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Michael Rivero’s Subterfuge
1-5-02 | Republican_Strategist

Posted on 01/04/2002 11:27:11 PM PST by Republican_Strategist

Michael Rivero Anti-American Propaganda Exposed




From ABC News web site: Picture from bin Laden tape.



Michael Rivero claims the bin Laden tape is a "government lie" - he posted this as the picture from the bin laden tape.



As you can see in the first picture is from the bin Laden tape and shows him. The second picture was a manipulation by Michael Rivero in order to further his propaganda.


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Propaganda- spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person.

Do you notice how Michael Rivero manipulated the background?

Do you notice how Michael Rivero manipulated the angle?

Do you notice how Michael Rivero manipulated the face?
1 posted on 01/04/2002 11:27:11 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Do you notice how much we care?
2 posted on 01/04/2002 11:29:27 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: this_ol_patriot
You remind me of the old guy that sits in the corner saying “who give a flying hoot”. Sorry you don’t care about that fool attacking Free Republic and his lying being exposed.
3 posted on 01/04/2002 11:32:53 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
I'm confused, could you post a link to his thread(s)?

Do you think both images could have appeared on the same tape? How would Rivero be able to rotate bin Laden's head? I'm confused...

4 posted on 01/04/2002 11:35:36 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Republican_Strategist
Rivero sounds like a sad, sick dude.
5 posted on 01/04/2002 11:40:49 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: Republican_Strategist
To what purpose do you feel the picture was altered?
6 posted on 01/04/2002 11:42:47 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Republican_Strategist
He has been nailed over and over and over and over and over again on FreeRepublic and on the Internet and on Usenet ad infinitum. The guy is King Troll of Troll Land and a nut to boot.
7 posted on 01/04/2002 11:47:35 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: xm177e2
Try this thread: Jim Robinson & FR accused of censorship

Link to Rivero's propaganda
8 posted on 01/04/2002 11:50:16 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: all
Don Morgan is back.
9 posted on 01/04/2002 11:55:39 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: PRND21
I don't think Rivero altered any of the pictures, he just used a more convenient one from a bad angle to "prove" his phony point.

He wanted to claim the Osama in the 3rd tape was not the real Osama, so he posted a picture from that tape, compared to pictures from three other tapes, to say they look different.

Republican Strategist has found a more appropriate picture from the very same tape, which came from the same angle as the other pictures, which proves Rivero is full of --it.

10 posted on 01/04/2002 11:55:49 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Republican_Strategist
Mike doesn't purposely lie nor does he fabricate pictures to substantiate lies. He provides a remarkable perspective designed to provoke you to think as opposed to sucking government dogma/propaganda allday for sustanence. But you could be one of those mind-numbed zombies that can't consider new information.
11 posted on 01/05/2002 12:00:33 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Republican_Strategist
Forget Morgan and his funny Ash Alerts. This isn't funny. "Pathetic" is more like it.

Whether or not MR is a fruit cake is beside the point. The point is that you are denigrating someone who is unable to be here to defend himself.

I've seen some tacky things on FR, but this one pretty much beats them all. Please tell me you're drunk and not really this pathetic.

12 posted on 01/05/2002 12:02:32 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Buckeroo
You have it backwards.


13 posted on 01/05/2002 12:05:15 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Nita Nupress
T - 3 and counting...
14 posted on 01/05/2002 12:07:38 AM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Republican_Strategist
What is your purpose? Mike is not the "conjurer" of conspiracy theories as you seem to say. He is asking for your capable and potentially expert opinion. Not just some drivel you licked for your dog's south end.
15 posted on 01/05/2002 12:07:49 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Senator Pardek
LOL! Shaddup!
16 posted on 01/05/2002 12:09:22 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Republican_Strategist
Rivero is outright deceiving people.

bin Laden video
17 posted on 01/05/2002 12:10:16 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Hey! You skipped reply #12. Answer the question: Have you been drinking or are you actually this pathetic?
18 posted on 01/05/2002 12:12:24 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Buckeroo
Well look: I provided a specific example of his manipulation of a picture to claim a bin Laden tape was false and you say “oh Mike is no conjurer”. You sound like some battered wife that refuses to look at the obvious beating she suffered.
19 posted on 01/05/2002 12:12:53 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Nita Nupress
Is this when I say, "Hi sweetcakes!"?
20 posted on 01/05/2002 12:13:09 AM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Nita Nupress
Well some stupid remarks shouldn’t be dignified with an answer so I’m skipping your baloney. Another one of Mikey’s battered victims. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem so come on and admit it.
21 posted on 01/05/2002 12:14:59 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: nunya bidness
Naw, I'm really Pardek. Nitz let me borrow her screen name so I'd have someone to talk to tonight. :)
22 posted on 01/05/2002 12:16:43 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
"The point is that you are denigrating someone who is unable to be here to defend himself."

True but being denegrated never has phased Rivero. It never has stopped him or made him question himself. It does not bother him. He goes on and on no matter what. And if there is anyone who denigrates people who cannot defend themselves it is Michael Rivero. He has no problem at all with smearing ANYONE. He has not the slightest bit of concern about who he might be wrongly defaming.

23 posted on 01/05/2002 12:18:01 AM PST by Theresa
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To: Republican_Strategist
As you know, I posted the following on another mindless Rivero-bashing thread. This wierd thread of yours merits its repetition:

I would like to say something which very much needs to be said.

As an old time FReeper, I regard Michael Rivero to be one of the most interesting posters to ever post to Free Republic. I always looked for his threads and valued them greatly as they always challenged me to think a bit harder and deeper about unfolding events, and to question the official truth. Consequently, I regard his banishment and the nuking of his collective contributions to Free Republic to be a tragic loss, not only to this forum, but to our nation -- a nation which needs more than ever to be challenged to question the official "truth" and THINK.

All of you who have joined the mob on this thread in mindlessly attacking Michael Rivero disgust me.

This thread is but another reminder of just how far a once great forum on the cutting-edge of the fight for freedom has fallen. Michael Rivero was a valuable asset in that fight. You of the mindless mob are nothing but liabilities.

24 posted on 01/05/2002 12:20:30 AM PST by Arator
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To: Theresa
Experts: Faking Tape Tough To Do- Even Most Advanced Tech Probably Couldn't,, They Say
25 posted on 01/05/2002 12:21:39 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
WHY?
26 posted on 01/05/2002 12:22:46 AM PST by Bullish
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To: Republican_Strategist
I need substantiated proof that Mike knowingly and intentionally fabricated false documents to create controversial opinion against anyone.

Mike doesn't operate that way. He operates far more objectively than you know.

27 posted on 01/05/2002 12:23:17 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Theresa
"The point is that you are denigrating someone who is unable to be here to defend himself."

True but...

I see. So you agree that it's perfectly okay to sit around and badmouth a person who can't defend himself. Thank you for clarifying your position. I'll file you under my Pathetic Tacky People list.

28 posted on 01/05/2002 12:24:03 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Buckeroo
Mike doesn't purposely lie nor does he fabricate pictures to substantiate lies. He provides a remarkable perspective designed to provoke you to think as opposed to sucking government dogma/propaganda allday for sustanence. But you could be one of those mind-numbed zombies that can't consider new information.

There is Koolaid for the drinking on both sides of this fence, I prefer spring water.

29 posted on 01/05/2002 12:24:35 AM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: Arator
Well Michael Rivero has become nothing more than a peddler of propaganda. I find you defense to shameless. Clearly my examining my thread you can see how he used a doctored picture and attributed it to the bin Laden tape. I posted an actual picture from the ABC web site. He is like Johnny Walker. Once an American and now a traitor. I haven’t a regret about him being banished. Your screwy logic would destroy this forum by letting it turn into a runaway train for every nut, liberal, etc. that wanted to hide behind the “guise” of making us think. He has his own web site, let him spew there. You miss him? Go visit him permanently at whatreallyhappened.com

I’m still interested in why some people are some sheepishly defending the rat. They defend him with the most absurd notions. Free Republic might as well start allowing Bartcop to post here. Give me a break with this remedial nonsense.
30 posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:03 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Experts: Faking Tape Tough To Do -

Sedaka: Breaking Up Is Hard To Do -

31 posted on 01/05/2002 12:27:09 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Buckeroo
I just provided clear proof. Open your eyes.
32 posted on 01/05/2002 12:27:21 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Free Republic might as well start allowing Bartcop to post here

Anybody ever figure out what 'Bartcop' stands for?

33 posted on 01/05/2002 12:28:13 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Nita Nupress
LOL
34 posted on 01/05/2002 12:29:09 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Republican_Strategist
You haven't provided any proof. You have merely substantiated a baseless opinion.
35 posted on 01/05/2002 12:30:12 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Republican_Strategist
To Arator: Your screwy logic would destroy this forum by letting it turn into a runaway train for every nut, liberal, etc.

Heh heh heh heh... OH, the stories I could tell right now.... :o)

But I'll be a mentlegen.....

36 posted on 01/05/2002 12:30:19 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Republican_Strategist
What is it that you feel that you have proven?
37 posted on 01/05/2002 12:30:36 AM PST by atafak
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To: Republican_Strategist
LOL! This can't even be considered worthy of sport. Seek help.

Ta, ta.

38 posted on 01/05/2002 12:30:46 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Republican_Strategist
Michael Rivero is famous for asserting something as fact with out researching if what he states is true, then using it leaping to the most illogic conclusions and sighting it as conclusive proof of some grand conspiracy

Some years ago he would have some good things but in the last couple years he seem to go off the deep end

I had a few go arounds with him myself; If a Mig 29 was shot in Yugoslavia, Stringer, TWA800, to name a few

39 posted on 01/05/2002 12:31:53 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: Arator
As an old time FReeper, I regard Michael Rivero to be one of the most interesting posters to ever post to Free Republic. I always looked for his threads and valued them greatly as they always challenged me to think a bit harder and deeper about unfolding events, and to question the official truth. Consequently, I regard his banishment and the nuking of his collective contributions to Free Republic to be a tragic loss, not only to this forum, but to our nation -- a nation which needs more than ever to be challenged to question the official "truth" and THINK.

You're the biggest **cking joke that's ever posted on this forum besides Rivero... It's not surprising you'd be up here tellin everyone what a great contribution he made to free republic.

40 posted on 01/05/2002 12:33:04 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Bullish
(CBS) Even with all the current digital wizardry, faking the videotape in which Osama bin Laden appears to take credit for the Sept. 11 attacks would be extremely difficult, experts said.

The biggest hurdle would be mimicking the cadence and rhythm of human speech. Synchronizing a doctored soundtrack with existing video would also be tough, and technology that can synthesize Arabic speech is still in its infancy.

Chi-Lin Shih, a language modeling scientist at Lucent Technologies' Bell Labs, described the process as akin to reassembling a broken vase by gluing together its shards. Close scrutiny would likely reveal the cracks.

Software tools allow for elements of a person's speech to be glued together to put words in their mouths, but such a doctored recording would not sound natural to an expert listener, said Kenneth Stevens, head of the speech research lab at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Some hardline Islamic militants in Pakistan and the Middle East suggested the tape was fabricated to provide a rationale for U.S. military actions in Afghanistan.

President Bush called the charge “preposterous.” Administration officials said they intentionally declined to try to enhance the video's sound or picture so as not to give detractors ammunition.

The videotape, which has been widely seen in the United States, was distributed Friday to Arabic media along with an Arabic transcript so “people who speak Arabic can watch it in the original language with the subtitles and the sound in Arabic,” said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher.

Emerging speech synthesis technology is giving computers the ability to mimic a human voice.

The creators of AT&T's Natural Voices software, for example, claim the program can mimic the speech of actors now dead, such as John Wayne. By allowing computers to analyze enough tapes of an actor's voice, the program could synthesize the voice, allowing it to make statements Wayne never said.

be done with bin Laden's voice since recordings of his speech are readily available, said Lynn Shepherd, a vice president of Fonix Corp., a speech synthesis software company in Salt Lake City.

“If they had a lot of recordings of bin Laden, they could create some speech that sounded pretty good,” Shepherd said Friday.

However, most software requires a dozen or more hours of high-quality studio recordings, where a speaker is asked to make all of a language's particular combinations of sounds.

“It takes engineers months to break down all these voice fragments so that I can reproduce the language,” said Bill DeStefanis, who heads speech technology for ScanSoft Inc. of Peabody, Mass.

“The idea that the U.S. government could have done this in the space of a month is highly improbable,” DeStefanis said. “With a short snippet, I might be able to fake you out, but not a long speech.”

On the tape, some of bin Laden's words are unintelligible. The tape's poor sound quality could theoretically be used to mask tampering, experts said. But beyond synthesizing a voice, doctored speech would have to be synchronized video - another difficult task usually easy to spot.

Digital synchronization of sound and images is a staple of Hollywood filmmaking. In the 2000 movie “Gladiator,” actor Oliver Reed died before shooting ended and the filmmakers pieced together several scenes using previously shot footage.

DeStefanis and others said, however, that fooling the trained eye is difficult. “The human eye and ear are very good at seeing out-of-synch lips,” he said.

Also, few if any of today's sophisticated speech synthesis engines have been programmed to generate bin Laden's native Arabic, Shepherd said.

“There are some low quality ones, but nothing that would be good enough,” Shepherd said.

As for reaction to the tape, among Americans and their allies, bin Laden's satisfied and knowing musings about the Sept. 11 attacks hardened attitudes already set in stone.

In the video shown to the world, bin Laden acknowledged his advance knowledge of the suicide hijackings and spoke about how the destruction had exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.

U.S. legal experts called the tape devastating, a "virtual confession," in the words of one.

However, newspapers in the Arab world Friday played down the bin Laden videotape. Most Friday papers were dominated by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In Friday prayer sermons, a traditional indicator of national sentiment in the Middle East, mosque preachers did not speak of the tape. Instead, they focused on religion — the day was the last Friday sabbath in the holy month of Ramadan.

The few Arab officials and analysts who commented on the tape accepted it as damning evidence that the Saudi-born Islamist dissident was behind the attacks which killed nearly 3,300 people.

President Bush, however, said anyone questioning the tape's authenticity is reaching for a feeble excuse to support him.

"I mean, this is bin Laden unedited," Mr. Bush said Friday. "It's preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored.

"That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man."

The president accused bin Laden of being so cold hearted that he laughed at those he sent to die, reports CBS News White House Correspondent Bill Plante, and he scorned bin Laden as a coward in hiding.

"We're chasing a person obviously who is willing to send suicide bombers, on the one hand, and hide in a cave," he said. "Somebody who...encourages young people to go kill themselves, and he, himself, refuses to stand and fight."
41 posted on 01/05/2002 12:35:05 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Nita Nupress
Your adolescence is rather boorish.
42 posted on 01/05/2002 12:36:40 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: VinnyTex
But Rivero DID post some great threads designed to make you think. What is wrong with that? Aren't you free; don't you have the capability to authoritatively argue? Do you need government "official" information all the time for your support system? Or the hand-me-down liberal media from the same government source?

Give the guy a break, will ya?

43 posted on 01/05/2002 12:39:16 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Nita Nupress
Let me get this straight. You're up here defending the hairdresser Michael Rivero who sees a conspiracy in his own shadow...

Yes-er-ie Bob. You're a real piece of work.

44 posted on 01/05/2002 12:39:25 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Buckeroo
I provided the photo from the actual video and placed right along side Rivero’s photo he claimed was from the video that proved it to be false. Again I say open your eyes. Next you’ll tell me the Holocaust was a Jewish Conspiracy and Auschwitz was a damn resort and spa.
45 posted on 01/05/2002 12:39:33 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Buckeroo
Rivero is a mental case. Rubber room material...
46 posted on 01/05/2002 12:40:15 AM PST by VinnyTex
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To: Buckeroo
Oh no…see we have Fox News: the fair & balanced network. I don’t need Rivero’s Taliban information. For example his web site depicts America’s enemy and features pictures released by the Taliban very early on showing what appears to be children that have no injuries wrapped in bandages. Its shameless propaganda. He is another Noam Chomsky.
47 posted on 01/05/2002 12:43:23 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: VinnyTex
What make's you perfect, pal? Just because you worship Rush Limbaugh? Hmmmm ....
48 posted on 01/05/2002 12:44:18 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: Republican_Strategist
Since when is Michael Rivero attacking FR? I haven't seen him around much lately.
49 posted on 01/05/2002 12:45:26 AM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose, Buckeroo
Who is Michael Rivero? Better yet, who cares?
50 posted on 01/05/2002 12:46:50 AM PST by onyx
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