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Questions Lurk in a Dead Village
LA Times ^ | January 8, 2002 | By ALISSA J. RUBIN, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 01/08/2002 2:35:39 AM PST by News

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

QALAYE NIAZI, Afghanistan -- No one can be found to tell this story firsthand. There is disagreement from those who live nearby about the details of the bombing.

But what is clear is that where a small village once stood in the arid plains of east-central Afghanistan, there is little left but torn clothing, piles of brick, pieces of human flesh and hair, and a substantial stockpile of small-arms ammunition.


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Well ... this is the best example of the US state controlled media... (Stalin is green with envy)...

The US become the victim (prey) in Afganistan!!! :

...... the U.S. military may have unwittingly become prey to misinformation from local tribal chiefs and their cohorts.... ....., just settling old scores and revenge..... ......There are so many people who have satellite phones...these satellite phones appear(?) to have been distributed rather indiscriminately....

So it looks like while the USA just quietly minding its own business ( i.e. rearranging rocks in Afganistan using special explosives and laser technology)when those evil tribal leaders abused the good heart and naivity of the CIA and the US military intelligence and using the satellite phones ordering a bombing raid on their neighbours...

Is not that hearbreaking ?

It is so unfair... While the US people working so hard to be able to support their humanitarian rock re-arranging missions over the world, some people are just abusing the system. It is almost as bad when children calling the fire brigade when there is no fire and then just laugh around the corner.

And the sad thing that this is an epidemic... Already happend a week before. An other bogus phonecall resulted 60 Afghan elders got killed on the way to see the new president. The intelligent intelligence insist that they are sure that it was Taliban ... or ... Al Qaeda ... or the seven dwarf .... or .... anyway some bad guys from a cave or mine.... You know these satellite phones not always very clear.

Maybe some security procedures should be introduced, like when someone calls the bombing hotline to bomb their neighbour, they sould ask 'are you sure?' or something like that....

It could save many expensive taxpayer-financed bombs and all the troubles of take off the heavy B52-s, pushing butons on the latest high tech game-boy, washing hands after and so on...

1 posted on 01/08/2002 2:35:39 AM PST by News
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To: News
There weren't two incidents, Qalaye Niazi IS the same village as reported damaged earlier, with casualty reports ranging from 34 to 52 (UN estimate), to even a ridiculous claims of 'hundreds' claimed in some obscure Paki paper... not bad for a town the size of a rest stop.

The original Reuters report spoke of a cameraman, who was evidently out of film since he failed to take photos of what the Reuters reporter had described.

2 posted on 01/08/2002 3:06:50 AM PST by piasa
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To: News
Look up in the sky, Ahole. Looks like they figured out you're with Al Qaeda.
3 posted on 01/08/2002 3:15:49 AM PST by metesky
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To: News
"Well ... this is the best example of the US state controlled media... (Stalin is green with envy)..."

The bitterness of your blame-America-first comments betray your own "envy" of something. Power?

To start your post by comparing a sympathetic sentence in a mildly sympathetic article during war time to Stalin's state controlled media is the epitome of stupidity. I wonder how many hours you spent preparing for this big moment. {smile}

Have a good life…

4 posted on 01/08/2002 3:25:58 AM PST by elfman2
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To: piasa
It WAS two attacks... Before Christmas the convoy of the 60 Afghan elders to go to the inaguration of the new president were trapped by some old enemy.

The latest in 29 Dec clearly different.

Of course on CNN everything is blurred a bit, not blaming you in a country where the 'free press' means that you do not have to pay for it. Free of charge straight from the Pentagon briefing room, and as a bonus Holiwood doung the coloring. Also free.

It is officially marked 'perverse' to even mention civilian casualties in Afghanistan. It had been announced on the CNN. On request I send the link.

METESKY

You are one of those bright bushist... Who is not with us then he is against us...

In this case you have to count on about 5 billion al Qaeda supporters... In my estimate that many people disagrees with killing civilians in any war by military personnel no matter how dumb excuses they might come up with.

I wonder what the 'Ahole' might means ... Is that something to do with the final part of the human digestive system ? Having problem spelling it ?

5 posted on 01/08/2002 3:39:37 AM PST by News
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To: elfman2
So you do some freetime psycoanalisis ?

Power...... Not 'envy' I have... That is 'fear'...

Blame-America-first.... You right ... I have drawn conclusion too soon without having a wider view of the events ... maybe those evil eskimos dropped the bombs... they were always suspicous with those slanted eyes.

Here is and age old story for you to analise...

The fox running like hell out of the forest. The bear stops him and ask why is the hurry...

The fox saying that the hunters are coming and they shot everybody who have 5 legs !!

But you have only 4 legs, do not worry ! saying the bear.

I know... say the fox... but they shot first and count after..

Tell this story in QALAYE NIAZI and ask them if they find it funny ?

6 posted on 01/08/2002 3:53:59 AM PST by News
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" they were always suspicous with those slanted eyes. "

So you're a racist too. Figures!

PS. Better run your future comments by some who can spell and conjugate,… and think.

7 posted on 01/08/2002 4:07:47 AM PST by elfman2
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To: elfman2
Now you figured out that I am in the secret religion of the 'Streaten the slanted eyes mission', I can now confess to you, that English is not my native lanuage, and I do work really hard to spell and conjugate 'Ahole', f***ing, and these as good as many of the people who posting on these pages.

But I am always open for constructive criticism....

I guess apart of some minor semantic and sitax problem you largely agree with my previous comment ?

8 posted on 01/08/2002 4:20:03 AM PST by News
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What do you suppose "...a substantial stockpile of small-arms ammunition" was doing in this village?
9 posted on 01/08/2002 4:27:10 AM PST by Destructor
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To: News
It could save many expensive taxpayer-financed bombs and all the troubles of take off the heavy B52-s, pushing butons on the latest high tech game-boy, washing hands after and so on...

Get lost.

10 posted on 01/08/2002 4:38:58 AM PST by dighton
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To: News
"But I am always open for constructive criticism. I guess apart of some minor semantic and sitax problem you largely agree with my previous comment ?"

That's about as honest of a statement as half of what you've said here.

You're just here to release a little anger stemming from as much a personal problem as a political problem. Your state of mind is miles away from a place where honest discussion is possible, and you know it. You know better than to charge into a room like a wild dog and then ask of anyone wants to dance.

I don’t debate with barking dogs.

11 posted on 01/08/2002 4:42:53 AM PST by elfman2
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To: Destructor
If you take the trouble to read the full article in the LA Times - or for that matter other state-allowed news bits - you would find it out that the arms and munitions were left behind the retreating Taliban. They just put it in some unfinished building before they disappeared.

At any account... would that justify sloughtering a complete vilage ?

I also wonder how the 'freerepers' thinking about the Serbs harsh cracking down on the KLA terrorists in the new light of the 'War on terrorism'...

12 posted on 01/08/2002 5:05:57 AM PST by News
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To: News
I just love this tidbit, it should have read, "Strewn about were what appeared to be the remains of simple lives. Pink, yellow, and blue dresses elaborately embroidered with flowers and leaves, and a substantial sockpile of small- arms ammuntion."

Send this lameo to tend camels in Afghanistan. If the women were "much better dressed than anywhere else in Afghanistan", then it's pretty clear they could be considered the elite Taliban of the area who were accustomed to much better than the peons whose necks they used for boot scrapes. Do these Liberal anti-American rags think this is the 70's where people never read between the lines?

13 posted on 01/08/2002 5:07:17 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: elfman2
Well well well....

So you rather drag the discussion to my sate of my mind, where you feel more confindent as an amateur psychoanalist, than get in the risky business of discussing why do the Americans finace the killing of civilians in Afghanistan...

I have seen smarter ways to avoid discussions - responsibilities...

You avoid barking dogs too... 10.000 feet high in the sky... I can not blame you... lap-dogs are better trained and bringing your slippers and go to the corner when they told so....

14 posted on 01/08/2002 5:18:04 AM PST by News
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To: MissAmericanPie
So you think that having a wedding dress should carry a death penalty ?

I do love that American free ways of thinking !!!! (carefully engineered by the Penta-gram-gon or whatever)

15 posted on 01/08/2002 5:23:30 AM PST by News
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To: MissAmericanPie
"Strewn about were what appeared to be the remains of simple lives. Pink, yellow, and blue dresses elaborately embroidered with flowers and leaves, and a substantial sockpile of small- arms ammuntion."

Sounds like the Al-quiada had the inflatable babes stashed in the ammo shed.

Hey 'News' -- It's a good thing they left out the part about the camel and your sister . .

16 posted on 01/08/2002 5:25:26 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: News
Let's see: we've dropped how many HUNDREDS of TONS of bombs since we started and how many dozens or less of innocents have mistakenly been killed?!!? We have what is likely to be the best war time record of non-combatant deaths in history, but that's not good enough for America-haters like you, is it?
17 posted on 01/08/2002 5:37:53 AM PST by SW6906
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To: Crowcreek
Hey Crow....

I always had the feeling that the camel what you guys really after... Decadent feminists who demands orgazm and having constant PMS... Must be a hell over there... I can understand you... But next time if you ask nicely you can have the whole camel for $5. No need a $2 million rocket to get its back bit as your appointed/inherited president mentioned before the war.

18 posted on 01/08/2002 5:41:44 AM PST by News
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To: News
Your original piece and replies give your nationality away. Try learning proper english sentence structure before spewing your anti-American propaganda.

God Bless America

19 posted on 01/08/2002 5:49:40 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: News
No where does it say these were wedding dresses, the women may have worn their best to attend a wedding but I suspect if their clothes were that much better than other Afghan women's, as the article states, that they were the semi-elite Taliban or Al Quada.

That is the thing about grinding other people under your boots, where's the fun if there are not more perks like better clothes for the little woman. If you think for a split second when given the choice of whom to believe, some simpering liberal twit, or our military who say they "know" these were the enemy, that I am going to believe a liberal twit, then I wonder what your purpose is on a conservative site? Your sure not going to influence my opinion given that the lie score is soundly in the anti-America column. Our State Department has yet to be found lying, the other's have yet to be found telling the truth, I doubt that is news to you though.

20 posted on 01/08/2002 5:53:42 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Come on guys, picking apart his English, conjugation, punctuation and syntax just makes us look bad. Take on his argument, not him personally.
21 posted on 01/08/2002 5:54:36 AM PST by SW6906
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To: SW6906
how many dozens or less of innocents have mistakenly been killed?!!?

You watch CNN, right ?

Even the Wahington Post would open you eyes:

The chairman of CNN has ordered his staff to balance images of civilian devastation in Afghan cities with reminders that the Taliban harbors murderous terrorists, saying it "seems perverse to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14435-2001Oct30.html

By 6 th of December about 3700 civilians were killed by US bombs... http://cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

And not counting those who dying of cold and hunger by the 100 a day because noone looking after the refugee camps and it aleady were bad harvest last year and as usual the US killed the whole infrastructure there is no clean water, transport not to mention medicines...

And the Pentagon did not even made an attempt to count its victims, every other claims just get dismissed with the 'can not independently confirm' mantra

22 posted on 01/08/2002 5:59:48 AM PST by News
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To: SW6906
Thanks for protecting me from those linguists...

Oh.... Chomsky... where are you !!!

23 posted on 01/08/2002 6:03:09 AM PST by News
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To: JustAnAmerican
So what is my nationality ?

I know that one need to pass a simple exam of English to get an USA citizenship - together with some geneticly glorified history and some part of the Bill of Rights ( freedom of speech rings a bell?)- But I seen no any exam test to qualify to posting on 'freerep'. Or are the facts what I writing here is become uncomfortable ?

24 posted on 01/08/2002 6:14:35 AM PST by News
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To: News
I don't have time to go to your site right now, but what I do know is that just about every single report of massive casualties was subsequently debunked as propaganda. Considering how many HUNDREDS of TONS of bombs we have dropped over there, even the (likely false) number of 3700 innocent casualties is incredibly, unbelievebly luckily low. Besides, if there were thousands upon thousands of innocents being killed over there, don't you think our liberal media (that hate Bush) would be all over it? They have tried and tried and just about every report of civilian casualties turns up false.

Didn't we start dropping humanitarian aid before we started dropping bombs? Haven't we dropped HUNDREDS of TONS of humanitarian aid over the last three months? Yes, we have. Right now, hundreds, if not thousands of our troops are busy working over there with the refugees. American citizens have sent MILLIONS of dollars in aid (I myself contributed some) to the refugee situation in Afghanistan. I have read reports that it is not nearly as bleak as you paint it and is that way BECAUSE of the efforts of AMERICANS!

25 posted on 01/08/2002 6:29:18 AM PST by SW6906
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"Come on guys, picking apart his English, conjugation, punctuation and syntax just makes us look bad. Take on his argument, not him personally."

Come on. You don't really expect people to have a serious debate with that barking dog do you? He's only worth tossing a stick or two at in order to laugh at his "brave" little yapping, anonymously behind a fence.

Surely you recognize when a person's beyond rational discourse. Some of his comments can't be arrived at by honest mistakes in reasoning. Do you know of the concept of "inherently dishonest" ideas?

His obvious personal problems overshadow anything worthwhile he might have had to say. Seriously addressing something credible buried in his mad rant is impossible in these circumstances. It's like painting with watercolors in the rain, or negotiating peace when one side refuses to stop fighting.

26 posted on 01/08/2002 6:34:05 AM PST by elfman2
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To: MissAmericanPie
If you reed the article you find out that it was a wedding a night before the bombs killed the whole vilage... So the casualties are high because the guests come from many places.

I thought that it were the communists who wanted to kill all the rich people... Or I was asleep when the USA declared the proletar dictature ?

27 posted on 01/08/2002 6:37:58 AM PST by News
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By 6 th of December about 3700 civilians were killed by US bombs...

Hmmmm, yes but in one month of Afghan against Afghan fighting over 50,000 civilians were killed.

28 posted on 01/08/2002 7:13:24 AM PST by McGavin999
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Who is not with us then he is against us...

Correct, Mr. Hole.

In this case you have to count on about 5 billion al Qaeda supporters...

You can't count very well either, but just for sake of argument... We can kill 'em all, but I don't think our bloodthirsty Marines can eat that many at one sitting.

29 posted on 01/08/2002 8:31:14 AM PST by metesky
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Gad, who were the ruling elite in Afghanistan at that time? Hint, the guys in charge that we want to kill perhaps?
30 posted on 01/08/2002 8:31:21 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: McGavin999
Hmmmm, yes but in one month of Afghan against Afghan fighting over 50,000 civilians were killed.

With US weapons, training and finance... They left the country saturated with guns... Since you mention...

US pumped money and arms to Aghanistan for a decade to crash the Soviets without the slightest concern of the Afghan people. Once they did the job they were disposed by the US just like a plastc razorblade...

With US help the legit government had been replaced with drugtrafficing criminals who wrecked havoc to the country for years, they were so bad that the Afghans found that even the Taliban were better than them.

Now the US putting back the same guys to the neck of the Afghans... Remember: the Taliban banned the opium growing, the Northern Alliance, the latest friends of the US already started to get bookings for the next year harvest...

Not to worry anyway, by the end of the winter the 50.000 dead will be surpassed - thanks for the US help. Technology can do great things.

31 posted on 01/08/2002 8:59:18 AM PST by News
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To: metesky
If only your marines were bloodthursty....

But 90% of the Americans were screaming for REVENGE.

Then Bush appointed a Jemeni born Saudi as Enemy No1 and Started to bomb Afghanistan to keep the public happy...

Does not metter who's blood as long it can flows in rivers thousands of miles away... Then the public will be happier for Christmas...

32 posted on 01/08/2002 9:05:35 AM PST by News
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You avoid barking dogs too... 10.000 feet high in the sky

Hmmmm. Interesting that you use a period as a radix in the number. You've badly misspelled some pretty basic words, too.

Where are you from?

33 posted on 01/08/2002 9:15:18 AM PST by r9etb
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To: News
BUMP
34 posted on 01/08/2002 9:16:39 AM PST by Aurelius
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To: r9etb
Well... Maybe in the US it looks heretic, unorthodox, politically incorrect and weird to use the period/dot/fullstop/decimal-point as digit groupping symbol and carries immediate death sentence, but in the rest of the world there is a relative freedom of usage allowed of the punctuation marks. You can also check yourself if you have the curage and get into your Control Panel and Regional Settings...

Oooops... Now you will find that there are countries with different date-formats.... God save them from bombing now!!Because the CIA will think they trying to encript something, therefore they are all terrorists...

Where am I from ? ... I was born and grown up in Hungary. Something made me think that there is life on the other side of the iron curtain. So I took a look... Travelled a lot all over Europe, many times in the US, spend some time in Germany, Holland, over 10 years in Great Britain, and now I live in France.(hence my never perfect English quickly deteroriated)

I do belive that the 'bill of rights' is a great thing, but it is a shame that is banned in America.

I was under the impression that this is a 'political' dicussion forum, but despite all of my efforts people more intersting in the sate of my mind, international punctuation settings and my ethnic origins than politics. Or it is politically incorrect asking about the victims of US bombings in Afghanistan ?

35 posted on 01/08/2002 1:17:46 PM PST by News
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To: SW6906
number of 3700 innocent casualties is incredibly, unbelievebly luckily low... in Afghanistan...

I would suspect that in the light that the WTC could house about 80.000 people when it is full, you were dancing out of joy because the number of 3000 innocent casualties is incredibly, unbelievebly luckily low compared to what it could had been...

Have you ever tryed to go public with this view ?

36 posted on 01/08/2002 2:16:59 PM PST by News
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To: News
You might try really understanding history before you try to re-write it. Today the UN stated that the humanitarian catrastrophy has been averted and that food is getting in far better then they ever hoped. As to the weapons in Afghanistan, those weren't just US weapons you know. Of course you know, but that won't deter you, to people like you it's always America's fault.

Had we stayed and tried to establish a stable government, you'd be the first to call us "Imperialists" wouldn't you?

Hey News, how do you explain all those happy faces in Afghanistan?

37 posted on 01/08/2002 5:16:14 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
"The innocent dead in a coward's war "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,622000,00.html

If you have the curage read this. The Guardian is a mainstream British newspaper, quite conservative one. Your allies... You can imagine the rest of Europe... Shall I not mention the Asian press ? If you keep on insist to only see the Censored News Network, then do not get suprised that

If you want to open your eyes get on the cursor.com, where is a selecion of maistream American and European media what slipped through the censorship.

There you find the faces are not so happy.

38 posted on 01/08/2002 11:02:01 PM PST by News
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To: News

Where am I from ? ... I was born and grown up in Hungary.

Orolok rola. Eljen a szabadsag! Lo fasz a haboru-imadok segekbe!

39 posted on 01/09/2002 6:07:12 AM PST by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
Hat mindenutt ott vagyunk...

You are a second generation Hungarian? Maybe with parents of 1956 refugees ?

40 posted on 01/09/2002 11:57:58 AM PST by News
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To: News; aculeus; Orual; dead; Pokey78
The Guardian is a mainstream British newspaper, quite [a] conservative one.

Laugh of the day.

41 posted on 01/09/2002 12:02:38 PM PST by dighton
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To: News

You are a second generation Hungarian?

Pretty obvious I am not native, isn't it? Nem konnyu megtanulni a nyelv. Actually, I spent most of the 1990s living there. An exile from Clinton's Amerika. Not much to come back to, though.

Sorry for the crudeness of my original comment. Grandfather taught me that colorful phrase.

udv.,

42 posted on 01/09/2002 12:36:07 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: dighton ; News
Quote of the day:

Get lost.

43 posted on 01/09/2002 12:50:03 PM PST by aculeus
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To: News; dighton; aculeus
In my estimate that many people disagrees with killing civilians in any war by military personnel no matter how dumb excuses they might come up with.

In my estimate many people disagrees with maniac terrorist killing thousands of civilians working in Twin Towers in New York and in Pentagon, and flying in plane over Washington, no matter how dumb excuses they may come up with.

44 posted on 01/09/2002 12:54:32 PM PST by Orual
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To: News; dighton; aculeus
In my estimate that many people disagrees with killing civilians in any war by military personnel no matter how dumb excuses they might come up with.

In my estimate many people disagrees with maniac terrorist killing thousands of civilians working in Twin Towers in New York and in Pentagon, and flying in plane over Pennsylvania, no matter how dumb excuses they may come up with.

45 posted on 01/09/2002 12:56:18 PM PST by Orual
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To: dighton; aculeus
In my estimate slowness of site and not ability to stop post cause duo of posts and mistakings.
46 posted on 01/09/2002 1:00:26 PM PST by Orual
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To: Orual
If you think that the best way to stop people flying into tall buildings and military offices in the USA is to kill civilians two continents away then the rest of the world should get worried.

Be completly honest with yourself... Now the US army destroyed a complete country of some 26 million people, killed thousands of its civilians, made impossible the aid packages to get to other 7 millions, the leaders of the terrorists are disappeared, destabilised Pakistan, pushed into a nuclear war with India... and so on ....

DO YOU FEEL SAFER ?

47 posted on 01/13/2002 3:33:41 AM PST by News
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To: News
Even the civilians in a nation are responsible for the governments they elect and/or tolerate (including the good ol' USA).
48 posted on 01/13/2002 3:39:31 AM PST by The Duke
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To: News
DO YOU FEEL SAFER?

Yes.

49 posted on 01/13/2002 5:19:56 AM PST by Orual
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To: Orual
Your safety starting to cost the rest of the world too much... An American gubship in every corner, restricted travel around the world, paranoid Americans killing anything what moves before they look what is that, breaching all concievable agreements, conventions regarding conducting a war/peace and so on... How big lebensraum you actually need ?
50 posted on 01/16/2002 1:26:23 PM PST by News
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