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What, Exactly, are the Great Achievements of the Islamic World?
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Posted on 01/11/2002 8:52:14 AM PST by ml/nj

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To: GEC
Without Islam, we would not even know half of the Greeks we know today. After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

you're WRONG. The Byzantines kept that knowledge alive
201 posted on 08/29/2004 6:25:25 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

"It is our duty to show them now, how to melt it."

Good one!


202 posted on 12/06/2004 11:05:44 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Cronos

islam has contributed NOTHING but murder, terror, death, slavery, rape, pillage, destruction and perversion for centuries. it is a destroyer of cultures more peaceful than itself. Weighed, measured and now condemned planet wide.

the MYTH of an islamic golden age... would be better nomenclatured with the term 'anti-cultural golden shower', somwhat like they have in San Fran Gay joints, only the medium of perversion is the innocent blood of infidels and their children... aka Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and other muslims who were not 'muslim enough.'

Islam actually has NO redeeming qualities or history... and is currently headed for the historical shredder and conversion to smoking ash... along with it's foster children, nazism, fascism and communism.
the fact that colleges and universities are preaching islamic bullcrap will not alter the inevitable train of events that has been set to motion.

bye bye islam...
the joy of seeing the dhimmis and enslaved masses revolt and burn Islam's demonic ideology in the fires of advancing civilization, warms the cockles of our hearts. It is long overdue. Humanity needs to move on, past the stupidity of blood/murder cults.

we learned all we need know of islam, on 9/11.
Our lesson is over.
and tis time for smackdown... aka... the NEW Crusades, part deux.

No amount of calls for multiculturalistic 'tolerance' is going to stop what is on the way. They started it, but we will finish it.


With any luck, our great great grandchildren will not even know what a muslim was, hopefully. Just like MOST of them have no real concept of what a jew killing Nazi is today.


203 posted on 12/06/2004 3:35:04 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (real republicans WIN.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
No amount of calls for multiculturalistic 'tolerance' is going to stop what is on the way. They started it, but we will finish it.

err.. I agree with you about no tolerance forNaziism orIslam, but anti-multiculturalism? Are you against the Hindus. Buddhists, Eastern Orthodox, etc. cultures too? I don't think so
204 posted on 12/06/2004 10:16:00 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Tallguy
It could be that the Islamic world today is living in the equivalent of the "Dark Ages" that the Christian World" lived through from the Fall of Rome to (roughly) 1200 AD.

There's a lot to be said for that. This is the year 1425 in the Muslim calendar. What was Christianity like in the year 1425? It wasn't pretty.

205 posted on 12/06/2004 10:39:31 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ml/nj
If Mohammed died in Medina how is it that the Al Aqsa Mosque, built to cover the spot where his soul ascended into heaven, is in Jerusalem?

Is it that the Al Aqsa Mosque is a sham built only to take away the holiest site of the Jews, Solomon's Temple using a phoney story?

You don't have to answer that.

206 posted on 12/06/2004 10:50:28 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: danmar
but try MCMLXXXXIX for 1999.

...try, MCMXCIX for 1999...:)

Or MIM.

207 posted on 12/06/2004 10:56:31 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cronos
Are you against the Hindus.[?]

I'm against the Hindu caste system. It is based on reincarnation and the cycle of rebirth. It says that your status in life is based on what you did in your previous life. If you see a beggar on the street who is filthy, hungry, and covered in disease it is only because he was an evil man in his previous life and is therefore not deserving of sympathy. You should probably go kick him instead of offering him assistance for he deserves it. Likewise for a rich man living in luxury. He has that status only because he was a man of great deeds and good will in his previous life. So you should bow to him and do as he says to reward his previous life.

That is an evil and abhorrent mindset. I can't accept it. I prefer Christian charity to the downtrodden and its dislike of ill-gotten wealth. You can be forgiven and take you place in heaven. Everyone is welcome.

208 posted on 12/06/2004 11:04:31 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Cronos

the hindus and buddhista are not the ones I have heard for the last three decades hollering about 'tolerance' in the usa.. or a need for diversity.

the groups who holler about it all the time, do so because THEIR beliefs are the ones that are the most intrusive, violent and affecting on others. they run contrary to the interests of a secular society.

it is interesting that the cultures and religions that are tolerant, sekdom demand it with a rusty blade to some foreign aid worker's throat.... but the ones that are INTOLERANT and violent, SCREAM bloody murder whenever you arrest them BEFORE they blow up a congress building full of hindus...

they want us to tolerate their murder of others, as their highest sacrement next to suicide, in direct disproportion to the way they tolerate our primary sacraments in other religions, like communion, baptism or meditation.

to muzzies multiculturalism apparently means submit to US or die.
to me the original concept of multiculturalism was live and let live. sounds like your definition too... guess what, the common meaning of that compound word has changed significantly.

what is being sold today AS multicultural tolerance and appreciation, is NOT what YOU or I would mean. THEY have redefined that term in almost every university save a few religious ones... to mean crush peaceful christianity here at home, while promoting EVERYTHING but judeo-chrstian values both here and abroad.

The multicultural currcula at most universities is fit for warming the house, via the fireplace, not much else.


209 posted on 12/06/2004 11:07:09 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (real republicans WIN.)
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To: FreedomCalls; Robert_Paulson2
That is an evil and abhorrent mindset. I can't accept it. I prefer Christian charity to the downtrodden and its dislike of ill-gotten wealth. You can be forgiven and take you place in heaven. Everyone is welcome.

I agree with you -- my point was -- we can tell them we don't accept it and that it won't be allowed in our lands -- and they would accept it and they DO accept that. Compare them to the Mooselimbs....

A live and let live philosophy works with the Hindus, Buddhists etc. but NOT with mooselimbs.

and you didn't answer my point about multi-culturism --> I'd consider Eastern Orthodox nations to be of a different culture -- not better or worse, just different. Ditto for the Japanese.

smatterofact, I'd not use the monolithic term 'western Kultur', more like Italian, English, Norwegian etc.
210 posted on 12/07/2004 2:55:58 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
to me the original concept of multiculturalism was live and let live. sounds like your definition too... guess what, the common meaning of that compound word has changed significantly.

We agree then --> muzzies should be kicked OUT.
211 posted on 12/07/2004 2:56:54 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: ml/nj

It may not be a reason to bomb them to kingdom come, but it very much is a reason why emigration policies should be guided by the fact that they have so little to contribute, and the risks attendent in their immigration outweight the potential benefits.

With all that money, why not ONE major institution of research or higher learning?

With all that time, why not ONE US based program that looks critically at the Quran like hundreds of institutions around the world have examined the Bible?

The only country in the world named after a family is Saudi Arabia. It’s named after a family, the house of Saud.

A MAJOR ingredient of national agression is bad nationalism, and bad nationalism requires a ton of ignorance, and Islam cultivates ignorance. It isn’t just that they avoid it like you avoid lima beans.

They discourage it. It’s part of the plan. Ignorance is the only real necessary ingredient of autocracy. Without it, you generally can’t pull it off.

It’s certainly a major component of National Liberalism here in the United States.

It’s time to give all of this gauzy leftism a name, and the name is National Liberalism. It has its religious component (Atheism/Gaiaism hybrid), and the other well known economic, military, and historical components. At its base, however, is the purposeful obfuscation of science and logic.

All autocracies depend on it.


215 posted on 11/06/2007 8:54:01 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Non-Sequitur; LucyT; SunkenCiv

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

Excerpt:

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.

http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm

What Arab Civilization?
This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001.


November 7, 2001

Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

Dear Madame Fiorina:

It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled “Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What’s Next” [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this — primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye’Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.

You state, “its architects designed buildings that defied gravity.” I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, “its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption.” The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer).

You state, “its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease.” The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq’s textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle’s theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, “Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.” This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized — so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, “its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.” There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac; see here.)

You state, “when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.” This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: “The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O’Leary’s book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O’Leary’s book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer.” I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called “Golden Age of Islam” came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, “and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.” In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist “Young Turk” government. This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the “foreign” culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab “accomplishments” you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word ‘Arab’ is an Assyrian word, meaning “Westerner” (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the “ma’rabayeh” — Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information enlightening.

Thank you for your consideration.

Peter BetBasoo

Web resources:

Brief History of Assyrians
Assyrian International News Agency
Assyrian American National Federation
Assyrian Academic Society
Zinda Magazine
Beth Suryoyo
Nineveh Online
World Maronite Union
Maronite Research Council
World Lebanese Organization
Coptic Web


216 posted on 09/10/2009 6:35:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks; Non-Sequitur
Low I.Q. savages; barbarians, scum of the earth.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas.

Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed..."

'Buddha statues destroyed completely'

March 13, 2001

ISLAMABAD: The destruction of the two massive Buddha statues in Bamiyan was completed on Thursday and Friday with dynamite, an official source in Islamabad confirmed on Monday.

"The plan of demolition by dynamite, established in advance, was implemented on the 8th and 9th (of March)," said the source, who asked not to be named. "There is nothing except a few pieces of the Buddhas, left clinging to the cliff," he said.

"This crime against culture was committed while all the world's voices were raised to prevent it. The Taliban paid no attention to the unprecedented international protests, nor of the conflicting views expressed by the highest religious authorities of Islam," Matsuura said.

,p>

Destroyed: The tallest Buddha figure in the world,
55m;180 ft; created in the 3rd century A.D.

http://www.photogrammetry.ethz.ch/research/bamiyan/buddha/statue.html

217 posted on 09/10/2009 7:29:48 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...

Ping to #217.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/606323/posts?page=217#217


218 posted on 09/10/2009 7:31:36 PM PDT by LucyT
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Oops, ignore the ,p>.


219 posted on 09/10/2009 7:33:09 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: All
Muslim's 'achievments': Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic "On this occasion, we celebrate the holy month of Ramadan and we also celebrate how much Muslims have enriched America and its culture in ways both large and small." Barack Hussein Obama.
220 posted on 09/10/2009 7:52:36 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: All

Barack Hussein Obama has banned the National Day of Prayer from the White House, now get a load of THIS!!
ISLAM ON CAPITOL HILL 2009 - islamoncapitolhill.com
http://islamoncapitolhill.com/Home_Page.html

Alarming! Infuriating!!
Does THIS leave any doubt as to what we have sitting in the White House?
Be sure to read every page!
Every page ends with ‘OUR TIME HAS COME’!!

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221 posted on 09/10/2009 7:53:30 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: All

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Let us NEVER forget those nearly 3,000 innocent Americans who were murdered by the Islamists.
Don’t let Obama desecrate the memory of those Americans who were murdered by his fellow Muslims. Send this video to everyone you know.
Every American should view this video made by a New Yorker who lived through the attack:

http://attacked911.tripod.com/

This video has been viewed by untold millions and is now in the Smithsonian.
(Sadly, the New Yorker who made this video has since succumbed to lung damage sustained during the attack)

The video includes the planes crashing into the buildings and victims jumping. There are pictures of many of those who lost their lives, and president Bush’s aftermath speech set to the haunting background music, ‘Only Time’ by Enya. It is truly awesome.
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222 posted on 09/10/2009 7:54:07 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Virginia-American
After the Romans fell, no one in Europe gave a damn about the Greeks, but Islam kept the knowledge alive.

Ah -- ever heard of a thing called THE LIBRARY of ALEXANDRIA which was the repository of ancient knowledge collected by the Greeks and burnt to the ground by those following Islam?

I still haven't forgiven them for that.

223 posted on 09/10/2009 7:57:38 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: LucyT

Firstly the parasitic arabs plagiarized from the cultures they over-ran, then, in their attempt to conceal what they had done, they tried to destroy the witnesses. Muslims know while ‘the people of the book’ survive, islam faces the danger their ‘prophet’ will be exposed.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_01_Would_You_Believe.Islam

By the time you have completed this review, you will know much more about Muhammad and fundamental Islam than most Muslims. And you will understand him and his doctrine better than most scholars and clerics. You will see Muhammad as he saw himself. His motives and agenda will be as transparent as his methods and means. Islam will no longer be a mystery. The only conundrum that will remain is why anyone believed this “prophet.”

Muhammad and his deity created very little original material. Team Islam was into plagiarism. Most of the Qur’an was lifted from the Torah and Talmud. (Apparently God ran out of good material when he finished the Bible.) Muhammad aside, there are only four non-Biblical characters in the Qur’an. Two represent mythical leaders of mythical lands. The third was Muhammad’s biggest critic, his uncle Abu. The fourth was Alexander the Great - a Muslim prophet, according to Allah.

While all the other names are the same - Adam, Noah, Satan, Gabriel, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joshua, Lot, Moses, Aaron, Jonah, David, Solomon, Mary, and Jesus - their stories are not. The historical events surrounding these lives so meticulously detailed by the Jewish scribes were purposefully convoluted - ripped out of context and time - to justify Muhammad’s thinly disguised agenda. I share this now so you might know that without the inclusion of Bible characters and stories, the Qur’an and Hadith would be very thin on spirituality. We would be left with little more than temper tantrums, threats, and terror. No one would confuse it for a religion.


224 posted on 09/10/2009 7:59:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: All
More 'Muslim achievements: Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic Image and video hosting by TinyPic
225 posted on 09/10/2009 8:03:13 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08; Non-Sequitur; LucyT

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/moghal_atro.html

excerpt:

The Magnitude of Muslim Atrocities
(Ghazanavi to Amir Timur)


The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that “the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history”.

India before the advent of Islamic imperialism was not exactly a zone of peace. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. But in all their wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honoured conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death.

Islamic imperialism came with a different code—the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet.

Hindus found it very hard to understand the psychology of this new invader. For the first time in their history, Hindus were witnessing a scene which was described by Kanhadade Prabandha (1456 AD) in the following words:

“The conquering army burnt villages, devastated the land, plundered people’s wealth, took Brahmins and children and women of all classes captive, flogged with thongs of raw hide, carried a moving prison with it, and converted the prisoners into obsequious Turks.”

That was written in remembrance of Alauddin Khalji’s invasion of Gujarat in the year l298 AD. But the gruesome game had started three centuries earlier when Mahmud Ghaznavi had vowed to invade India every year in order to destroy idolatry, kill the kafirs, capture prisoners of war, and plunder vast wealth for which India was well-known.


226 posted on 09/10/2009 8:11:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Read later, thanks.


227 posted on 09/10/2009 8:19:25 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

228 posted on 09/10/2009 8:21:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: LucyT

cold blooded

229 posted on 09/10/2009 8:36:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: All


As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
Ethiopia 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

– Leon Uris, “The Haj” Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threats


230 posted on 09/10/2009 8:41:08 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Fred Nerks
If you want to know what evil looks like you'r looking at it.


231 posted on 09/10/2009 8:57:57 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: Lady Jag
Yep, I agree...but who-ever put the turban on him should have known that's not a muslim headdress, it's what is worn by a Sikh. And there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

SIKH

MUSLIM

232 posted on 09/10/2009 9:06:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: ml/nj

233 posted on 09/10/2009 9:11:19 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fred Nerks

That wicked bastard is doing more to destroy America than the islamomurderers could do. With his democrat party creating the final economic weapons to bankrupt U.S. and destroy our resilience, he and his pack of scum will end up aiding and abetting more slaughter than 911.


234 posted on 09/10/2009 9:13:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: ml/nj

I think a distinction should be drawn between discoveries made by Arabs prior to Mohammad and Islam afterward. I think the PC types like to link the two together, when in fact, Islam actually turned the lights out of an intellectual culture.


235 posted on 09/10/2009 9:16:26 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: LucyT

~~~ALLAH~ALLAH~FUBAR~~~


236 posted on 09/10/2009 9:16:48 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: patriot08
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237 posted on 09/10/2009 9:50:54 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

who cares, they are nasty still sand dwellers


238 posted on 09/10/2009 11:54:48 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Paul Ross; Non-Sequitur

*snicker*


239 posted on 09/11/2009 12:50:05 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Paul Ross; Non-Sequitur

*snicker*


240 posted on 09/11/2009 12:50:21 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: LucyT; Non-Sequitur

Yep, barbarians! Dirty too.


241 posted on 09/11/2009 12:52:27 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: patriot08

Obongo is a Muslim, and a Communist. He’s a low life, sneaky little bastard.


242 posted on 09/11/2009 12:53:46 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: patriot08

groannnnnnnnnnnn! I didn’t need to see that.


243 posted on 09/11/2009 12:54:48 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Fred Nerks

WOW Fred, I’ve never seen that picture before. WTF???? Deranged comes to mind.


244 posted on 09/11/2009 12:55:59 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: MHGinTN

MHG, I think you really, really hate that man. I know the feeling. I have never hated anyone that much. I never knew I had it in me.


245 posted on 09/11/2009 12:57:30 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Salgak
concept of "Zero"

So Obama is a Muslim?

246 posted on 09/11/2009 2:39:41 AM PDT by marbren
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To: mojitojoe; LucyT; Jim Robinson

What the vast majority of Americans have not come to understand is, the destruction of our economy by enemies domestic (read Obama+Democrat legislators and complicit repubicans) hastens the actions of enemies foreign because the acts like 911 will be so much more effective in crumbling the Republic. And to not then go to the logical conclusion that this lying wicked bastard is looking forward to that eventual destruction is aiding this scum sucking affirmative action demon.


247 posted on 09/11/2009 8:53:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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