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Bullet riddled body of Israeli man found in car
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Posted on 01/15/2002 6:25:27 AM PST by consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com

The body of an Israeli man has been found in a bullet-riddled car in the West Bank.

Palestinian security officials say the body was found in Beit Sahour.

Initial reports say the man, who also carried a foreign passport, had been kidnapped by gunmen.

Earlier, the two largest Palestinian militant factions said they will stick to a truce with Israel despite their accusations that Israel assassinated a West Bank militia leader.

Supporters of Raed Karmi took revenge just hours after his death killing an Israeli soldier and wounding an officer who had left their armoured personnel carrier to question two Palestinians at a checkpoint.

Israel did not confirm or deny involvement in the killing of Karmi, 27, leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades in the West Bank town of Tulkarem.

Karmi had boasted of killing two Tel Aviv restaurant owners and was accused by Israel of having killed a total of nine Israelis. He survived an Israeli missile attack on his car in September.

Karmi's funeral procession wound through the streets of Tulkarem, with mourners carrying his body, wrapped in a Palestinian flag.

Militiamen shot in the air, and one shouted "settlers, beware."

The latest violence undermined US truce efforts, and it is not clear whether Washington mediator Anthony Zinni will return to the region later this week as planned.

Story filed: 14:52 Tuesday 15th January 2002


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And some people are still wondering why there is a need for travel restrictions on Palestinians... Here's why.
1 posted on 01/15/2002 6:25:28 AM PST by consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
Why, it's only just another case of Political Expression!
2 posted on 01/15/2002 6:40:44 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
But GEE, everyone knows that the Palestinians are the good guys!

...NOT !!


3 posted on 01/15/2002 6:41:08 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
< arab > Clearly a suicide < /arab >
4 posted on 01/15/2002 6:42:32 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Palestinians are murdering bastards.
5 posted on 01/15/2002 6:48:50 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: AppyPappy

 

 

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Palestinian Fatah gunmen carry the body of militant leader Raed Karmi during his funeral in the West Bank town of Tulkarm January 15, 2002. Karmi, who was wanted by Israel for killing nine Israelis, was killed Oct. 14 by an Israeli bomb, Palestinian security sources said. (Abed Omar Qusini/Reuters)

 

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Unidentified men stand in a morgue next to the body of Raed Karmi who was killed by an explosion outside his West Bank hideout in Tulkarem on Monday, Jan.14, 2002. Israel made no comment on Palestinian charges that its agents killed Karmi, who was the Tulkarem leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades, a militant organisation linked to shooting attacks on Israelis. (AP Photo/Elizabeth Dalziel)

 


6 posted on 01/15/2002 6:54:21 AM PST by dennisw
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
I guess the Israelis had better bulldoze down more houses and shoot more rock-throwing children. Obviously, the Palestinians aren't getting the message. Those stupid idiots just seem to be getting madder and madder. What fools. Can't they see that the Israelis are just itching to give them a homeland?

As Americans financing this noble Israeli effort, we should insist that they stop calling the West Bank "occupied territory" and start calling it "Israel." Oh, but Israel is a "democracy" isn't it? If the "occupied territories" were, in fact, "Israel" then they'd have to acknowledge that the Palestinians have human rights, and the Israelis would be thwarted in their efforts to create an ethnically pure state based on their being the "chosen people." So, best occupy the territories and manage them like a zoo, since the Palestinians, not being chosen and all, are no more than animals anyway.

Since our support of this noble government in Israel has drawn us into the Mideast quagmire, and is at least partly responsible for our own terrorist travails, we owe the Israelis a deep debt of gratitute for their astute management of the Palestinian problem.

8 posted on 01/15/2002 6:56:21 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
Since our support of this noble government in Israel has drawn us into the Mideast quagmire, and is at least partly responsible for our own terrorist travails, we owe the Israelis a deep debt of gratitute for their astute management of the Palestinian problem.

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What would you have Israel do? Besides disappear that is. I don't believe in giving into temper tantrums which is all the Pallies are good for. Just ask the Kuwaitis who evicted 300,000 Pallies back in 1991-1992.

9 posted on 01/15/2002 7:03:44 AM PST by dennisw
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To: tex-oma
The toll of Israeli innocents murdered by Pali death squads continues unabated.
10 posted on 01/15/2002 7:05:30 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: massadvj
Can't they see that the Israelis are just itching to give them a homeland?

Why does israel owe the palestinians a homeland....The Palestinians set the rules for this conflict...Why would ISREAL want a neighbor whose stated goal is to ANNILATE HER? why doesn't the palestinian bretheren solve the problem and give their cousins a homeland?.....BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO EXPLOIT THE SITUATION WITH ISRAEL BY USING THE palestineans.

these people(you?) have but one agenda...elliminate israel.....Are we responsible for some of this mess.....yes....because we and other western nations did not have the b@lls to allow Israel to handle it the way she wanted....That being TO PUSH THE PALESTINIANS BACK and create a buffer between herself and them. The world would not stand for it....now Israel has to put up with the little bastards crawling in amongst them and BLOWING himself up and KILLING Israels men, women and CHILDREN.....I'D BULLDOZE THEIR @SS INTO THE SEA!!!!

11 posted on 01/15/2002 7:08:03 AM PST by is_is
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To: dennisw
"Palestinian Fatah gunmen carry the body of militant leader Raed Karmi during his funeral in the West Bank town of Tulkarm January 15, 2002. Karmi, who was wanted by Israel for killing nine Israelis, was killed Oct. 14 by an Israeli bomb, Palestinian security sources said. (Abed Omar Qusini/Reuters)"

AH...THERE'S the requesite Reuters photo showing zillians of Karmi's close family and friends, wailing and beating their breasts for the cameras, while screaming for "revenge". Notice also that the caption makes an IDF assassination seem to be a fact, even though the IDF has neither confirmed or denied it's involvement.

OCTOBER 14??? Reuters: they can't even get the date straight, but they never fail to quote those old "Palestinian sources".

12 posted on 01/15/2002 7:10:03 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: dennisw
What would you have Israel do?

I don't know. I'm not them. I'm an American, and I can only say what I think America should do (or at least should have done before this situation blew up in our faces).

As an American, I support the idea of pluralism. I like the great quilt that is America, and I believe in the Lockean principles that have made our society possible. The Israelis are clearly opposed to a pluralistic and inclusive society. They are pursuing ethnic purity and at most would settle the Palestinian question based on a "separate but equal" doctrine that we in this country dismissed as anathema long ago.

So I see no reason for American support of the Israelis. If they want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians, fine. I myself am the beneficiary of the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian, so who am I to judge? I just don't see why my tax dollars should be used in the effort.

13 posted on 01/15/2002 7:13:12 AM PST by massadvj
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To: AppyPappy
< arab > Clearly a suicide < /arab >

LOL - Appy, that's a 10-pointer if I ever saw one!

14 posted on 01/15/2002 7:13:25 AM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: massadvj
Well written.

I couldn't agree more.

15 posted on 01/15/2002 7:13:44 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: massadvj
well, even though i don't agree with you, i do appreciate a nice sarcastic post.
16 posted on 01/15/2002 7:14:32 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: dennisw
Since our support of this noble government in Israel has drawn us into the Mideast quagmire, and is at least partly responsible for our own terrorist travails,

No, it's not, at least as far as Osama bin Laden is concerned. The hatred of the US is greater than the hatred of Israel to these people - a lot of their hatred of Israel stems from the fact that they view Israel as a mini-US in the middle of "Arab" (so-called 'holy') territory.

17 posted on 01/15/2002 7:16:46 AM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: massadvj
You are simply lying. I do not believe your tirade is due to simple ignorance. Israel is a pluralist society. They have over 1 million Arab citizens who can vote and hold public office. There is complete freedom of religion. You are simply spouting lies about "ethnic cleansing."
19 posted on 01/15/2002 7:23:35 AM PST by LarryM
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To: massadvj
The Israelis are clearly opposed to a pluralistic and inclusive society. They are pursuing ethnic purity and at most would settle the Palestinian question based on a "separate but equal" doctrine that we in this country dismissed as anathema long ago.

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You are in dreamland. This nice high minded stuff just don't fly in the MidEast. Just look at any Arab nation such as Algeria with 120,000 killed in the last decade and Saddam Hussein using poison gas on Kurds.
AND BTW------>>>>>ARAB nations have evicted all their Jews. Booted out 800,000 of them. GO PREACH TO THEM over there and see how long you last.

20 posted on 01/15/2002 7:26:18 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Jefferson Adams
It was a suicide but Hamas claimed responsibility for it.
22 posted on 01/15/2002 7:30:12 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: massadvj
in their efforts to create an ethnically pure state based on their being the "chosen people."

That must also be the "Palestinian" goal for Israel, why else would they have last week killed a Christian and three Moslem Israeli soldiers?

25 posted on 01/15/2002 7:37:02 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Jefferson Adams
I agree, as far as Osama and Saddam Hussein are concerned. But our unwavering support of Israel is at least partly responsible (certainly not wholly or even the majority, which I think is cultural) for the hatred that exists in the Mideast toward the USA. This hatred is exploited by the likes of Osama and Saddam, enabling them ripe recruiting grounds and political allies.

Israel has been back and forth on the Palestinians. In my lifetime I have seen Arafat go from a terrorist to a statesman back to a terrorist again based on Israeli policy. I have seen the government of Israel sign agreements grantng a Palestinian homeland and then taking it back when the government of that homeland acts autonomous to Israel's wishes.

Israel is in a real pickle, I don't deny it. At some point the Palestinians will be in the majority within the state of Israel, and then they will have a very difficult time maintaining the illusion of democracy while pursuing ethnic purity. If they annex the occupied territories, Palestinians would make up a majority of the newly-formed country today.

My concern is, why should we support them? How are they different from the former South African government which denied basic rights to a majority of their citizens based on ethnicity? We don't believe in ethnic discrimination in this country, so why are we subsidizing it in the Middle East?

This is not to say I support the Palestinians, many of whom are no more than opportunistic, violent thugs -- even toward their own people. I think we should keep at arm's length from the situation, try to maintain a posture as an honest broker if we are called upon to mediate the situation, and let the chips fall where they may.

If, as I suspect must happen, the Israelis extract the Palestinians from the occupied territories, so be it. Of course, if they did that, how would Sharon be different from Milosevik? But that's a different question, I guess.

26 posted on 01/15/2002 7:38:34 AM PST by massadvj
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To: tex-oma
You do not seem to know the difference between evil, and defending against evil. I found out everything I need to know about the Palestinians when they cheered on September 11. As did many, many Americans. Case closed.
27 posted on 01/15/2002 7:39:35 AM PST by scratchgolfer
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To: LarryM
Will Palestinians within Israel proper continue to have rights once they are in the majority, as will happen in the not-so-distant future? Wasn't the point of granting the Palestinian homeland an attempt to keep Palestinians from becoming a majority in Israel proper? What about all Palestinians under Israeli occupation? Are they granted the same democratic rights? Or just those that happen to live in the area Israel itself claims as "Israel?"
28 posted on 01/15/2002 7:43:36 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
I guess the Israelis had better bulldoze down more houses

No, they said they are going to end that policy. And as a gesture of goodwill, the Palestinians only killed two people.

29 posted on 01/15/2002 7:46:16 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
What's the big deal? Who are we to pass judgement on Palestinian "activism"?
30 posted on 01/15/2002 7:47:07 AM PST by montag813
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To: massadvj
If they annex the occupied territories, Palestinians would make up a majority of the newly-formed country today.

In this statement you recognize that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens, which is true. It makes you next statement How are they different from the former South African government which denied basic rights to a majority of their citizens based on ethnicity? patently false.

Arab citizens have full rights in Israel. They are exempt from the draft, though they can enlist. And die defending their country just as Jewish citizens do.

31 posted on 01/15/2002 7:47:42 AM PST by SJackson
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To: massadvj
or at least should have done before this situation blew up in our faces

Hey, at least offer us a $10 million check before you say that.

32 posted on 01/15/2002 7:49:08 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: massadvj
Some people can write the same lying crap over and over again without any embarrassment of how it makes them look.

Is that a result of the anonymity of a made of handle, or are you the same in real life?

33 posted on 01/15/2002 7:49:31 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: massadvj
"As an American, I support the idea of pluralism"

You mean that as an American you support Al Gore's definition of e pluribus unum? Al thinks it means "out of one, many".

As an American, I much prefer to support the idea of "unumism" because the meaning of e pluribus unum is "out of many, one." Actually I think it's more accurate to say "one from many", but I'm not that much of a Latin scholar.

Anti Israel propaganda will not help in the Mideast peace process.

34 posted on 01/15/2002 7:53:54 AM PST by cake_crumb
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just as Jewish citizens do.

Yeah, sure. But are they allowed on "chosen people" buses, allowed to eat at "chosen people" falafel stands, allowed to stay in "chosen people" hotels, see "chosen people" movies, go to the "chosen people" beach.......?

Everyone knows Israel is for the "chosen people", why don't you?

35 posted on 01/15/2002 7:55:50 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: scratchgolfer
I found out everything I need to know about the Palestinians when they cheered on September 11. As did many, many Americans. Case closed.

No doubt. But they do not deserve to die for it. We should recognize that freedom of speech is "inalienable." People are born with it. The true test of whether you agree with the foundations of American philosophy is whether you might join a military in order to defend these scum their right to cheer the events of September 11th.

36 posted on 01/15/2002 7:56:36 AM PST by massadvj
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To: tex-oma
There are SOME Palestinians who kill Israeli innocents, just as there are SOME Israelis who kill Palestinian innocents.

You are mucking up the English language. "There are some Palestinians who MURDER innocents, just as there are some Israelis who kill innocents" is more accurate. It is very rare to hear of an Israeli who murders an innocent Palestinian, but virtually every Israeli death at the hands of Palestinians is a cold blooded murder. You are equating MURDER with KILLING which is either a weakness in discernment or a deliberate propeganda technique.

37 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:15 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: cake_crumb
Anti Israel propaganda will not help in the Mideast peace process.

Neither will unwavering and unquestioning support of Israel, as history has clearly shown.

38 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:16 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
We should recognize that freedom of speech is "inalienable."

I'm with you. Lets test it out.

Go to any Israeli streetcorner and shout that "Sharon is a sc*mbag".

After you become the toast of the Israeli Left, go to Gaza and shout that "Arafat is a sc*mbag"

Leave address of next of kin.

39 posted on 01/15/2002 8:00:19 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: massadvj
You are confused. We don't support Israel over the Palestinians. We support peace in the region, which is why we help create a balance of power between tiny little Israel and the Arab belligerants who attacked here a half dozed times. The fact that the Palestinians decided to go up against Israel violently instead of negotiating a peace deal is not our fault. You mess with the bull you get the horns.
40 posted on 01/15/2002 8:03:18 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Victoria Delsoul; harpseal; Travis McGee; susangirl; mae west; poor muttly; Snow Bunny; onyx...
< arab > Clearly a suicide < /arab >

Outstanding!


41 posted on 01/15/2002 8:03:22 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping.
42 posted on 01/15/2002 8:04:25 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: cake_crumb
...you support Al Gore's definition of e pluribus unum?

Well, that's the old trick here on Free Republic. When someone says something with which you disagree, label him a liberal.

Al Gore does not support a color-blind society. He supports discrimination based on ethnicity and ideology, aka affirmative action for democratic-voting ethnic blocs of voters.

True pluralism means a level playing field for everyone and no government discrimination based on ethnicity, which remains the foundation philosophy of modern-day America in spite of affirmative action.

44 posted on 01/15/2002 8:12:59 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
WEre you previously here as "Harvard Man"? Same flawed logic, same flawed conclusions, etc.
49 posted on 01/15/2002 8:18:31 AM PST by USMMA_83
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To: Billy Bob Thorton
Maybe there is more to it ?

You bet there is. Palestinians with firearms.

50 posted on 01/15/2002 8:18:36 AM PST by Cachelot
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