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Bullet riddled body of Israeli man found in car
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Posted on 01/15/2002 6:25:27 AM PST by consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com

The body of an Israeli man has been found in a bullet-riddled car in the West Bank.

Palestinian security officials say the body was found in Beit Sahour.

Initial reports say the man, who also carried a foreign passport, had been kidnapped by gunmen.

Earlier, the two largest Palestinian militant factions said they will stick to a truce with Israel despite their accusations that Israel assassinated a West Bank militia leader.

Supporters of Raed Karmi took revenge just hours after his death killing an Israeli soldier and wounding an officer who had left their armoured personnel carrier to question two Palestinians at a checkpoint.

Israel did not confirm or deny involvement in the killing of Karmi, 27, leader of the Al Aqsa Brigades in the West Bank town of Tulkarem.

Karmi had boasted of killing two Tel Aviv restaurant owners and was accused by Israel of having killed a total of nine Israelis. He survived an Israeli missile attack on his car in September.

Karmi's funeral procession wound through the streets of Tulkarem, with mourners carrying his body, wrapped in a Palestinian flag.

Militiamen shot in the air, and one shouted "settlers, beware."

The latest violence undermined US truce efforts, and it is not clear whether Washington mediator Anthony Zinni will return to the region later this week as planned.

Story filed: 14:52 Tuesday 15th January 2002


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To: Jefferson Adams
It was a suicide but Hamas claimed responsibility for it.
22 posted on 01/15/2002 7:30:12 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: massadvj
in their efforts to create an ethnically pure state based on their being the "chosen people."

That must also be the "Palestinian" goal for Israel, why else would they have last week killed a Christian and three Moslem Israeli soldiers?

25 posted on 01/15/2002 7:37:02 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Jefferson Adams
I agree, as far as Osama and Saddam Hussein are concerned. But our unwavering support of Israel is at least partly responsible (certainly not wholly or even the majority, which I think is cultural) for the hatred that exists in the Mideast toward the USA. This hatred is exploited by the likes of Osama and Saddam, enabling them ripe recruiting grounds and political allies.

Israel has been back and forth on the Palestinians. In my lifetime I have seen Arafat go from a terrorist to a statesman back to a terrorist again based on Israeli policy. I have seen the government of Israel sign agreements grantng a Palestinian homeland and then taking it back when the government of that homeland acts autonomous to Israel's wishes.

Israel is in a real pickle, I don't deny it. At some point the Palestinians will be in the majority within the state of Israel, and then they will have a very difficult time maintaining the illusion of democracy while pursuing ethnic purity. If they annex the occupied territories, Palestinians would make up a majority of the newly-formed country today.

My concern is, why should we support them? How are they different from the former South African government which denied basic rights to a majority of their citizens based on ethnicity? We don't believe in ethnic discrimination in this country, so why are we subsidizing it in the Middle East?

This is not to say I support the Palestinians, many of whom are no more than opportunistic, violent thugs -- even toward their own people. I think we should keep at arm's length from the situation, try to maintain a posture as an honest broker if we are called upon to mediate the situation, and let the chips fall where they may.

If, as I suspect must happen, the Israelis extract the Palestinians from the occupied territories, so be it. Of course, if they did that, how would Sharon be different from Milosevik? But that's a different question, I guess.

26 posted on 01/15/2002 7:38:34 AM PST by massadvj
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To: tex-oma
You do not seem to know the difference between evil, and defending against evil. I found out everything I need to know about the Palestinians when they cheered on September 11. As did many, many Americans. Case closed.
27 posted on 01/15/2002 7:39:35 AM PST by scratchgolfer
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To: LarryM
Will Palestinians within Israel proper continue to have rights once they are in the majority, as will happen in the not-so-distant future? Wasn't the point of granting the Palestinian homeland an attempt to keep Palestinians from becoming a majority in Israel proper? What about all Palestinians under Israeli occupation? Are they granted the same democratic rights? Or just those that happen to live in the area Israel itself claims as "Israel?"
28 posted on 01/15/2002 7:43:36 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
I guess the Israelis had better bulldoze down more houses

No, they said they are going to end that policy. And as a gesture of goodwill, the Palestinians only killed two people.

29 posted on 01/15/2002 7:46:16 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: consrv_at_IsraelForum_dot_com
What's the big deal? Who are we to pass judgement on Palestinian "activism"?
30 posted on 01/15/2002 7:47:07 AM PST by montag813
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To: massadvj
If they annex the occupied territories, Palestinians would make up a majority of the newly-formed country today.

In this statement you recognize that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens, which is true. It makes you next statement How are they different from the former South African government which denied basic rights to a majority of their citizens based on ethnicity? patently false.

Arab citizens have full rights in Israel. They are exempt from the draft, though they can enlist. And die defending their country just as Jewish citizens do.

31 posted on 01/15/2002 7:47:42 AM PST by SJackson
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To: massadvj
or at least should have done before this situation blew up in our faces

Hey, at least offer us a $10 million check before you say that.

32 posted on 01/15/2002 7:49:08 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: massadvj
Some people can write the same lying crap over and over again without any embarrassment of how it makes them look.

Is that a result of the anonymity of a made of handle, or are you the same in real life?

33 posted on 01/15/2002 7:49:31 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: massadvj
"As an American, I support the idea of pluralism"

You mean that as an American you support Al Gore's definition of e pluribus unum? Al thinks it means "out of one, many".

As an American, I much prefer to support the idea of "unumism" because the meaning of e pluribus unum is "out of many, one." Actually I think it's more accurate to say "one from many", but I'm not that much of a Latin scholar.

Anti Israel propaganda will not help in the Mideast peace process.

34 posted on 01/15/2002 7:53:54 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: SJackson;massadvj
just as Jewish citizens do.

Yeah, sure. But are they allowed on "chosen people" buses, allowed to eat at "chosen people" falafel stands, allowed to stay in "chosen people" hotels, see "chosen people" movies, go to the "chosen people" beach.......?

Everyone knows Israel is for the "chosen people", why don't you?

35 posted on 01/15/2002 7:55:50 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: scratchgolfer
I found out everything I need to know about the Palestinians when they cheered on September 11. As did many, many Americans. Case closed.

No doubt. But they do not deserve to die for it. We should recognize that freedom of speech is "inalienable." People are born with it. The true test of whether you agree with the foundations of American philosophy is whether you might join a military in order to defend these scum their right to cheer the events of September 11th.

36 posted on 01/15/2002 7:56:36 AM PST by massadvj
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To: tex-oma
There are SOME Palestinians who kill Israeli innocents, just as there are SOME Israelis who kill Palestinian innocents.

You are mucking up the English language. "There are some Palestinians who MURDER innocents, just as there are some Israelis who kill innocents" is more accurate. It is very rare to hear of an Israeli who murders an innocent Palestinian, but virtually every Israeli death at the hands of Palestinians is a cold blooded murder. You are equating MURDER with KILLING which is either a weakness in discernment or a deliberate propeganda technique.

37 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:15 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: cake_crumb
Anti Israel propaganda will not help in the Mideast peace process.

Neither will unwavering and unquestioning support of Israel, as history has clearly shown.

38 posted on 01/15/2002 7:58:16 AM PST by massadvj
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To: massadvj
We should recognize that freedom of speech is "inalienable."

I'm with you. Lets test it out.

Go to any Israeli streetcorner and shout that "Sharon is a sc*mbag".

After you become the toast of the Israeli Left, go to Gaza and shout that "Arafat is a sc*mbag"

Leave address of next of kin.

39 posted on 01/15/2002 8:00:19 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: massadvj
You are confused. We don't support Israel over the Palestinians. We support peace in the region, which is why we help create a balance of power between tiny little Israel and the Arab belligerants who attacked here a half dozed times. The fact that the Palestinians decided to go up against Israel violently instead of negotiating a peace deal is not our fault. You mess with the bull you get the horns.
40 posted on 01/15/2002 8:03:18 AM PST by monkeyshine
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