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Gravity's quantum leaps detected
New Scientist ^ | 19:00 16 January 02 | Hazel Muir

Posted on 01/17/2002 4:06:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the bump.
24 posted on 01/17/2002 6:01:38 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Clarity;Physicist;Pinlighter
I'm with Clarity.

I am a math guy , don't understand the proof!

25 posted on 01/17/2002 6:03:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: PatrickHenry
It was only a matter of time before this quantum craze hit gravity.
26 posted on 01/17/2002 6:10:45 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
I always thought the heavier stuff ought to fall faster!

Well, at least it falls harder.

And there, sir, lies the answer. There is no gravity, only weight. :-)

27 posted on 01/17/2002 6:12:54 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The 3rd law already covers the zero energy case. There ain't one.

I would like to see more of the hinted at higher quantum energy levels.

28 posted on 01/17/2002 6:18:25 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: snowfox
Great scott!
29 posted on 01/17/2002 6:28:57 PM PST by Slapper
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To: VadeRetro
It was only a matter of time before this quantum craze hit gravity.

I think my brain has become quantized. I'm discovering gaps in my comprehension of all this.

30 posted on 01/17/2002 6:33:19 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, I was just about to post a question about this very topic and you beat me by seconds to the punch and answered everything with this article.
31 posted on 01/17/2002 6:35:46 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Physicist
I have a hypothesis about gravity. It could falsefied by showing that electrons have gravitational attraction for one another. Showing protons some gravitational attraction would not do it, as they have quarks with so opposite electric charge.

I suppose it could be confirmed by seeing if the strength of the gravitational constant falls within parameters suggested by the hypothesis. Here goes...

Gravity is a by-product of subatomic particles reacting to electromagnetic waves that pass through their "location".

There is a net difference in the "pull" force produced by an EM wave that has the opposite charge as the particle verses the "push" force produced by an EM wave that has the same charge. This is because during the minute time period that the EM wave of the charge is passing through the "location", the subatomic particle reacts to the event.

Consider; if a wave of the same charge passed through the particle, it would alter its "location" so as to move in the opposite direction of the wave. This motion would weaken its force of "impact" during the time of the event (wave passing through). I suppose this is like the Doppler effect on wave energy.

Now consider the opposite situation. A wave from an opposite charge moves through the particle "location". During the tiny life of the event the particle will be attracted to the source, so the relative motion will draw the particle into the incoming wave. This will strengthen the its force of attraction during the time the wave is passing through.

The force known as "Gravity" is therefore the net difference between the opposite verses the same charge of wave passing through a particle "location". The attractive EM force gets stronger as it passes through, the repulsive force gets weaker. This tiny difference explains why gravity is so tiny relative to the EM force, and why no anti-gravity has ever been found.

I am sure you get stuff like this all the time. If it is nonsense just saying so if fine. I won't be offended if you do not have time to explain why. Ahban

32 posted on 01/17/2002 6:40:04 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Ahban
What? You've never read "Transgressing the Boundaries" by Paul Sokol? He proves, rather convincingly, that gravity is a social construct and an artifact of human existence. The quantum theory proves it. (I could give you the exact link so that you could check it out, but I'm too blasted lazy to walk a few feet to my library and pull out my copy of "Fashionable Nonsense").
33 posted on 01/17/2002 6:50:19 PM PST by JusPasenThru
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To: A CA Guy
Yea right!! LOL!

I didn't understand it...but I thought some on here could explain it !

34 posted on 01/17/2002 6:54:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Right-side brain cell stimulation bump. Quantum mechanics was me favorite course in college. hehe
35 posted on 01/17/2002 7:14:16 PM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: Ahban
I have a hypothesis about gravity. It could falsefied by showing that electrons have gravitational attraction for one another.

Well, I didn't follow the argument, but it's simple to show that electrons have gravitational attraction. Electrons make up one part in 1800 or so of the mass of hydrogen, say, which is more than 2.5 times the fraction of the mass of uranium made up by electrons. All you would have to do is measure the ratio of inertial masses of a mass of hydrogen and a mass of uranium (you could do this with a torsion balance), and compare it to the ratio of their gravitational masses (you'd do this with a beam balance). The ratios would be measurably different. Archimedes might have used water and lead; the ratio of electron mass fraction would have been a bit smaller than 2.5, but he wouldn't have missed the effect.

36 posted on 01/17/2002 7:15:17 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Clarity; Ernest_at_the_Beach
But it does not necessarily follow that they also have a maximum energy in the Earth's gravitational field.

Nor would there be a maximum energy.

Thus, isn't the precise hypothesis ("the pull of gravity should make particles fall into discrete energy levels") still unproven?

The lowest energy levels, just like the energy levels of an electron in an atom, are the most widely spaced. As the particle assumes a higher and higher energy level, the spacing between the energy levels becomes ever smaller and less easily distinguished, until ultimately it becomes a continuum band. That is to say, there is an energy above which any amount of energy is permitted. But for slow enough neutrons, only certain energies are permitted.

37 posted on 01/17/2002 7:26:03 PM PST by Physicist
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To: laconas
"maybe in some time they will able to measure the speed of gravity."

Is that Turkey gravity, or Beef gravity?

The speed of gravity depends on the temperchur. If it's biscuits and gravity, and the biscuits are hot, the gravity runs fast.

38 posted on 01/17/2002 7:43:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: A CA Guy
'Thanks, I was just about to post a question about this very topic and you beat me by seconds to the punch and answered everything with this article."

Have you been studying under Senator Pardek?

39 posted on 01/17/2002 7:48:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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