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ELEMENTARY TEACHER SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY. FACES TERMINATION
The Nashville Tennessean | 17 January 2002 | Carly Harrington

Posted on 01/17/2002 4:45:56 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

MURFREESBORO — A Rutherford County teacher who called his students a ''bunch of fools'' and made them place their noses in a circle on the wall has been suspended without pay, according to a letter school officials sent to the teacher. William Van Ulzen, 60, of Franklin, was notified on Dec. 19 that Superintendent Hulon Watson intended to terminate his post as a first-year visual arts teacher at Cedar Grove Elementary School in Smyrna, ''based on incidents that occurred during the current school year.''

The letter cites several instances in which Van Ulzen used ''demeaning'' disciplinary measures and made ''derogatory, humiliating and ridiculing remarks'' to his students. Watson declined to comment on the matter, pending a hearing before an independent hearing officer. A telephone message left at Van Ulzen's home was not returned.

Van Ulzen, who has two master's degrees, has more than 20 years of teaching experience, including a one-year stint at Williamson County's Centennial High School and three years at Marshall County High School. In both cases, the position he held was eliminated. He also has held positions as an art and design instructor and department head at various schools and colleges.

Two letters of recommendation found in his personnel file state that Van Ulzen ''consistently exhibits professionalism, caring and wisdom'' and that students ''enjoy his teaching and rate him as one of the best.'' The school board will select an independent hearing officer at its 5 p.m. meeting today at its central offices at 2240 Southpark Blvd.


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Perhaps they're getting rid of a higher paid teacher? Also, another instance of out-of-control children. Maybe Tennessee needs to do something about disciplining some of the students.
1 posted on 01/17/2002 4:45:56 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: goldstategop
Check this one out too.
2 posted on 01/17/2002 4:50:01 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
He should have chosen words more complex in nature so neither the moron kid or the moron parent would have figured it out.
3 posted on 01/17/2002 4:51:51 PM PST by mgc1122
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Another example of a generation so far removed from the PC "no no's" of today's public education. It's rather sad to be leaving those good ol' days behind.
4 posted on 01/17/2002 4:51:55 PM PST by demkicker
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To: goldstategop
Check this one out.
5 posted on 01/17/2002 4:52:36 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I had to do the old nose-to-the-board thing in first grade, and it didn't hurt me. Before the public school bashers like southern rock jump in, I maintain that the abandonment of old-style discipline and widespread fear of lawsuits are largely responsible for public schools being the hell-holes they are today.
6 posted on 01/17/2002 4:57:03 PM PST by TN Republican
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This is nothing compared to what I witnessed during 12 years of having nuns for teachers.
7 posted on 01/17/2002 5:01:55 PM PST by mystery-ak
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
What was the reason to place nose in corners?
Perhaps they agreed that nuking a power-plant was glorious!?

BS, one-sided story...

8 posted on 01/17/2002 5:08:07 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This guy Van Ulzen failed to understand that his job in the government school children warehouse was primarily to babysit. He apparently thought he was supposed to keep a disciplined classroom and teach, lol!

On the other hand, Van Ulzen is 60 years old and probably never had all the "diversity", "multicultural", and "self esteem" training that today's government schools require.

10 posted on 01/17/2002 5:19:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LarryLied;summer
fyi
11 posted on 01/17/2002 5:22:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Interesting. Thanks for the flag.
12 posted on 01/17/2002 5:30:25 PM PST by summer
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I would wait for more details.

What may be acceptable in high school is not going to fly in elementary school.It does not say what grievous wrong the kids did, nor does it mention the grade.

My child is 7 and looks 11 or 12.She definately does not have the same comprehensive skills and I would want her treated as a 7 yr old. Could it be this guy forgot that kids are not miniature adults?Just because someone is a teacher doesnt mean they are a good one. For all the anti-public education jibes I see on this forum, it seems a little weird to see a thread that will take the teachers side just because it involves dicipline, whether appropriate or not. More facts please.

13 posted on 01/17/2002 5:40:41 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"A Rutherford County teacher who called his students a 'bunch of fools'"

Sometimes, the truth hurts.
I would love to see this thing brought to trial: "All right, counsellor, prove to me that they're NOT a bunch of fools."

14 posted on 01/17/2002 5:46:05 PM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Lancey Howard
I want you to know that teachers do more than just babysit. They have important work to do. They collect the lunch money, count it twice and fill out the lunch report. No teacher wants to mess up the lunch report. It will ruin their whole day. And that's just the beginning of all the important work they do. A few even find a minute or two of free time to say hello to the students assigned to their care.
15 posted on 01/17/2002 6:05:58 PM PST by neverquit
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To: neverquit
They collect the lunch money, count it twice and fill out the lunch report.

LOL, maybe out in the "rich" suburbs they collect lunch money, but in the parasite centers (cities) most of the kids get their lunches paid for courtesy of the money confiscated by the stinking government from regular working folks. Heaven forfend the parents who reside in the parasite centers should pack lunches the way my wife and I pack three lunches every night.

16 posted on 01/17/2002 6:18:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
When I saw the headline I thought they had busted him for carrying a Bible into class or perhaps praying in view of students.
17 posted on 01/17/2002 6:47:51 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: mgc1122
He should have chosen words more complex in nature so neither the moron kid or the moron parent would have figured it out.

You mean words like "niggardly"? They get you coming and going, those buffoon goverment union types.

It is a shame to see every negative reinforcement tactic at a teacher's disposal snatched away one by one. Anyone who's ever slapped a rat into a Skinner box knows a steady diet of positive reinforcement won't get you all the way there.... (aren't any of these fools parents?)

18 posted on 01/17/2002 6:52:17 PM PST by GOP Jedi
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To: mystery-ak
I had 8 years of Nuns and 4 years of Fransican Brothers!!

I learned well and lived to tell the tale!!

19 posted on 01/17/2002 8:48:02 PM PST by Nitro
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To: Nitro
Except how to spell Franciscan. They should have beat your hands more when you were bad. Just kidding. I am only good at finding the typos of other people.
20 posted on 01/17/2002 8:59:19 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Chemnitz
I must plead guilty, I was dividing my attention with television, what makes it worse is I went to St. Francis Prep!

If I was still there I would get what they called a "Bell Clapper", the Brother would turn the stones of his high school ring on one hand and his college ring on the other inward and slap both sides of your head at the same time!!

I only got it once but it sticks with you!!

21 posted on 01/17/2002 9:07:51 PM PST by Nitro
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To: Nitro
No kidding! That could lead to permanent brain damage, even to perverse spelling of "Franciscan." But you know that already.
22 posted on 01/17/2002 10:17:44 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: TN Republican
You are correct, but, it is also the extreme watering down of what is taught.
23 posted on 01/17/2002 10:22:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lancey Howard
"On the other hand, Van Ulzen is 60 years old "

Pushing retirement and all of a sudden they decide they should get rid of him? Hmmm. Sounds more like a profitable convenience to me.

24 posted on 01/17/2002 10:24:00 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I'm guessing that this teacher would be in seriously deep doo doo.


25 posted on 01/17/2002 10:37:03 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: Chemnitz
No I'm not kidding, but they weren't using full strength!

I might be making it sound worse than it actually was, I guess that is to make me sound tougher than I really am for making it through!

The way I see it now is, the Brothers just helped us re-focus on the reason we were there! I am sure you will agree that most teenagers are short-sighted, I was no different, but today the kids are in charge and they learn nothing!!

When the Brothers were in charge we learned whether we wanted to or not!!

And to this day and beyond I am glad those Brothers were there to kick my ass!!!

26 posted on 01/17/2002 10:42:58 PM PST by Nitro
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To: Nitro
I think the threat of physical punishment should be there in handling teen-age boys. I think that is now out of the question in almost all schools. One commedian (former teacher) put it well when he said the teachers used to beat up the students if they were bad. Now the students beat up the teachers. Which is better?

I teach college, so I have a more mature set of kids and many older students. I have witnessed some obnoxious mouthing off by girls and boys in class. I was not teaching those classes. I am glad I was not.

27 posted on 01/18/2002 10:10:47 AM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Chemnitz
Although I don't like this word, it is their sense of entitlement. Unfortunately they all want respect before they have done even the tiniest thing to earn it!!

Also self-esteem comes from succcess not by passing on failing students, because when they find out the truth that bogus self-esteem bubble just pops!

28 posted on 01/19/2002 10:51:22 PM PST by Nitro
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