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FReepers Report on National March for Life - January 22, 2002
1/23/2002 | ArGee

Posted on 01/23/2002 5:22:14 AM PST by ArGee

On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, Argee, Teacup, proud2bRC, firebrand, ELS, stand waite, mudpuppy, and teacup met one another before the March for Life in Washington D.C. There was also a youngster whose screen name was, I believe, Catherine the Great, but she didn't write it down and I could be mis-remembering.

I offered to start a thread where we could post comments, pictures, whatever. This is that thread.

For my own comments, I have four thoughts.

Those are my thoughts. I'll ping the others so they can add theirs.


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Shalom.
1 posted on 01/23/2002 5:22:14 AM PST by ArGee
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To: proud2bRC; firebrand; ELS; stand watie; mudpuppy; teacup;
It was great meeting you all yesterday. I hope you enjoyed yourselves as much as I did.

Post away.

Shalom.

2 posted on 01/23/2002 5:24:09 AM PST by ArGee
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To: jwalsh07
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3 posted on 01/23/2002 5:29:30 AM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: ArGee
Thank you to all that attended. God bless you and your endevors!
4 posted on 01/23/2002 5:39:03 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: ArGee
I couldn't agree more, the Freepers I met were wonderful!

Sorry I had to scoot out on all of you, but I wanted to get near the front of the march in order to make it to see Rick Santorum, which I did. I also heard Arlen Specter via cell phone.(Blecchh)A pro-life physician got up and asked him a few questions, he basically did his typical dodging act, saying he is personally opposed but that oppositon should be dealt with in the family, and is not a matter for government. He then stated that the Supreme Court had made a decision, and that they are the highest authority. What happened next made my day. The doc informed him that God was the higher authority. Well Mr. Specter musn't have taken his congeniality pills, because he lost it on the good doc. He started the relationship with God and the concept of him is so personal... blah... basically what he said was "How dare you question me, and it's none of your damn business!" His tone said it all!

Concerning the atmosphere, I heard people discussing how next year it will probably be like a picnic, and that was not meant in a complimentary sense. My mom has attended March for Life for about the last 12 years, she also stated that things have changed. Not having marched before, I had no idea what to expect, or how people would behave.

I must say that law enforcement were polite and helpful, and I didn't see any disruptive behavior. I also didn't see any protesters, not one. I would imagine they were kept at a safe distance. I did hear that they were to have held a prayer vigil in front of the Supreme Court.

I must say I was struck by the sheer number of the participants. My mom and a friend that has attended previous years, encouraged me to turn around briefly and look behind on the way up to the Capital. It was unbelievable!

I hope everyone else had a great day, but I have to say that this gal is still a wee bit tired.

5 posted on 01/23/2002 6:13:52 AM PST by pubmom
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To: pubmom; teacup
He then stated that the Supreme Court had made a decision, and that they are the highest authority.

As a Pennsylvanian, if he really said this then he needs to be canned. We don't need a Senator who doesn't know the Constitution. Our system of checks and balances put all three branches of government in place so they could watch each other. None is higher than the other. Each has a function, and part of that function is to keep the other two in line.

In Roe v. Wade and later rulings the SCOTUS has overstepped its bounds. The only reason they have gotten away with it is that the executive and legslitave branches haven't held it to account. If Santorum doesn't understand that particular responsibility of his branch, he needs to go do a job that he does understand.

On another front, I wish the doc had asked Santorum if he feels the same way when he hears a child screeming for mercy while being beaten by his parents. Either the womb houses a baby or it doesn't. That's a matter of fact, not of opinion. And it is therefore a public policy issue, not a private issue.

Now, where's teacup with those pictures?

Shalom.

6 posted on 01/23/2002 6:34:37 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Let me clarify something, Santorum is Pro-life right down the line. Arlen Specter was the one making all the idiotic staements.
7 posted on 01/23/2002 6:44:49 AM PST by pubmom
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To: pubmom
You're right and I knew that.

I'll blame this new WinME OS. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I respect Rick Santorum. I've never been able to figure out how Arlen Specter could get elected.

I hope Rick will forgive the slip, if he's a FReeper. I'll probably have to send him a campaign contribution or something.

But we need to remind these people that SCOTUS is not the highest authority in the US government. We have three branches, neither higher than the other. That nonsense about SCOTUS being the highest authority would make them a ruling cabal. It has got to be attacked every time it is brought up.

Shalom.

8 posted on 01/23/2002 6:48:27 AM PST by ArGee
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To: pubmom;proud2bRC; firebrand; ELS; stand watie; mudpuppy;simcha7;Billie;Snow Bunny
Hello everyone! WOW! what a great time we had yesterday. I am always amazed when meeting Freepers. What a wondeful bunch of folks. Some Freepers I had met before, and some I met for the first time.

Pubmom, you are so cute! Catherine the Great, is are such a doll. 2bRC; firebrand; ELS; stand watie; mudpuppy; you are all such troopers. Oh yeah, let's not forget Mudpuppy's son was with us too, what a sweetie.

Mudpuppy, Els, and Firebrand and I all stayed together during the march. There were so many speakers, including, B-one Bob Dornan, and many others.

Firebrand and Els, were interviewd by a New York newspaper, Woo Hoo!.

I took pictures. As soon as I can download them, I will post them.

The walk was long, and there were sooo many people there. I have never seem so many people gathered all in one place in my life. I'm telling you all this because you won't see this covered my your local news. At least, not to the extent of the event's size. Pictures will be posted tonight for sure.

9 posted on 01/23/2002 7:33:12 AM PST by Teacup
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To: ArGee; stand watie; pubmom; nina0113; proud2bRC; katherineisgreat; MudPuppy; ELS; Teacup
Hi, again, everybody. It was great to meet so many freepers I hadn't met before, and to march with ELS, MudPuppy, and Teacup and MudPuppy's son up Constitution Avenue. Thanks to proud2bRC for organizing this and picking that cool meeting place.

I did see the pro-abort protesters. I shouted over the heads of the crowd to them that they had gotten off at the wrong Metro stop. People around me laughed, but it was supposed to have a deeper meaning too. I pray for them now and for all pro-abort people that they will understand the call to repentance before it's too late.

The March was smaller than last year's, probably because the Inauguration drew a larger crowd. It was icy cold and damp last year, but yesterday it was so warm we had to take our jackets off, until the shadow of the Washington Monument passed over us---then we had to put them back on.

I was interviewed by a New York publication. The reporter liked my sign, which maybe you will see later when Teacup gets the photos up. He took my name and where I had come from ("I'm the only pro-life woman on the Upper West Side," I told him) and also ELS's name and hometown.

ELS and I went to the Susan B. Anthony reception in the Rayburn Building, and then headed for Union Station. I fell asleep almost immediately and didn't wake up till Princeton Junction.

It was so wonderful to spend time with all of you. I hope we will have more chances to meet in the future, and more chances to help in this important cause.

10 posted on 01/23/2002 8:11:18 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Ligeia; nd76;toenail; JenB; sauropod; Congressman Billybob; CounterCounterCulture; patent...
ping

Photos later

11 posted on 01/23/2002 8:17:34 AM PST by firebrand
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To: ArGee
I was there; wish I'd seen you guys! I got stuck near the back of the march, having been quite near the stage so I could see and hear everything. I was very impressed by Rep. Hart - she's got my vote! Made me proud to have her in Congress representing my state. I think everyone in the crowd cheered when W called in; I know I did. I did get a bit tired off all the bishops and politicians and such getting up and talking - half the amount of time would have been fine. As it was I nearly ran out of time and wasn't able to make it over to the Capitol building after the march, since I had to go find a metro station right away.

It was so great to be surrounded by so many pro-life people. I didn't see any anti-lifers, but the people with the gruesome photographs got a bit annoying, since they were basically preaching to the choir.

OK, next year I'll get my act together and meet some of you guys - because I'll be there again!

12 posted on 01/23/2002 8:18:10 AM PST by JenB
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To: firebrand
Will be waiting for the photos!!!!!
13 posted on 01/23/2002 8:19:17 AM PST by Neets
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To: ArGee;stand watie;pubmom;nina0113;proud2bRC;MudPuppy;ELS;Teacup
Hey everybody! I had a great time!

I went with my Mom, my sister, my uncle, and 2 cousins. We saw our grandmother and another cousin at the court believe it or not!
I only saw 3 pro-aborts. very heartining.

My favorite part was when once of the speakers was talking about how all the pro-life bills have been blocked by the Clintons and said "those people have moved on" I got to yell and scream just like at Dubya's inauguration! It was also wonderful to see so many kids about my age! I thought every kid was a liberal!

and it was great to finally meet the freepers. Now that my Mom knows your all normal people she'll relax a little *G*

14 posted on 01/23/2002 8:41:29 AM PST by katherineisgreat
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To: JenB
I got stuck near the back of the march, having been quite near the stage so I could see and hear everything.

I was also near the back of the march. Did you see a guy in a blue sweatshirt with the U.S. flag on the front (my only pro-life gear)? I marched with the Franciscans that had that portable sound system for a while.

I finally had to leave the march right after it went past the capital building. Unfortunately, I never could find any detailed information on the march, and had told my wife I would probably leave D.C. around 3:00. She was home with a sick daughter and I really had to leave to go help out. I'm sorry I missed W. but not sorry I missed that RINO Specter. I'm also sorry I didn't get to meet you.

Shalom.

15 posted on 01/23/2002 8:43:09 AM PST by ArGee
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To: teacup;pubmom;proud2bRC; firebrand; ELS; stand watie; truelove;Billie;Snow Bunny...
Yesterday was both awesome and sad.

Awesome to personally meet great FReepers in person and to stand up for LIFE - my son and I enjoyed your company!....
...but sad that we had to be there at all.
The amount of young people there always amazes me. I pray they can help right the wrong that this nation has allowed.
It must be a terrible feeling to know that your generation has suffered through an almost silent holocaust....millions dead
on the alter of immorality and materialism.

I admit that I can't look at those graphic pictures of mutilated babies...it makes me sick and sick at heart.

I hope to be alive to celebrate the day when we can March For Life and the OVERTURN of Roe vs. Wade.
That will be a joyous day!

16 posted on 01/23/2002 8:43:21 AM PST by MudPuppy
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To: katherineisgreat
I'm sure glad you got into the thread since none of us could remember your screen name.

It was great to meet you.

Shalom.

17 posted on 01/23/2002 8:44:22 AM PST by ArGee
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To: firebrand
Thanks for the ping. Enjoyed the company of fellow pro-lifers last year in DC.

This year I attended a much smaller walk in Los Altos, California (a little bit north of San Jose and south of San Francisco). This was an annual event the local Catholic Church does (for the record, I'm not Catholic).

The pro-abortion extremists this year came out in force to cause havoc and parallel our march. Some on our side were too nervous to go on with the original plan to march to city hall, not wanting to risk confronation with the extremists since the pro-aborts had planned on merging with our crowd. Half of our group decided not to back down and continued with the original route while the others just walked around the church area.

With only half of us, we only had half the numbers of the pro-aborts who were chanting their usual inane chants. The Catholics did their prayers with the rosary beads thing. Since I'm not Catholic, my sign focused more on the civil rights of the preborn, although some of the Catholics' sign echoed the sentiment. We got near the city hall but turned back toward the church at the end and let the pro-aborts do their thing.

There was plenty of media coverage present and one station that I saw did quite a thorough job covering the event (KTVU-Channel 2)

18 posted on 01/23/2002 8:49:01 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: ArGee
firebrand knew my name. It was very nice to meet all of you guys as well!
19 posted on 01/23/2002 8:49:37 AM PST by katherineisgreat
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To: JMJ333; EODGUY; proud2bRC
I have one pet peeve for my Catholic pro-life friends.

As you all know, I am not a Catholic but I have great respect for the Church.

I also know that there are some valid points of contention between the Catholics and the Protestants. I don't ask the Church to give up her position, but she must know those points exist.

That said, do any of you see a problem in a unity event like the national March for Life with people loudly praying the Rosary, holding placards asking Mary to pray for us, etc.? I do not mean to call into question the validity of the Rosary or asking Mary to pray for us. I think I understand the Church's position on both and do not wish to argue it. But Catholics must know that such things make non-Catholics uncomfortable. Wouldn't it be reasonable to focus on the ties that bind all of us together rather than loudly proclaim our distinctives?

And I don't even want to think about how the Jewish pro-lifers felt about many of the signs proclaiming Jesus.

Just to be sure everyone here understands. I'm not asking anyone to denounce their beliefs. I'm just wondering about the wisdom of proclaiming every one of them when the people of G-d are finally unified on something.

I'm interested in your comments.

Shalom.

20 posted on 01/23/2002 8:49:44 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
This Catholic totally agrees with you.
21 posted on 01/23/2002 9:08:30 AM PST by Steve1789
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To: ArGee
My opinion as a Catholic - praying the rosary and other prayers (St Michael, etc)
are an inherent part of our faith. I believe it gives us unity and strength and is pleasing to the Lord.

The only "Mary" signs I saw were of Our Lady of Guadalupe or Church or School signs displaying their
name or their religious order. (My Church is St. Mary)
There was a gentleman that spoke on the stage and then blew some type of ceremonial horn. I was not
uncomfortable with that display of faith.
Those hallmarks of our faith are not meant to make anyone uncomfortable but serve to rally the faithful.
I saw many signs from other faiths and secular groups and didn't wonder about it one way or the other.

The more educated I become about being Catholic, the more excited I get about living, sharing and
outwardly displaying my faith.

That probably didn't help much and wasn't very articulate but please know that those things that you're questioning
are not done to make you feel bad or uncomfortable. Mostly it's an integral part of our faith and not done to annoy anyone.

22 posted on 01/23/2002 9:10:09 AM PST by MudPuppy
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To: ArGee
My wife and I were there and what we came away with was hope. The numbers of young people last year and this year gives us bigtime hope for the future.
23 posted on 01/23/2002 9:15:48 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: MudPuppy
Those hallmarks of our faith are not meant to make anyone uncomfortable but serve to rally the faithful.

I understand that, and I also understand the underlying love of G-d that drives these behaviors.

But I'm sure you understand that praying in a prayer language is an integral part of the faith of many Charismatics. But such can be distracting and so, if I do that in a public place, I do it very quietly.

As for the shofar, Jesus Himself worshipped G-d to the sound of the shofar. The sound of the shofar goes all the way back to Moses. I didn't have the same problem with that as those marching down Constitution Ave. praying the Rosary in loud voices.

But had that Rabbi prayed the Amidah, part of which is a curse that was introduced to curse Christians, I would have had a big problem with that at this rally.

For context, this is only a minor peeve. I was not at all troubled by all the overt demonstrations of Catholocism. But there's a thread here that is discussing whether a pro-life homosexual group should have been allowed to publicly display that they were homosexual. The consensus seems to be that, at such a march, they should have been pro-life first and homosexual second. Would that not also apply to Catholice, or Charismatics, or Jews, or whetever?

Shalom.

24 posted on 01/23/2002 9:17:01 AM PST by ArGee
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To: jwalsh07
I spent a little bit of time marching right in front of you guys!

Shalom.

25 posted on 01/23/2002 9:17:58 AM PST by ArGee
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To: jwalsh07
Hey yoyo, you forgot to change the date when you put in new batteries. Shmuck!
26 posted on 01/23/2002 9:19:34 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ArGee
Why didn't you say hello? :-}
27 posted on 01/23/2002 9:21:58 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Why didn't you say hello? :-}

By that time I was trying to figure out how to keep walking without stepping on the heels of the nice lady in front of me. If you remember, by the time we got to the top of the hill it was pretty thick. I wanted to say, "Stand aside. I take large steps!" but I wasn't sure everyone would have seen the movie and known what I was talking about.

Shalom.

28 posted on 01/23/2002 9:24:16 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
Did you also see President Washington. LOL


29 posted on 01/23/2002 9:28:18 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
No! I missed him! Good thing he wasn't too noticeable or we might have been accused of being racist. ;)

Shalom.

30 posted on 01/23/2002 9:30:33 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
I need to give your question more thought. I still don't understand why it would bother anyone.

The people that were praying the rosary around me were using a normal speaking voice that was almost
drowned out by the crowd -
when we walked past a group of nuns they were praying the Mercy Chaplet but it was barely audible

The Notre Dame Pro-Life kids were LOUD! :)
They were signing and chanting some great stuff (great shirts that read Irish For Life)

There was a protestant group near us loudly signing Amazing Grace and asking people to join in

I'll admit that since those are signs of my faith that I didn't notice it as out of the ordinary -
I saw everyone as being just pro-life...and we were busy trying not to get separated from our group :)

I'm not going to even touch the Gay pro-life issue. It's an oxymoron to me. I have a hard enough
time loving the sinner and hating the sin without getting drawn into that one.
Although, knowing the leanings of the organizers - why does their sexuality have to come into it.
I saw many people just waving flags that said "Wisconsin For Life"..."Pennsylvania For LIFE"...
couldn't they find a state that would take them?

31 posted on 01/23/2002 9:47:38 AM PST by MudPuppy
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To: MudPuppy
You should know that I had no problem with the people praying the Rosary. But I know protestants who would have had a big problem with it.

I was walking and singing with a group of Franciscans (I think they were Franciscans) for a while. They had a banner in front of them proclaiming something about the Holy Robe. I know many protestants who would not have been able to march with that group because of that banner.

Understand, I'm not saying that either group is right or wrong. I'm just talking about sensitivities toward other faiths.

And, obviously, you and I both know that Jews would not have been able to walk behind a banner proclaiming Jesus Christ as Lord. Fortunately, I don't think they had to.

Shalom.

32 posted on 01/23/2002 10:27:44 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Lemonhead
There must have been a million.

You lemonhead! You must not have received your home study packet from the Million Man Math Foundation. There were at least 20 million people there.

Shalom.

34 posted on 01/23/2002 10:55:09 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
March bump!
36 posted on 01/23/2002 11:25:32 AM PST by patent
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To: patent


37 posted on 01/23/2002 11:33:28 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Lemonhead
LOL, There must have been 50 million people there.

Actually, there were 50 million people there in the first block!

Talk about a crowd control problem! Shalom.

38 posted on 01/23/2002 11:44:46 AM PST by ArGee
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To: jwalsh07
Where's the Tourist Guy?

Shalom.

39 posted on 01/23/2002 11:46:08 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Dutchy; StarFan; nutmeg; evilC; Exit 109
Here's the March thread, but all the photos are not up, and the ones that were there seem to have expired.
40 posted on 01/23/2002 2:48:25 PM PST by firebrand
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To: MudPuppy
Thank you Mudpuppy for the ping and also for your well said , perfect post. I agree with you sooo much !!!
41 posted on 01/23/2002 3:27:16 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: firebrand
Thanks for the ping....

You all did a wonderful job. It is an extremely worthy cause that draws people together. Reading through this thread, however, I'm sorry to see that instead of focusing on pro-life, some have seen fit to turn it into yet another "evaluation" of Catholics and our beliefs.

42 posted on 01/23/2002 3:53:19 PM PST by dansangel
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To: ArGee;firebrand
We heard one counter protester while marching up Constitution Ave. He was somewhere on the side of the road, using a voice amplifier and rambling on about how being pro-life isn't the only way to get to heaven... As firebrand mentioned, we saw around 6-12 counter protestors in front of the Supreme Court. They really were a pathetic bunch. Their signs said "Keep Abortion Legal" and "Keep Your Rosaries off my Ovaries" (not much originality on their part, as usual).

Yesterday was a beautiful, clear and unseasonably warm day and today when I left DC it was totally overcast. It was great to meet more FReepers.

43 posted on 01/23/2002 4:22:17 PM PST by ELS
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To: jwalsh07
Shoot..."Daily Account Bandwidth Exceeded" on your pictures.
44 posted on 01/23/2002 4:36:14 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: teacup
pictures - I'm begging for the pictures :)

Bump for life and nice FReepers.....

45 posted on 01/23/2002 5:10:04 PM PST by MudPuppy
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To: ArGee
God bless you all. Many of us were with you in spirit, if not in body. Maybe next year...
46 posted on 01/23/2002 6:12:56 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: MudPuppy
Shalom!

MudPuppy and Teacup, and ALL Freepers who went to Washington DC to Stand UP For:

INNOCENT LITTLE BABIES AND FOR LIFE!

Thank You...seems so empty when it comes to this issue.

So, I will say...God Bless Each And Every One Of You for taking a STAND FOR LIFE!

It is truly heartbreaking what Roe Vs. Wade - ushered into our Country...Over 40 MILLION Babies - Horrifically Murdered...almost ALL as a matter of Convenience ...Very Sad Indeed.

We cannot even begin know how our Lord's Heart Is Breaking.

Hopefully, Prayerfully one Day very Soon Infanticide will come to an END...Permanently!

Shalom

47 posted on 01/24/2002 2:50:42 AM PST by Simcha7
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To: CounterCounterCulture,MudPuppy
Pictures are back up for the time being. They only give you 8 meg per day.

Are you guys as pissed as I am about the lack of coverage from all quarters including FR? The homosexual look at me I'm walking thread got ten times the hits as this one.

48 posted on 01/24/2002 4:28:48 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
The homosexual look at me I'm walking thread got ten times the hits as this one.

What do you expect? This one attacks no deviant lifestyle for the deviants to come in and defend.

Nobody defends abortion. Sometimes they defend a right to abortion, but most of those say they would not have one.

Shalom.

49 posted on 01/24/2002 5:49:24 AM PST by ArGee
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To: dansangel
some have seen fit to turn it into yet another "evaluation" of Catholics and our beliefs.

Not beliefs, practices. I don't have any interest in challenging Catholic beliefs.

I'm sorry if my question offended you.

Shalom.

50 posted on 01/24/2002 5:51:56 AM PST by ArGee
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