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NASA extinguishes global-warming fire
Washington Times ^ | 2/3/02 | Patrick Michaels

Posted on 02/03/2002 8:09:01 AM PST by Ranger

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:37:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: VOA
For those posters/lurkers who were smart enough to not get a degree in the physical sciences...

Huh? I thought it was the squishy sciences that didn't have an intelligence requirement...

(grin)

51 posted on 02/03/2002 7:17:28 PM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: Atlantin
Very amusing that your link does not work.

How typical.

--Boris

52 posted on 02/04/2002 6:08:29 AM PST by boris
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To: Chemist_Geek
Huh? I thought it was the squishy sciences that didn't have an intelligence requirement...

(grin)


Actually, I should have attached a sarcasm/humor label to my comment.
Some days I am amazed by the tsunami of cash given to some folks who couldn't
solve a simple equation in algebra...and am then stunned by some of the comparatively
slim salaries in some of the real sciences.
Yes, I'm for the free market...and I suppose this is just part of the deal!
Being in the sciences is a good career, especially if you enjoy the search for objective truth.
But generally, it's not the field for "going for the gold".
53 posted on 02/04/2002 6:17:12 AM PST by VOA
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To: Ranger; all
Thanks here is a link to a discussion where the envirals lied again and used bad to attepmpt rural cleansing on farmers/ranchers. (Another massive lie by the enviral Nazis!)
54 posted on 02/04/2002 8:36:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
BTTT
55 posted on 02/04/2002 8:53:04 AM PST by madfly
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To: VOA
For those posters/lurkers who were smart enough to not get a degree in the physical sciences...
"Proceedings" (also known under the acronym of PNAS) is just about as good as it gets in terms of peer-reviewed journals of science.
I've helped review/edit a number of papers for review/publication by PNAS and the standards are STRINGENT.

Yes, and for that reason it might do some of those reading this thread (though I am a bit late in posting this) to read the actual paper, in PDF document form: Trends of measured climate forcing agents

I recommend reading the paragraph entitled "Carbon Dioxide" on the last page, which Michaels alludes to, in which Dr. Hansen indicates that CO2 emissions must eventually be curtailed or sequestered, "to stabilize atmospheric composition". His reasoning is that the warming which is currently occurring (with which Michaels agrees, contrary to the more vocal global-warming skeptics who claim there is no warming at all), while not likely to cause catastrophic warming, is still capable of causing significant climate change.

Hansen knows what he's doing, and I agree with what he writes. Global-warming skeptics should also, particularly now that Pat Michaels and he agree on the next-century prediction.

Note also that Hansen is predicting, if the current rate of warming continues for the entire next century, an Earth as warm as the mid-Pliocene, 2 deg C warmer than present, with sea levels 25 meters higher than today. Interesting that Michaels didn't mention those numbers in his piece, isn't it?

56 posted on 02/04/2002 12:08:48 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Note also that Hansen is predicting, if the current rate of warming continues for the
entire next century, an Earth as warm as the mid-Pliocene, 2 deg C warmer
than present, with sea levels 25 meters higher than today.
Interesting that Michaels didn't mention those numbers in his piece, isn't it?


Thanks for the heads-up. I'll have to try my best to "make time" to read the
PNAS article.
(And such an omission by Michaels doesn't sound good)
57 posted on 02/04/2002 5:02:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: Atlantin
Today it works.

And it is complete, unmitigated, extra-strength, tin-foil bilge.

--Boris

59 posted on 02/05/2002 6:36:21 AM PST by boris
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To: cogitator
Hansen Brief

His most significant statement ,IMHO, is : "These natural climate forcing agents have been joined in the past century by human-made agents, most notably "greenhouse" gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2). By trapping the Earth's thermal (heat) radiation, the added gases cause a forcing of about 2.5 watts per square meter (W/m2), about 1% as large as the 240 W/m2 of energy that the Earth absorbs from the sun.
There is strong circumstantial evidence that this positive forcing is responsible for observed global warming of about 3/4 °C in the past century."

A couple of decades of these measurements might be useful towards increased understanding of the phenomenon.

"Circumstantial evidence" is a good basis for research, but a stupid basis for any conclusions.

60 posted on 02/08/2002 9:38:17 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: cogitator
Note also that Hansen is predicting, if the current rate of warming continues for the entire next century, an Earth as warm as the mid-Pliocene, 2 deg C warmer than present, with sea levels 25 meters higher than today.

Of course it's not possible AT ALL that Hansen is as full of crap there (even given the conditional "if the current rate of warming continues") as he has been with everything else over the past 15 years.

. Interesting that Michaels didn't mention those numbers in his piece, isn't it?

Not really. There are only so many words in a newspaper column. I'm sure Michaels will take that particular claim up in written form at some point if he hasn't already.

61 posted on 02/14/2002 11:24:13 AM PST by Plummz
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To: JoeEveryman
Here's the short version... NASA will get funds from the Federal Coffers in the name of satellite technology to improve the intelligence community...they no longer have need for the Environmental bribery and scaremonger techniques...and, hence, there is no need to support unfounded Environmental positions...

Public choice theory in action. Good point.

62 posted on 02/14/2002 12:28:19 PM PST by Plummz
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To: Ranger
self bump, tx for the post!
63 posted on 05/20/2002 11:59:10 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: e_engineer
"Velikovsky died in 1979, and although his books once made the best seller lists, they are no longer in print."

You can still find both hardcover and softcover editions in most used bookstores ... a very interesting read ...

... but only if you read it as science fiction.

64 posted on 05/20/2002 12:03:43 PM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: BlueLancer
Make that "used-book stores" not "used bookstores".

Actually, I haven't purchased too many bookstores, much less used ones.

65 posted on 05/20/2002 12:06:29 PM PDT by BlueLancer
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