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Creeps On The Rampage
Sierra Times ^ | Ed Parker

Posted on 02/14/2002 6:59:52 AM PST by Sir Gawain

Creeps On The Rampage
by Ed Parker 02.13.02

In England, the Catholic church had to install glass doors on the confessionals to prevent the priests from molesting confessors. In Tuscon, the archdiocese has settled a slew of sexual abuse lawsuits for $15 million dollars. In Boston, $10 million, LA, $5.2 million, Dallas, $23.4 million.

It's not just Catholics priests, either. Scout masters, teachers, abortionists, dentists and firemen have all taken their places recently in the long lineup of predatory perverts no longer capable of concealing their crimes, despite their best efforts and those of superiors, coworkers, subordinates, and accomplices to do so.

When one of these stories breaks, the revulsion of the public and its attendant outrage is loud and harsh. We gasp in horror and disgust that there are so many of these abusers around in positions of authority and trust, and the vast majority of us just don't get it.

When you celebrate perversity and call it diversity, and you embrace the pervert agenda, you get perverts. Amazingly, despite the pervert community's inherent inability to reproduce, their numbers seem to be increasing. Some might say that this is not true, that there were always these problems in these proportions, but nobody heard about it. I have another theory. Mathematically, it looks something like this:

T(D+P) = S&G where:

T is Tolerance D is Diversity P is Perversion S is Sodom G is Gomorrah

This theory is demonstrable in a short review of recent history. Somewhere between the "free love" hedonism of the sixties and the birth of Brittany 'Oops I Did It Again Spears', a fundamental and instinctual human resistance to and abhorrence of sodomy and pedophilia was undermined by the application of relativity ethics in social programming.

Simply put, the conventional wisdom became, by media manipulation, that since everyone in America was fornicating with everyone else, it was nobody's business if some people's tastes ran toward children or animals or same-sex relationships.

Once casual sex became acceptable, deviant sex could not be far behind. The normalization of perversity guarantees its proliferation, and one day soon in America, these craven damned vampires will assemble at your windowsills calling out,

"Send us your children, that we might know them."

Like all infernal forces, unresisted, it just grows bolder, and we should not be surprised when we encounter the tragic wreckage and carnage that shows up in our newspapers.

This explosion of sexual criminality and depravity is cutting across the entire spectrum of society, but nowhere is it more dangerous and damaging than when it is perpetrated by so called spiritual leaders. In addition to these Catholic scandals, and the well known fall of TV evangelist Jim Baker, believers have recently been victimized in startling numbers by "Brother" R.G. Stair, famous for his Overcomer Ministry. Some other guy calling himself Michael is claiming to be Christ, in his commune out in New Mexico. It is a peculiar aspect of his Second Coming that he must crucify himself again on a cross of sin, enduring sexual relations with his congregation, male and female, as some sort of re-atonement for the sins of mankind.

The abomination of all this is cause enough for despair, but even moreso for the fact that there are people stupid enough to submit to these monsters. Those who needed true spiritual guidance the most were victimized most greedily.

Satan must be roaring with laughter.

What I am about to write is bound to enrage the more diligent perverts, who keep an eye on sites like Sierra Times, but, truth is truth.

When the ancient Hebrews were instructed in their laws to put perverts to death, it was for good reason. Allowed to live, they were bound to grow bold. Growing bold, they became arrogant, and shortly thereafter, oppressive. So much so, that they demanded of Lot, DEMANDED his visitors. They tried to break down his door. It is curious that there is no scriptural mention of a constabulary on hand to maintain order. If there was one, they were looking the other way.

A few years ago, a church in California was surrounded and attacked by a mob of gays. Police did nothing. When a ten year old boy was raped and suffocated by two gay men, it was ignored by the press, and now, any voice raised against the "diversity" drumbeat, like my own, will be jeered down.

One fine day in America, according to Biblical promise, the land will vomit them out. But for now, the creeps are on a rampage, and the lunatics aren't just running the asylum, they are running their opposition into it. They call the instinctive abhorrence of them "homophobia" or a hate crime, even as the pathetic abused bodies of their victims stack up like cordwood. The presidents, congressmen, judges, and governors who pander to these devils and wink at the known crimes of their colleagues, who legalize and subsidize the molestation and murder of children all have blood on their hands. Black, rectal blood.

The alleged "doctors" and "psychiatrists" who advocate imprisoning helpless children in depraved "homes" deserve a particularly hot spot in hell, because their own research and statistics tell the real, grim truth.

For Christians, there can be no condoning, no compromising where this purulent infection destroys all common sense. Either it is an abomination or it isn't. Either God is lying or He isn't. Either God exists or he doesn't. Accepting that He does exist, then He isn't lying and it is abomination. We only need to read the papers for affirmation.

If you have children, put bars on your windows.

God Bless-EP

Gen 19:4-5 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. (KJV)

Judges 19:22 22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. (KJV)


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1 posted on 02/14/2002 6:59:52 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: 2sheep; rnmomof7
ping
2 posted on 02/14/2002 7:00:10 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Were I to become king, any child molester / predator would be deprived of his / her life. To so exploit the innocent cries out for vengence.
3 posted on 02/14/2002 7:30:25 AM PST by NetValue
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To: Sir Gawain
It was just announced here where I live that two priests in this area have been 'rehabilitated' from their perversion. Even so, IF they have been, should they still be allowed to continue in their line of work? One offense should be enough to show them the door.
4 posted on 02/14/2002 7:57:02 AM PST by Boxsford
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To: Sir Gawain
Thanks for posting this, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. I have only one problem with Mr. Ed Parker - he doesn't write often enough.
5 posted on 02/14/2002 12:31:21 PM PST by pa_dweller
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To: Sir Gawain; Thinkin' Gal; TrueBeliever9; Prodigal Daughter;Orion78; Yehuda; BrooklynGOP...
>>>When you celebrate perversity and call it diversity, and you embrace the pervert agenda, you get perverts.

BTTT.  This author is correct.

BTW, Proverbs2 appears to have been banned.  What a pity.  Truth is fallen in the streets yet again.

6 posted on 02/15/2002 11:48:17 AM PST by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Great article.
7 posted on 02/15/2002 12:35:38 PM PST by mancini
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To: Sir Gawain
When a ten year old boy was raped and suffocated by two gay men

Jesse Dirkhising was 13.

8 posted on 02/15/2002 1:39:10 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Sir Gawain
The celibacy expected of Catholic Priests and Nuns is a very hard path to follow. It is amazing that more have not gone astray sexually.
9 posted on 02/15/2002 3:13:59 PM PST by Magician
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To: Magician
The celibacy expected of Catholic Priests and Nuns is a very hard path to follow. It is amazing that more have not gone astray sexually.

It is not amazing, it is called THE GRACE OF GOD which they pray for everyday, and for which Catholics all over the world should pray everyday for their priests and religious.

10 posted on 02/15/2002 3:29:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Sir Gawain
Hey, if we have to tolerate these creeps then why do we allow the lawsuits?? Shouldn't we legalize them to be tolerant?
11 posted on 02/15/2002 8:22:05 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Magician
The church didn't start that way. One of the all-timers, I forget his name, was quite perverted in the 4-5 century. Then he reformed and swore off sex. The church decided at that time that celibacy was the way to go. One day they'll probably change back.
12 posted on 02/15/2002 8:27:07 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
Electronic Journal of Human Sexuality, Volume 2, Feb. 6, 1999

www.ejhs.org

MANDATORY CELIBACY AND SEXUAL ETHICS IN THE LATIN RITE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

Part 1

CELIBACY DEFINED

Celibacy is the state of being unmarried. Chastity is the avoidance of all sexual activity outside the married state. As far as Rome is concerned, any attempt to distinguish between celibacy and chastity in the priesthood is an idle exercise in semantics. Priests who marry (without a dispensation) violate the law of the Church and the divine law of chastity. Throughout the first part of this paper, then, we will be using the word "celibacy" according to the definition proposed by theologian Leonard Weber:

"Celibacy here means not simply the fact of not being married…celibacy is here understood as the unmarried state chosen in the light of the Christian faith, and in particular as one of the duties of the state in life of the clergy of the Latin Church by which they are forbidden to marry and obliged to live in total continence." (Weber, 1975, p.178)

However, later in our paper, we hope to demonstrate that, even though celibacy (renunciation of marriage) and abstinence (renunciation of extra-marital sexual activity) have come to be identified in Roman Catholic hierarchical and populist thinking, they proceed, in fact from two separate ideologies, one born of power, the other born of sex negative asceticism. By twinning and identifying celibacy and abstinence, the Roman Catholic Church had found the perfect formula for controlling the lives of its ordained.

One common misunderstanding (evidenced by the way people speak, e.g. "He broke his vow and married") is that celibacy is a vow taken by ordained priests of the Latin Church. Celibacy is not a vow. In Roman Catholic theology, a vow is a promise made directly to God. Celibacy is an obligation imposed by the institutional Church. We notice the use of "obligation" words in the most recent Code of Canon Law where no reference is made to celibacy as a vow:

“Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and, therefore, are obliged to observe celibacy." (canon 277) And, again:

"...loss of clerical state does not entail a dispensation from the obligation of celibacy." (canon 291) (Code of Canon Law: 1983. pp. 97 & 103)

THE HEBREW TRADITION

Celibacy was not part of the Hebrew tradition. The command "Be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) was taken literally and seriously. In Israel, a large family was a divine blessing, (Genesis 22:17; Psalm 127:3-4); sterility was a terrible curse (Genesis 30:1; 1 Samuel 1:6-8); virginity was a cause for mourning (Judges 11:37). Rabbis, especially, were expected to be models of observance of God's command to "be fruitful and multiply."

THE ESSENES

As we said in the previous section, celibacy was not an integral part of the Hebrew tradition. It would seem, however, that there were groups of ascetics in Israel who renounced marriage and sexual activity. These groups were outside the mainstream of Jewish society and lived in a remote region near the Dead Sea. There is no evidence to suggest that celibacy was a requirement for membership in the Qumram community of the Essenes. A review of the available evidence makes it impossible to support the popular image of the Essenes as an all male celibate community. Philo states that the Essenes refrained from sexual activity (Hypothetica 11:14). Yet, according to Josephus, there were married and unmarried Essenes (JW 2.8, 2 and 13 #120. 160). Three of the unearthed manuscripts, (classified CD, QM and IQSA), believed to be from the community's library, refer to the presence of women and children in the community. The skeletal remains of women were found in the community's cemetery (Brown, Raymond, 1968, p.554).

The most that can be said, then, is that the Qumram community of Essenes was composed of married and unmarried males and females. Therefore, when the Church holds up the Essenes in support of celibacy, as an example of "our ancient tradition" of celibacy, we should know that for one thing, the evidence points to the Qumram community as having a membership of married and unmarried, and, secondly, that there is no evidence at all that MANDATORY celibacy was a requirement for membership in the Essene community.

THE NAZARITES

Groups who took temporary vows were known as Nazarites. The Book of Numbers (6:2-21) lays down specific instructions for Nazarites: they were to abstain from alcoholic drink, even wine, they were to avoid all contact with corpses and they were not to cut their hair. We mention the Nazarites here because some historians stretch the data to make a case for celibacy. Henri Daniel-Rops, for example, writes: "And the Nazarites would vow celibacy or at least continence for a given length of time." (Daniel-Rops, 1962, p.116) The Book of Numbers gives no instructions about sexual abstinence for Nazarites and Henri Daniel-Rops quotes no source for this assertion. The same author is even more outrageous when he refers to female Nazarites (again, giving no source): "It is probable that some young women even took a vow of virginity, either for life or for a certain time. Our Lady's reply to the angel of the Lord has often been interpreted as meaning that the future mother of Christ had made a promise of this kind." (ibid. p. 397).

Although we know that Nazarites existed at the time of Jesus (Matthew 15:5; Mark 7:11), there is no evidence that they were either celibate or sexually inactive and no evidence that celibacy was mandated for Nazarites. Therefore, the practice of taking Nazarite vows was not linked to marriage in any way.

JESUS AND CELIBACY

Jamake Highwater writes: "Of course, Jesus did not invent celibacy. It existed among Jews, such as the strictly ascetic Essene sect of Palestine as well as the Therapeutae monastic groups in Egypt. But such celibate Jews were considered extremists by the majority of their fellow Jews." Having stated that Jesus did not "invent celibacy", Highwater adds: "Though trained in Jewish tradition Jesus himself was responsible for radically changing traditional attitudes about celibacy." (Highwater, 1990. pp. 112, 113).

Elaine Pagels would appear to agree with Highwater that Jesus did introduce a revolutionary approach to celibacy in spite of having been reared in the strong Jewish tradition of marriage/fertility/family: "by subordinating the obligation to procreate, rejecting divorce, and implicitly sanctioning monogamous relationships, Jesus reverses traditional Jewish priorities, declaring, in effect, that other obligations, including marital ones. are now more important than procreation. Even more startling, Jesus endorses -- and exemplifies – a new possibility and one he says is even better: rejecting both marriage and procreation in favor of voluntary celibacy, for the sake of following him into the new age." (Pagels, 1988).

There are some "heavy" words in the statements of Highwater and Pagels that we take issue with. We disagree with Highwater that Jesus "radically" changed traditional attitudes about celibacy. We find nothing to suggest that Jesus, after his death, left behind a Jewish people engaged in heated debate over the new issue of the day, celibacy. We disagree with Pagels that Jesus proposed celibacy as a better choice than marriage. Jesus saw celibacy as a legitimate option and one that could be used in the service of the kingdom. His cousin John the Baptizer had chosen that option. But, after praising his celibate cousin, Jesus added: "Yet, the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he is." (Matthew 11:11). Jesus does not make celibacy the measure of spiritual greatness.

We agree that Jesus recognized celibacy as a legitimate option, provided it were chosen for the right reason: ."...there are eunuchs who have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 19:12). And, we agree that Jesus did not mention procreation as one of the purposes of marriage. We find his omission of any mention of marriage-for-procreation much more significant than his acceptance of the celibate lifestyle. The Jewish people knew about the Qumram community and, taking their strong tradition for marriage /family into account, probably regarded these desert inhabitants as "oddballs', or as sinners who did not carry out God's command to "Be fruitful and multiply." Jesus, always the champion of those on the fringes, was calling on people to be tolerant of those who were different, especially when their intentions were honorable. Therefore, as we stated, we find it much more surprising that Jesus mentioned the unitive but not the procreative purpose of marriage. But, really, this should not be surprising either because, when speaking of marriage, Jesus referred back to the original purpose of marriage in Genesis where the unitive purpose ("not good to be alone") was stated before the command to be fruitful.

To return to the question before us: is there anything in the preaching of Jesus that would support MANDATORY celibacy? We answer with a definite no! His qualifying remark makes that clear: "Let anyone accept this who can." (Mt. 19:12).

WAS JESUS HIMSELF CELIBATE?

The Christian Church has worked with the presumption that Jesus never married, never engaged in sexual activity. Roman Catholic theologian Joan Timmerman, speaking of that presumption writes: " ... the tradition of Jesus' celibacy derives from later devotional rather than biblical or theological sources authoritative in the early communities. Timmerman concludes: "Scholars also point out the obvious, that to argue from omission is weak. On both sides, those who assume Jesus' celibacy and those who argue for a more conventional lifestyle for his time, all that can be gathered is supposition, not fact." (Timmerman, 1992. pp. 29 & 30).

Taking this a step further, another contemporary Roman Catholic theologian, Rosemary Radford Rueter, suggests that behind the image of Jesus-the-celibate-male lies an imbedded sexism that seeks to support a social system that affords men dominance and privilege. Consequently, the gospel is not seen as a protest but merely as having "social symbolic significance in the framework of societies of patriarchal privilege." "The protest of the gospels", she writes, "is directed at the concrete sociological realities in which maleness and femaleness are elements, along with class, ethnicity, religious office, and law, that define the network of social status." (Ruether, 1983. p.137).

Once a connection between sex and sin had been established, the thought of a non celibate Jesus was anathema to the Church Fathers of the first centuries. Jesus, after all, was not only a priest, he was the High Priest. As St. Ambrose wrote: "The ministerial office must be kept pure and unspotted and must not be defiled by coitus." (St. Ambrose, "Duties of Clergy" 1, 258).

Iranaeus (d. 202) held that Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for copulating, and that Jesus redeemed the world by not copulating. (St. Iranaeus, "Against Heresies" 5, 19, 1)

These early theologians found support in various Greek philosophies (Stoicism, Gnosticism, Manichaeism) that regarded the (pure) soul as a prisoner of the (vile) body. Body negative philosophies, coupled with sex negative theologies, created a climate of thought that made the marriage of Jesus unthinkable. The Gospel of Phillip from the second century, which refers to Magdalen as the spouse of Jesus, is dismissed as apocryphal.

We can only conclude that those who hold that Jesus lived the celibate life are going on a presumption with no facts to substantiate that position. On the other hand, those who propose that Jesus was non celibate are also reliant on presumption. So, to present Jesus as a model for celibates is to go beyond what the facts allow. We agree with Joan Timmerman that the celibacy or non celibacy of Jesus is a matter of "supposition, not fact."

PAUL ON CELIBACY

"The zealot of celibacy was the Christian disciple Paul," writes Jamake Highwater (op. cit. p.113). We find the word "zealot" somewhat extreme since zealots are not known to be tolerant of options. Paul was not a man to exclude options. Referring to his own celibate state , Paul said: “I should like everyone to be like me" but, in un-zealot fashion, adds: "About remaining celibate, I have no directions from the Lord." (1 Corinthians 7:7 and 7:25) Reay Tannahill claims that: "He (Paul) was perhaps the first thinker in Western history to equate spirituality with sex." We dispute the word "equate." If he equated spirituality with sex he would not have encouraged bishops to be faithful to their wives (I Timothy 3:1). How much more direct could Paul be than when he wrote: “But if you marry, it is no sin."? (I Corinthians 7:28). Roman Catholic theologian, Dick Westley, believes that the Church so focused on I Corinthians 7, which could be accommodated to suit Stoic values, that it downplayed the call for equality in Ephesians 5. "It was a costly move for which Catholics are still paying," writes Wesley, “for it laid the foundation for what we called earlier in this book the church's rather crude and primitive understandings of natural law. What is so ironic about the whole thing is that although it has become 'the Catholic tradition,' in reality it isn't 'Christian,' but Platonic and Stoic in origin." (Westley, 1984. p.174).

Paul did not connect sexuality and sin as is clear from his statements about marriage. However, it could be argued that he connected sexuality and grace by building "a holiness pyramid" with sex as its base: sex with Temple prostitutes is unholy; the marriage of Christians is holy; virginity and celibacy are holiest. Virginity and celibacy he regarded as charisms, not possessed by everyone, not even by everyone ordained (as the law of MANDATORY celibacy presupposes). "I should like everyone to be like me, but everyone has his own particular gifts from God..." (I Corinthians 7:7) Commentators, like Stephen Sapp, believe that what Paul has to say about celibacy must be interpreted in the light of Paul's eschatology. Paul was pre-occupied with the End Time which he believed was imminent. In effect, Paul was saying: "The End Time is at hand. Be prepared. If you are married, stay married. If you are single, stay single. Don't complicate your lives because the Lord is about to return." As Stephen Sapp puts it: "Paul's thought was largely determined by his very strong eschatological expectation of the imminent return of Christ. (Sapp, 1977.p.69). Nothing that Paul says supports the law of MANDATORY celibacy.

CHURCH FATHERS

ST. JEROME (331-419) was the most ardent advocate of celibacy. Henry Charles Lea surmises that Jerome, who was familiar with Buddhism, may have been influenced by its religious folklore, especially by the story of Maya and her husband taking a vow of chastity so that she might give birth to the Buddha in purity. Jerome, according to the same author, regarded Peter as a lesser saint that John because Peter was married and John wasn't. (Lea, 1966. p. 26 ff). Jerome considered marriage an invention of Satan and encouraged married couples who converted to Christianity to renounce their marriage vows: "How many there are who, by consent between themselves, cancel the debt of their marriage, eunuchs of their own accord through the desire of the kingdom of heaven." (Goldberg, 1958. p.186).

ST. AUGUSTINE (354-430 AD), after living a robust sexual life, became a strong advocate of celibacy. "Augustine imbibed the dualistic metaphysics of Gnosticism, splitting body and spirit, this world and the other world. Sex was always tainted, even in marriage, because the sin of Adam was passed on by intercourse and conception. Concupiscence was a punishment for the Fall. The only way to redeem oneself was through abstinence (Feuerstein, 1989, p.89). In order to be true to his own logic, Augustine had to be an advocate of celibacy since he considered an erect penis a visible sign of man's inner revolt against God, and the ordained must stand humbly before their God at all times. Interpreting Augustine's thought, Foucault writes: "...sex in erection is the image of man revolted against God. The arrogance of sex is the punishment and consequence of the arrogance of man." (Foucault, 1985)

When the teachings of Jerome and Augustine became the dominant sexual ethic of the Western Church, the foundation was laid for the introduction of MANDATORY celibacy.

13 posted on 02/15/2002 8:35:46 PM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
You're thinking of St. Augustine.
14 posted on 02/15/2002 8:41:06 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: Sir Gawain
BTTT!
15 posted on 02/16/2002 7:25:03 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: *SASU; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC; RebelDawg...
Boing
16 posted on 02/16/2002 7:31:07 AM PST by Khepera
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To: 2sheep
Thanks for the ping, it's a good article. I don't understand the parents that allow their children out of their sight with anyone long enough for them to be molested. I can't see me ever trusting my son alone with any one.
17 posted on 02/16/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Calico Cat
Thanx. I picked it up when I read the article I posted. History channel ran a 5-6 hour history of the catholic church. Very interesting. Food for thought for folks who don't think the church changes.
18 posted on 02/16/2002 8:19:31 AM PST by breakem
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To: MissAmericanPie
There was a time in the church when folks wanted their kids to be altar boys. It was a time when trust was more prevelant. Pity that that trust has evaporated because some priests couldn't keep their hands and other parts off.

--altar boy at age 7.

19 posted on 02/16/2002 8:21:34 AM PST by breakem
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To: breakem
It is a shame and a disgrace that the Church has so fallen from it's first love that a homosexual will be accepted as a priest, something unheard of at one time. The Boy Scouts are the only ones brave enough to stand up against it and still at times pedophiles manage to sneak in under the radar.
20 posted on 02/16/2002 12:36:27 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: 2sheep
YEP
21 posted on 02/16/2002 1:08:20 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: MissAmericanPie
They've always been there and I think the church has known this for a long time. It just seems like everyone has to declare it and march in parades.

I think the molesting has been going on and it's not restricted to homos, but the church just transferred people and swept it under the rug. This may lead to a purging which will result in a purification. We'll see.

22 posted on 02/16/2002 1:43:26 PM PST by breakem
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To: SuziQ
The celibacy expected of Catholic Priests and Nuns is a very hard path to follow. It is amazing that more have not gone astray sexually.

Somehow I do not see it as a celibacy problem. If it was, there are many " ladies" out there to accomodate them in the evenings if that is what it is about. I believe it is more of a pedeophile problem, and there is no cure for that from what I have read.

23 posted on 02/16/2002 1:49:57 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: TrueBeliever9; MissAmericanPie; Prodigal Daughter; DreamWeaver; babylonian
...believers have recently been victimized in startling numbers by "Brother" R.G. Stair, famous for his Overcomer Ministries

What is all of this about?  We are not on any lists or rumor mills and don't listen to the radio so we know nothing about any charges, true or false.  There have always been false brethren accusing true brethren.  King James who got out the KJB was falsely accused of all sorts of things, for example.  Does anyone know anything about R.G. Stair?  I had heard that he was pretty right on, so if someone is accusing him falsely (a satanic device), it would be good that someone defended him and the truth.  There are of course ministers who were doing sinful things and have been exposed, as they should have been.  I did a quick google search and came up with the usual "heresy hunters", including Alnor, and consider most of them are false and without the spirit...but I digress.

24 posted on 02/16/2002 2:55:01 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: DreamWeaver; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; babylonian
Somehow I do not see it as a celibacy problem.

Right.  It is a sin problem and God is causing their sin to be made manifest so you can know by their fruit that they are FALSE! 

Mt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Gal. 5:19 and ff describes the fruit and Rev 21:8 says they are bound for the lake of fire.  They are being revealed by the Lord who sees the thoughts and intents of every heart so you can clean house of false leaders or get yourself out of that house (church).  The options are to be clean, righteous, holy *or* to be filthy still.  God is not a handholder who has lowered His standards and Grace is not an excuse for continuing in sin.  God forbid!  He requires purity in those who represent Him.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, :18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

25 posted on 02/16/2002 3:16:30 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: MissAmericanPie
>>>The Boy Scouts are the only ones brave enough to stand up against it and still at times pedophiles manage to sneak in under the radar.

Antinomianism produces people with no radar.  They wist not... knew not and the flood of deception from Satan's mouth came and took them away.  The Lord will not hear them and they can't hear Him because they refuse to follow; hence, no radar.

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

26 posted on 02/16/2002 3:59:27 PM PST by 2sheep
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To: breakem
Very interesting. I have always wondered why the Catholic Church insisted upon celibacy. The Eastern Orthodox are not celibate, are they? And, I'm Episcopalian (Anglican) priests were allowed to marry at least since Henry VIII.
27 posted on 02/16/2002 4:12:20 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: DreamWeaver
Somehow I do not see it as a celibacy problem. ...I believe it is more of a pedeophile problem, and there is no cure for that from what I have read.

Exactly!

28 posted on 02/16/2002 4:30:37 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Sir Gawain
What I am about to write is bound to enrage the more diligent perverts, who keep an eye on sites like Sierra Times...

Good.

29 posted on 02/16/2002 6:31:02 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: NetValue
Were I to become king, any child molester / predator would be deprived of his / her life.

Being that imperfect human beings are not perfect judges, thus implying a possibility of convicting the innocent, I would put predators behind bars for life, since their crimes seem to have a pathological basis.

30 posted on 02/16/2002 6:36:41 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 2sheep
For edification, what does Proverbs 2 say?
31 posted on 02/16/2002 6:39:00 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Khepera
Boing

HEY! This is a family site! Now go to your room!

32 posted on 02/16/2002 6:40:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
...I would put predators behind bars for life, since their crimes seem to have a pathological basis.

With each other.

33 posted on 02/16/2002 6:47:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sir Gawain
Great article!

Ed Parker is even more cynical than me.
He is, of course, on the money here but he needs to see that there are a whole lot of good and decent people in the world, not just perverts, liberals, and child molesters, etc.

In the meantime, there is always the Second Amendment. The creeps aren't going to bother me.

34 posted on 02/16/2002 6:54:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
LOL your one step ahead of me on this.
35 posted on 02/16/2002 7:38:54 PM PST by Khepera
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To: 2sheep
Right. It is a sin problem and God is causing their sin to be made manifest so you can know by their fruit that they are FALSE!

Amen.

36 posted on 02/17/2002 12:00:59 PM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: Sir Gawain;khepera
When you celebrate perversity and call it diversity, and you embrace the pervert agenda, you get perverts. Amazingly, despite the pervert community's inherent inability to reproduce, their numbers seem to be increasing. Some might say that this is not true, that there were always these problems in these proportions, but nobody heard about it.

Very true, once perversion and deviant behavior becomes the "norm", we are in for a totally perverted society.

On a side note, here is definition of diversity

Diversity: A way to show bias, bigotry and discrimination against the majority. To discriminate against logic in the name of being PC...

Diversity is BIGOTRY in it's most corrupt form!!! Ask any caucasion man trying to get a job in todays society.

37 posted on 02/18/2002 6:50:43 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: Sir Gawain
So much so, that they demanded of Lot, DEMANDED his visitors.

The author neglects to mention that Lot, this Godly man, this prophet, VOLUNTEERED his virgin daughters instead.

What a brave guy. What an example.

/barf

38 posted on 02/18/2002 7:26:36 AM PST by jimt
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To: Khepera
Satan is laughing, but I know who gets the last laugh.

Once you tinker with social order, there is no telling what you will get. All those libertarians who ask "why not?" should be much quicker to ask "why?" When you tinker with something that has worked well for millennia, you should have an outstandingly good reason for tinkering with it. Otherwise, leave well enough alone.

Shalom.

39 posted on 02/18/2002 8:10:51 AM PST by ArGee
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To: Lancey Howard
With each other.

Why should they be allowed to be in cells with professional colleauges? Wouldn't a bull queer be a more appropriate cellmate to ram the point home, so to speak, if you are into crude cellmate arrangements?

40 posted on 02/18/2002 12:08:27 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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