They Will Deport Themselves

February 16th, 2002 | Sabertooth

[MeekOneGOP]

They Will Deport Themselves
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[Sabertooth]

A Guest Worker program is just another name for Amnesty. The illegals know how to game our system very well with phony documents, payoffs and anchor babies.

It doesn't have to be... and we have Guest Worker programs now.

I don't have any problems with Guest Workers or legal immigrants who play by the rules and pay their own way. I think the threat of asset forfeiture would be a huge disincentive to those who would game our system.

Throw on 5 to 10 years for documentation violations, with permanent sanctions... How's that?

[stands2reason]

I'm not much of a libertarian, but every time I see the term "RICO" I get a shudder down my spine. I'd actually prefer for that big ole nasty weapon to rust away in the toolshed. Makes the guillotine look like a hair trimmer.

[Nea Wood]

Brilliant idea, bump.

[Navy Patriot]

Actually, my proposal was more institutional

I saw that, and I couldn't help myself, I tweaked it a bit. I agree that overzealous abuse is probably certain in the long run, and a mechanism would be needed to deal with it. More immediate is my belief that a great many INS and Border Patrol line agents are NOT corrupt and want to do a good job and obey the Constitution while enforcing the law with vigor, but they are hobbled by politically motivated superiors. A bounty situation might get this moving.

It is interesting to note that RICO statutes contain effectively a court approved bounty for civillians to collect, as does much enviromental legislation.

[WRhine]

If I have to pick between two bad choices, I'll take an economic depression over a second civil war, which is where this immivasion is leading to.

Absolutely right. Besides, no matter what shape the economy is in we will always hear this same argument from the open border crowd. If we someday find ourselves in a civil war to reclaim lost territories to a Greater Mexico the resulting strife, hardship and economic losses will make the great depression of the 30s look like a picnic; to say nothing of the many thousands of Americans that would be killed when we try to take back what we foolishly gave away.

And at what point do we Americans start thinking about the sort of America we will be leaving for our kids and future generations? We had the Great Generation of WWII that won the war and put America on top of the world. What will Our Generation be known for? The generation that p*ssed all this away for cheap labor and one-way trade deals?

[WRhine]

It doesn't have to be... and we have Guest Worker programs now.

And they have never worked as intended. Too many gamers in the system that find ways to circumvent our immigration laws. If the anchor baby laws were nullified, I'd probably give this idea more consideration but I don't see this ever happening.

[Sabertooth]

I'd be willing to give ground on Guest Workers, even without the elimination of the anchor babies for now, if it would get us to asset forfeiture and deportation.

Since the system gamers and anchor babies are already here, this would be a net win, big-time, against the illegals.

[stands2reason]

You know, of course, that these people have papers. And, unfortunately, restaurant managers aren't expert forgery detectors. They may be good, but they're not experts. And I believe the law doesn't have the expectation that they be so. Also, the managers can be accused of discrimination if they try to avoid hiring "documented" immigrants. So how'd you like to be the prosecutor on that case?

[Godel]

This is a great idea. They continue to violate our laws because the payoff is too good. Assets should be confiscated from illegals, its the only way to provide a strong incentive not to spit on our country by violating our laws. Why should Mexicans get to come here illegally when other honest people wait in line, learn the language, history and become a citizen the legal way. The fact that their criminal and hateful conduct is not only tolerated but rewarded sickens me.

[Flyer]

Very interesting idea.

Bump

[Sabertooth]

You know, of course, that these people have papers. And, unfortunately, restaurant managers aren't expert forgery detectors. They may be good, but they're not experts. And I believe the law doesn't have the expectation that they be so. Also, the managers can be accused of discrimination if they try to avoid hiring "documented" immigrants. So how'd you like to be the prosecutor on that case?

All good poiints... We don't want to destroy employers who acted in good faith on the basis of fraudulent documents. But good faith defenses protect merchants against prosecustion aginst fraudulent or forged IDs used for liquor purchases. We could provide the same safeguards for honest employers.

Guest Worker smart ID cards would help.

[sarcasm]

What would really help is national employer Social Security number verification for new employees. While we are at it, we could demand re-verification of legal status of all employees with such a program. Heavy sanctions, including jail time, could be imposed on both the employees who hire illegals and illegals who apply for, or hold jobs.

[tangerine]

Start an online petition like is being done for this...

[sarcasm]

Oops, should be employers who hire illegals.

[janetgreen]

BUMP for Sabertooth. I think that all employers in the U.S. should be put on notice that if they continue to hire illegals, they will be slapped with a huge fine (millions). That should help to dampen their enthusiasm for slave labor.

Do we have a President or a Congress who has the stones to do this? No, they're bought and paid for to do just the opposite.

[tangerine]

Sorry, I posted too soon. Here's the link.
Flag Raising Petition

[tangerine]

Sorry, I posted too soon. Here's the link.
Flag Raising Petition
The site that hosts this petition will host others. It is a marketing site however and the names collected are no doubt used for spamming. Jim Robertson could host something similar on freerepublic - without the spamming connection. Then people might be more willing to sign it.

[Travis McGee]

Put the BATF in charge of deportations: the illegals will all be gone or dead in one month.

[AzJohn]

This is an intriguing idea. I think this is worth a try, but I don't think it would lead to a mass exodus.

Why I think it would affect only a small percentage of illegals: 1. A lot of illegals, I suspect, don't have much in the way of assets. Those that do will change their behavior, either by accumulating their assets back in their country of origin, or by arranging to place assets under someone else's name. 2. Those who do have assets will probably have some kind of phony documentation. And will also tend to know about lawyers. I don't know exactly how immigration hearings work, but there must be some sort of due process. All this means it will take lawyers and other resources in order to prove the government's case against these people.

I think it would be worth a try though I think it would touch only a small percentage of people. There would be some value in having a steady stream of these cases in the newspaper. It would reinforce the idea that illegal immigration is a criminal activity. And it's a step in the right direction.