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How about the .44 special?
me | 2/19/02 | Detailer

Posted on 02/19/2002 6:45:09 AM PST by DETAILER

Hi everyone- just a short request for info from fellow Freepers. I just got the opportunity to purchase a Charter Arms .44 special bulldog- from a friend that has owned it for years and not shot it in years, who now finds himself in a little cash crunch. I can get it cheap! I've never shot the .44 special and wanted to hear any opinions about it out there. It's a short barrel, I know it won't be accurate much more than room distance, but that's exactly what I want it for. What do you all think?


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1 posted on 02/19/2002 6:45:09 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: DETAILER
Well, I don't know why this came up in breaking news- I didn't mean for it to - sorry 'bout that!
2 posted on 02/19/2002 6:46:50 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: DETAILER
Word of warning: Do not post requests like this in breaking news.

I have never fired a .44 so I couldn't personally give good advice on the matter. I have always been wary about buying used firearms without testing them out, however.

3 posted on 02/19/2002 6:47:42 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: sneakypete
Weren't you looking for one of these?
4 posted on 02/19/2002 6:49:37 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: DETAILER
Keep bullets in it or trade it for a crow bar! Ha!
5 posted on 02/19/2002 6:49:57 AM PST by Chapita
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To: DETAILER
Purchase ear protection along with eye protection as with all short barrels, powder is the concern to the shooter. My sister has one Smith and Wesson and it is a dream to shoot. I happen to own a Model 29 S&W with 8 3/8" barrel which I treasure. For home protection I still say shotgun unless you want to shoot through walls. Have a nice day sounds like a great deal
6 posted on 02/19/2002 6:51:15 AM PST by cav68
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To: DETAILER
I know it won't be accurate much more than room distance, but that's exactly what I want it for.

Whoever's bugging you in your room will probably be gone by the time you buy it.

7 posted on 02/19/2002 6:51:35 AM PST by VoiceOfBruck
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To: cav68
Yeah - I've got a twelve guage- up on a rack on the wall- I could put this pistol within reach without getting out of the bed.
8 posted on 02/19/2002 6:55:31 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: DETAILER
The .44 Special, as loaded today, is a weak sister. And, it is designed to be shot in 5 to 6 inch barrel guns. It is kept downloaded in deference to all the old 44 special revolvers out there.

There probably are specialty loads out there, CorBon?, who hot load it.

In either case you, hand-wrist-ears, will definately know when it goes off in a short barreled light gun.

9 posted on 02/19/2002 6:57:58 AM PST by TOMH1
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To: DETAILER
It's an ok weapon. It doesn't have as much recoil as the 44 mag. I wouldn't consider it a target gun, but it would work for self defense. I prefer a 45 ACP or the 45 Long Colt, but I would get one if it is really cheap.
10 posted on 02/19/2002 7:01:37 AM PST by Brewer
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To: DETAILER
It's a great piece, however, it's blast will scare the crap out of both you and any intruder. I kid you not. I was firing mine at the gun range and others were stopping to ask if I was using a .44. Gotta agree with cav68 . . . I use a Browning BPS 12gage pump for home protection.
11 posted on 02/19/2002 7:04:04 AM PST by w_over_w
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To: DETAILER
Personally, I would jump at the chance to buy any firearm when the following rules apply:
  1. price is right
  2. the gun functions
  3. it's going to be unregistered
  4. it's clean, not used in a crime

12 posted on 02/19/2002 7:05:20 AM PST by sparkomatic
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To: DETAILER
You seem to indicate you want this for home defense. If that's the case, this is the wrong gun... for several reasons. First of all, a .44 Magnum is a mighty powerful gun. It has enough velocity to go clear through your house and the neighbors house if you should miss. Which brings me to point two: the liklihood that you would miss your target with this gun is high. Think about it; short barrel, probably shooting in the dark (if God forbid you're shooting at an intruder), at a relatively small and moving target.

I think for home defense you'd be much better off with a shotgun with a medium length barrel. A Mossberg 500 in 20 or 12 guage is ideal. Just the sound of racking a round in the chamber is unmistakable to any intruder. It's likely you'll never have to fire a shot and the only mess you'll have to clean up is from where your visitor wet himself as he was diving for the window.


13 posted on 02/19/2002 7:06:00 AM PST by tdadams
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To: DETAILER
Haven't owned a Charter Arms 44 but did carry their 38 snub nose as a backup piece...very nice weapon. A 44 would be fine for in close as 90% of confrontations will be within 20- 30 feet. Grab it !
14 posted on 02/19/2002 7:10:45 AM PST by Marobe
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To: DETAILER
Buy it. The Charter Arms Bulldog was out of production for years and is now back - older ones were often carried as backups by deer hunters for finishing shots - they're light and powerful. As someone already pointed out, muzzle blast from a short-barrelled revolver in this caliber is prodigious. It's an excellent (but slightly bulky) carry piece - if a .44 special isn't enough cartridge for the social situation you're in you probably need a long gun anyhow.

A couple of things to check to ensure that it's a good piece - grab the cylinder and try to rotate it with the hammer down. Excessive play will mean that the firearm needs a visit to Mr. Smith. Examine the barrel for pits and shadows which will indicate a corrosion problem. Take a look at the back end of the barrel - the "forcing cone" - for signs of lead deposits which will indicate misalignment of the cylinder and barrel upon firing. If these all check out (and I suspect they might) and you don't want to buy the piece...email me!

16 posted on 02/19/2002 7:14:48 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DETAILER
I have wanted one of these for years. It's a great self-defense caliber, compact and reliable with not too much recoil. I saw a couple at a gun show recently for $250-300. I want to find one cheap too!
17 posted on 02/19/2002 7:19:11 AM PST by Sender
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To: tdadams
It's a 44 special not 44 magnum, big difference. I would buy it, 44 special is easy to shoot and it's a good self-defense round. C
18 posted on 02/19/2002 7:19:32 AM PST by C-Note
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To: Marobe
Price wasn't mentioned, but if its $300 or less and 90 percent good condition, I'd buy it. It would be nice if it were unregistered (never been re-sold through a gun store).
In the house ? Use a shotgun. My favorite is the A-5 Browning.
19 posted on 02/19/2002 7:19:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Marobe
I am thinking of buying a .40 cal. Any one have any thoughts on the .40???
20 posted on 02/19/2002 7:20:37 AM PST by Axelsrd
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To: Billthedrill
Nice belly gun. Load it with inverted wadcutters...
21 posted on 02/19/2002 7:21:35 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: tdadams
Well said!
22 posted on 02/19/2002 7:22:26 AM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
$100!!!

I can't possibly go wrong! It looks like it's hardly been fired. The guy selling to me used to carry it, as someone mentioned, as a backup while deer hunting. The gun has some finish wear but the bore is absolutely clean and cylinder feels great. I got a deal, he just needs some cash right now.

23 posted on 02/19/2002 7:32:09 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: bologna.com
That sound is for the movies...... all of my guns are fully loaded (including one in the chamber. The first sound you hear may be the last.
24 posted on 02/19/2002 7:37:24 AM PST by Feckless
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To: DETAILER
I got a deal, he just needs some cash right now.

Why are you still posting??...Get Moving!!

FMCDH

25 posted on 02/19/2002 7:39:32 AM PST by nothingnew
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To: Axelsrd
I am thinking of buying a .40 cal. Any one have any thoughts on the .40???

Fast round with a sharp thwak to the hand. 50 rounds will probably leave your hand "ringing." Not the most pleasant to shoot. I prefer a soft shove like a 45 gives to the sharp sting of a .40. Good round in a small package. Pretty effective.

Also a 357 out of a 6 inch (even a 4 inch) barrel using 110 grain bullets is very pleasant to shoot (and therefore practice with).

26 posted on 02/19/2002 7:39:49 AM PST by joeyman
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To: DETAILER
I have two, a blue "original" Bulldog from the old Charter Arms Co. and a stainless steel from the "new" one. I just shot 248 out of 250 on my CCW re-cert with the stainless. I got the stainless on AuctionArms.com NIB for $210.

I am curious what the effect of two 220 gr JHP rounds to the chest of a would be carjacker at the same time would be like..... I am hoping the excessive muzzle flash(es) would not cauterize the wound(s)..... or at least only the entry wounds :->

27 posted on 02/19/2002 7:46:38 AM PST by Feckless
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To: DETAILER
Buy it. Buy it now. Then go purchase some Glaser Safety Slug ammo for it. A large-bore revolver stuffed with frangible projectiles is close to the ideal home defense handgun. No overpenetration issues indoors (Glaser is supplying ammo for the Sky Marshalls).
29 posted on 02/19/2002 7:59:39 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: nothingnew
Why are you still posting??...Get Moving!!

OK! I got it! It's mine now, done deal.

30 posted on 02/19/2002 8:18:54 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: bologna.com
I dearly loved the 1100 I used to carry to the field for pheasants but had only fair to good luck hitting birds (and no luck with the 20 ga. 1100 LW I got for quail.
This all changed when I stepped up to the A-5. I had a customer with me when I took this old style humpback out of the box and hit 42 out of 50 sporting clays THE VERY FIRST TIME.
Heavy ? Yeah, but somehow, that squared off receiver design gets my eye on the target quicker than the smoother Remington design.
31 posted on 02/19/2002 8:27:56 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DETAILER
OK! I got it! It's mine now, done deal.

GOOD!...I'll give you $115.00 for it right now...

FMCDH

33 posted on 02/19/2002 9:02:59 AM PST by nothingnew
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.I'll give you $115.00 for it right now...

Ha!- sorry friend, this one is now officially out of circulation for the rest of it's life. As you would put it, and rightly so, FMCDH

Have a great day!

34 posted on 02/19/2002 9:29:55 AM PST by DETAILER
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To: bologna.com
The nice old ones are made in Belgium. Later guns were made in Japan. I've got a couple Belgium-mades which I can no longer bare to take to the field. But I can take the Japanese gun (no collector's value) through brush and the woods and not worry about a scratch on the bbl or scrape on the stock.
My uncle had been after me to switch and virtually guaranteed an improvement in shooting. He was 100 percent right on. The only minus is A-5s are heavy and kick for real. Make sure you have the stock to your shoulder, not the muscle of your right arm. (Yow !)
35 posted on 02/19/2002 9:30:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DETAILER
Have a great day!

And right back at ya!...enjoy your new purchase, and keep yer powder dry!

FMCDH truly!

36 posted on 02/19/2002 10:38:27 AM PST by nothingnew
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I don't own any Charter Arms weapons but"The Son of Sam"&John Hinckley swear by them!As far as the .44 Special cartridge is concerned,it is WEAK!!I have two Model 629's(.44 Rem.Magnum).If you have a .44 Rem.Magnum weapon,you can shoot either cartridge.God Luck and God Bless
37 posted on 02/19/2002 3:27:49 PM PST by bandleader
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Weren't you looking for one of these?

No,I used to have one of these things in the mid-70's,and you couldn't thraten me to make me buy another one. I sold mine to a guy I didn't like. SOS shot loose in fewer than 200 rounds.

What I'm looking for is another stainless steel Rossi with a 3 inch barrell.

38 posted on 02/19/2002 3:30:20 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: DETAILER
A plus for the non-magnum is that the brass will hold up for a lot of reloads. You will need the usual equipment, press, dies, etc.
39 posted on 02/19/2002 3:33:58 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: DETAILER
I don't see the .44 Special at all. Recoil - even in a steel-frame snubbie - is hellish. Ammo is hard to find - and your choices are limited. The gun itself dwarfs smaller-caliber snubbies. I'd vastly prefer a good .357 snubbie like the Ruger SP101, loaded with good .38 Special loads, instead. I've tested one and don't like it.

GUN REVIEWS free from ad-money bias - including .44 Special snubbies and Ruger's SP101

40 posted on 02/19/2002 3:34:36 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: TOMH1
The .44 Special, as loaded today, is a weak sister. And, it is designed to be shot in 5 to 6 inch barrel guns. It is kept downloaded in deference to all the old 44 special revolvers out there.

This may have been true as recently as the early 1960's,but it's not true anymore. Win Silvertip 200gr JCP's are supposed to run somewhere around 900fps out of a 4 inch barrell,so a 3 inch barrel isn't that much of a handicap. I'm going to have to dig out my chronograph one day and clock them out of my Rossi. I know they expand like a champ out of my Rossi. The high-pressure version of the 44 Special is called the 44 Magnum.

In either case you, hand-wrist-ears, will definately know when it goes off in a short barreled light gun.

Whoever told you this has never shot one. The average 10 year old girl could shoot one with no discomfort.

41 posted on 02/19/2002 3:37:18 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: tdadams
Just the sound of racking a round in the chamber is unmistakable to any intruder.

You're right. This sound is GUARANTEED to not only give away your position to a now-terrified intruder,but if he's armed it's likely he will open fire on you right then. Racking a slide is not a real clever tactical move. Waiting until you need the gun is not the time to be loading it.

42 posted on 02/19/2002 3:41:43 PM PST by sneakypete
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I agree SP. I think a lot of people are confusing the 44 special with the 44 mag. A friend of mine has a ruger 357 with a 6" barrel and shooting 38 special +p from it is a pleasure. I haven't shot 44 special, but I imagine it's about the same recoil wise as the 38 +p. Yes, anyone could fire it and with practice become proficient.
43 posted on 02/19/2002 3:44:11 PM PST by C-Note
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To: Sender
. I want to find one cheap too!

I don't know what the Charter Arms 44's are selling for,but I don't think the basic Taurus version is all that expensive. Taurus has a web site that give retail prices and all specifics on each of their guns,and it's worth a look. In MY opinion,the 44 Special is the best self-defense round out there.

44 posted on 02/19/2002 3:44:26 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
. My favorite is the A-5 Browning.

Do NOT use a A-5 or any other recoil-operated weapon for self-defense. They have a tendency to jam if not held firmly against the shoulder,and you never know what conditions you will be facing in self-defense. If you want to use a auto-loader,get a gas gun.

45 posted on 02/19/2002 3:47:04 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Heavy ? Yeah, but somehow, that squared off receiver design gets my eye on the target quicker than the smoother Remington design.

It's most likely the design of the butt stock on the Remington isn't right for you,and the A-5 with it's high comb allows you a more comfortable neck position.

46 posted on 02/19/2002 3:49:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: DETAILER
I've got one exactly like it. I like it for self-defense. Hard to hit anything farther than 15-20 feet away. It ain't a howitzer, but it's close.
47 posted on 02/19/2002 3:54:06 PM PST by Timmy
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To: sneakypete
I still like my Bennelli M1-90 sitting next to my easy chair for the ultimate self defense scatter gun. I've popped six shots before the first casing hit the dirt, it's quite fast.

I keep it loaded with a sequence of 4 buck, 00 ott, 000 ott,and at the end...BRI sabot slugs. That is an impressive and effective defense line up...

48 posted on 02/19/2002 4:07:25 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: DETAILER
The .44 Special is a fine weapon, especially those old Charter Arms.

Have it inspected by a competent gunsmith. If he or she clears it, it should serve you well.

That cartridge packs a hell of a wallop at close range without all the recoil of the vaunted .44 magnum.

Anybody who calls this round a 'weak sister' hasn't done their homework.

Regards,

L

49 posted on 02/19/2002 4:13:27 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Noumenon
Naw....

Load it with the 200 grain Speer JHP over 8 grains of Unique.

That will ruin anyones belly.

Regards,

L

50 posted on 02/19/2002 4:17:13 PM PST by Lurker
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