Posted on 02/22/2002 2:35:45 AM PST by kattracks
CNSNews.com) - Schools should let their students know that the differences between the homosexual and heterosexual cultures are many and profound, contrary to assertions by homosexual advocacy groups who seek to portray homosexuality as something innate and essentially without risk, a leading psychological group said.
Indeed, a same-sex male couple rarely stays together if the partners are not open to permitting each other to have outside sexual contacts, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) said in a recent mailing to 15,300 public school superintendents around the United States.
The mailing "seeks to correct the misinformation that is being promoted by these homosexual advocacy groups that have an incredible influence on the public education system," said Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, president of NARTH and a proponent of reparative therapy for homosexuals who want to change.
"What we're trying to say to school supervisors is, 'don't just rely on pro-gay information sources to make your decisions.' All our stuff is well grounded scientifically," he said. NARTH is a non-religious scientific organization whose 1,000 members include psychologists, psychiatrists and therapists.
Homosexual advocacy groups, however, denounced the mailing as a misinformation campaign that will destroy families and hurt children.
"It hurts families," said Wayne Besen, a spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign. "It keeps families separated, it confuses people who need to accept themselves, and it promotes misinformation and outdated theories that are against what every leading medical and mental health organization in the nation says."
The mailing goes out to the same school officials who were targeted in 1999 with a pamphlet entitled "Just the Facts," written by a coalition that included the American Psychological Association (APA).
The APA pamphlet encouraged schools not to inform students that therapy exists to diminish homosexuality and not to refer such students to counselors who will reflect their own family's deeply held values.
"NARTH was so incensed by the misinformation and untruths provided in the APA pamphlet that it immediately took on the task of raising the necessary funds required to compile, print and distribute" the mailing, Nicolosi said.
"Homosexual advocacy groups have been masterful in their ability to reframe what is essentially a health issue to a human rights issue, and when you talk human rights, everyone gets paranoid," he said.
"When you introduce the possibility of change, you introduce the possibility of freedom to choose, and when you do that, you undermine the foundation of the gay agenda," he added.
Homosexual high school students were more likely than non-homosexual students to have engaged in high health risk behaviors, including alcohol, cocaine and inhalant use.
By the age of 30, some 30 percent of homosexual men will be HIV positive or dead of AIDS; by the age of 50, about 50 percent of homosexual men will be HIV-positive, NARTH said.
NARTH estimates the homosexual population in the United States to be between 2 percent and 2.5 percent. Nicolosi said it was difficult to estimate the number of ex-homosexuals, people who once considered themselves homosexual and changed their orientation through reparative therapy and are now leading lives as heterosexuals.
"These are people who still are ashamed to come forward because our society doesn't understand or appreciate their struggle," he said. Ex-homosexuals should be encouraged to come forward and tell their stories, he said.
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Just stop and think for a moment - objectively not emotionally. Nature itself tells us that man was not created to receive another man. Woman was created to receive man. (I am speaking in the sexual sense without trying to be too graphic.) Anal intercourse is not natural. That area of the human body was made to expell material not receive it. The interior of the walls of the colon cannot withstand sexual action. However, the interior walls of the vagina are. Most diseases associated with man/man intercourse can be traced back to this very fact.
Study the facts and then begin to stury the Biblical issues.
Gee, Brain, what are we going to do tonight? NARTH!
SUMMARY: A San Francisco study reveals that crystal meth use combined with unsafe sex is a growing problem in the gay club scene.
A new San Francisco-based study reveals that methamphetamine use combined with unsafe sex is a growing problem among gay and transgender late-night club-goers.
The "Party and Play Study," conducted by the AIDS (news - web sites) Office of the San Francisco Department of Public Health (news - web sites), revealed preliminary results on Jan. 10 to the city's HIV (news - web sites) Prevention Planning Council that men who use crystal meth, or speed, a popular drug on the late-night dance scene, tend to be less cautious when it comes to practicing safe sex.
The six-month study examined the habits of 391 men and male-to-female transsexuals who had sex with men during the previous six months and who often partied between midnight and 4 a.m.
The study confirmed a correlation between drug use and a rise in HIV infection rates through both risky sex and injecting the drug, but some health officials view the risky sex as the larger culprit.
"There's a fair amount of evidence that people are aware of the importance of sharing clean needles," said Michael Siever, director of San Francisco's Stonewall Project, a group that works with men using or addicted to speed. "But it's quite common that people high on speed have high-risk sex. Sex and speed will happen regardless if people are injecting or not."
Of the 391 participants in the study, 84 percent reported non-injection drug use in the previous three months, and 64 percent of this group used crystal meth. Of the 35 percent who reported injection drug use during the three months, nearly all (94 percent) reported injecting speed.
A majority of those taking drugs during late-night partying admitted to having sex without a condom. Of the 81 percent who responded to having anal intercourse, nearly two-thirds did not use protection.
The HIV status of participants: 69 percent reported being HIV-negative, with 31 percent positive.
The study also reveals a greater need, health advocates say, for outreach to gay men and transsexuals who frequent late-night clubs with a message relaying both the dangers of drug use and the imperative need to use condoms during sex.
"HIV is still killing people," said Dr. Ron Falcon, board member of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association. "We need better education that's more focused. Both drugs and HIV need attention. People tend to know more about HIV than drugs. Now, unfortunately, drug use is associated with the spread of this disease that's killing off our community."
While speed use and HIV now seem to be receiving more attention, Siever said he's seen it as a problem for 10 years. The study confirmed his fears.
"(Crystal Meth) is the No. 1 drug of choice behind alcohol," he said. "The numbers (revealed in the study) are higher than I expected. Many more people inject speed than we realized. It's of great concern."
When it comes to the bad, society must draw the line between that which will not be tolerated and that which will be tolerated but discouraged. Never should the bad be tolerated and not discouraged. Toleration alone is tacit approval. And with approval comes peaceful or forceful expansion of the bad. Homosexuality is far from being an ideal for all of society to strive towards, therefore society must choose not to tolerate or to tolerate but discourage. The compasionate thing (but not necessarily the best for society) is to tolerate but discourage homosexuality.
The minds of the youth are often the battleground. Homosexuals will encourage, society must discourage.
On a parallel note: I have never understood why it is assumed that a man can get counseling and hormone therapy to become a "woman", but that same man could not get counseling and hormone therapy to become a real man. Indeed that later is more true than the former.
I'll leave you with a question to ponder. Who do you think abducts all those children and young adults that go missing in the U.S. ever year? There is not nearly enough pedophiles and childless parents to account for the large numbers. Homosexuality is not self sustaining. It requires a large number of new "recruits" each year, especially when AIDS is factored into the equation.
Homosexuality Kills. Period.
Of course this is why there is such a rush to come up with a cure for AIDS. When the homosexual population (yes, and drug users to some extent too) spread a deadly, killer, disease like wildfire, of course they need to find a cure. Not simply to cure themselves but to stop homosexuality from bing a deadly, murderous, lifestyle. Some day reality might catch up to people and we might stop traeting the spread of HIV/AIDS as if it simply drops from the sky on all men, women, and children. If/when that happens the "gay" lobby is in deep trouble.
When you introduce the possibility of change, you introduce the possibility of freedom to choose, and when you do that, you undermine the foundation of the gay agenda.
The freedom of choice NARTH speaks of is behavioral choice. It is possible for homosexual men or women to choose to behave as heterosexuals. This does not change their sexual orientation. It is possible to reduce homosexual desire through therapy. In fact it is possible to reduce heterosexual desire using the same techniques as Catholic priests have done for centuries.
NARTH therapy creates psychological eunuchs, not heterosexuals.
Homosexual high school students were more likely than non-homosexual students to have engaged in high health risk behaviors, including alcohol, cocaine and inhalant use.
I wouldn’t doubt this. Gay high school students are subject to additional pressures that other students don’t have. It isn’t surprising that substance abuse is common.
By the age of 30, some 30 percent of homosexual men will be HIV positive or dead of AIDS; by the age of 50, about 50 percent of homosexual men will be HIV-positive, NARTH said.
HIV is caused mostly by promiscuous behavior and sexual practices that involve the transfer of bodily fluids. Gay men have a high incidence of both. Safe sex techniques can reduce, but not eliminate the possibility of infection. There are a number of factors that influence homosexuals to engage in high risk behaviors.
NARTH estimates the homosexual population in the United States to be between 2 percent and 2.5 percent.
It is very difficult to estimate the number of homosexual individuals because many people lie about their orientation. There are a great many closeted homosexuals in this country. Even at 2%, that would still mean there are over five million homosexual Americans.
Nicolosi said it was difficult to estimate the number of ex-homosexuals, people who once considered themselves homosexual and changed their orientation through reparative therapy and are now leading lives as heterosexuals.
The key phrase is “leading lives”. They are not heterosexuals; they are homosexuals pretending to be heterosexuals. It is very difficult to acquire an accurate count of ex-gays, as many are unable to maintain the charade for long and seek out same sex companionship.
These are people who still are ashamed to come forward because our society doesn't understand or appreciate their struggle," he said. Ex-homosexuals should be encouraged to come forward and tell their stories, he said.
I respect the decisions of those who choose to be ex-gay. They trade their sexuality for the acceptance of their –often-religious – peers. Unfortunately, they usually end up with neither.
That is what I always say. In normal life and society, impersonation is a crime, but somehow gays are immune from that.
And of course we are to love all men (and women, which was implied). We are not to love and endorse sin.
This has got to cease.
It really isn't anyting to be proud of, except perhaps in a bizarre side-show spectacle sense.
Isn't that an oxymoron? How do you "share" a "clean" needle?
What if a student is intimidated by opposition to homosexual propoganda in school?
Actually, I examined the NARTH site for statistics. They speak a great deal of “overcoming homosexuality” and “decreasing same sex attractions”. But they never mention an increase in opposite sex attraction. Sexual attraction, as I have mentioned is both measurable and consistent over time.
Here is a typical passage from an article on the NARTH website:
In contrast, the married man with a homosexual background may find conjugal relations to be less intense, but he is left with a sense of rightness, contentment and well-being. Rather than feeling depleted, he is renewed, feels satisfied and good about himself, and experiences himself as an integral part of the heterosexual world.
This seems to back up my idea that ex-gays trade sexual fulfillment for social acceptance. Another article on the site heralded this trade off by upholding ex-gays as less likely to cheat on their wives with other women. That article has since been pulled.
You might try researching things using both statistics from the homosexual advocate and non-advocate groups. You might just find that what you say is not true.
I agree that this subject warrants further investigation. But wouldn’t it be better to find unbiased research?
That people who have changed their way of homosexual thinking through God's strength are tuly active heterosexuals (or are the all telling fibs?).
If you have evidence to this I’d be very interested in seeing it. From what I’ve seen and read, ex-gay men do not experience an increase in attraction to women.
And of course we are to love all men (and women, which was implied). We are not to love and endorse sin.
No one’s saying you should. Nonetheless the evidence seems to suggest that while it is possible for homosexuals to change behavior, there is no know way to change sexual attraction. It would appear that homosexually orientated individuals have to walk a very hard path to gain the acceptance of their religious brethren.
BUMP!
If the evidence of my senses and the logic of my mind result in inaccurate information, there is little I can do about it.
Your maw of ignorance is as wide and deep as the Grand Canyon.
I agree. But I try do something about that every day.
It really isn't anyting to be proud of, except perhaps in a bizarre side-show spectacle sense.
I’m sorry that the world you want and the world that exists are so far apart.
Seems that that is exactly how one is supposed to feel after having sex with ones wife. These guys are now perfectly normal.
SAD is a mental disease that is curable through either secular or religious reparative therapy. SAD results in a choice to perform perverse behavior. There is no such thing as sexual orientation. There are only SAD and broken individuals desperately in need of being cured.
Why does the SAD community protest these poor souls who are trying to get well? Is it that if one can be cured then they all can be cured and the violent SADs would rather fight than admit their faults?
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As if child molestation doesn't hurt children and attacking marriage doesn't have the goal of destroying families.
The SADs are hell-bent on destroying our way of life just so they can cling to their sexual perversion.
GSA(P)
Some say Bisexuality is a myth embraced by homosexuals who haven’t fully accepted their orientation. I’m not so sure. It appears that there are some people who are sexually attracted to members of both sexes. There are also some people who engage in sexual activity without a particular attraction to their partner. Hedonistic sexual activity doesn’t necessarily require sexual attraction. Maybe Elton John is a homosexual who also engages in hedonistic behavior? We’d need an objective, consistent, and reliable test to find out.
Homosexuals died of AIDS in droves in the 80's because they engaged in risky behavior and LOTS of it. It was a choice. And still is today. Face it. It's a behavior, not a genetic trait.
All behavior is choice, but homosexual attraction objectively exists. There exist a significant number of people who are sexually attracted to members of their own sex and not to members of the opposite sex. Is it genetic, developmental, or a combination of both? I don’t know, but I try and follow the research. Homosexuals may act on their impulses or they may choose not to. They may marry and bear children. None of this changes the fact that they are homosexual.
Makes complete sense to me. Men by their very nature want sex more often than women.
I do find it strange that there are people who think a person can be enticed into a "gay lifestyle". I have asked this question of every gay person I have came into contact with. Some are very politically conservative. So far of the 12 or so people I know who are gay they said it was something they had to come to terms with at an early age.
I started liking girls and admitting it at about age 12. Most childern go through an early stage where they prefer the company of their own sex. Adolesence is a very confusing time for kids. God knows the trials that a homosexual boy or girl must go through. Do they try not to be discovered? Are they ashamed? How must they feel?
I don't want to dismiss these childern as worthless. As sinners. Or as less than human. I don't want them tied to a fence post by people who feel encouraged to hold malice towards Gays.
What I would like is for every Christian to read his bible and see which sin it is that he finds greater than his own. Spinning and lies will not make life better for tortured teens who seek answers.
Remember, the devil did not make ten percent of our population left handed nor ten percent gay. It was our God in heaven who created man. Perhaps Gods image includes the capacity to love and tolerate.
Attractions come in all shapes and sizes. Attraction to same-sex, attraction to blondes, attraction to twinks, attrraction to bears, attraction to children, attraction to farm animals. And there is no evidence that it is "hard-wired" (so to speak).
There should be some physical attraction. For ex-gays their isn’t any.
SAD is a mental disease that is curable through either secular or religious reparative therapy.
Reparative therapy doesn’t work. The technique doesn’t create a heterosexual attraction. It seems only effective in creating psychological eunuchs. The need to force others to destroy their sexuality to be acceptable strikes me as amazingly selfish on your part. I feel sad for those who take your advice.
SAD results in a choice to perform perverse behavior. There is no such thing as sexual orientation.
Sexual orientation, as a function of sexual attraction objectively exists. If it didn’t there wouldn’t be any heterosexuals either. Even your friends at NARTH concur. People make choices to follow or resist their sex drives. Demanding others, or even worse, forcing others to abandon their sexuality to please you is both selfish and cruel.
There are only SAD and broken individuals desperately in need of being cured.
Co-opting psychology to advance a political or social agenda is deceptive and unethical. Even your terminology (SAD) is insulting to the ones you claim to wish to help.
Why does the SAD community protest these poor souls who are trying to get well?
Ultimately it’s their choice to make. Personally I feel people shouldn’t destroy their lives so that selfish bigots can maintain power, dominance, and control.
It doesn’t matter if he is well known. If Elton is bisexual, he is atypical.
Attractions come in all shapes and sizes. Attraction to same-sex, attraction to blondes, attraction to twinks, attrraction to bears, attraction to children, attraction to farm animals. And there is no evidence that it is "hard-wired" (so to speak).
Don’t confuse orientation with attraction. Some men might be attracted to blond women, but their orientation is heterosexual. There is a difference. Sexual orientation determines the direction of the desire; sexual attraction determines the level of the desire. It’s also common to be attracted to someone without being sexually attracted to him or her.
There is a lot of controversy about the origin of sexual attractions. Some say hard wired, and some say environment or a combination of the two (I side with these guys). We won’t have a definitive answer until more is known about the brain.
It’s been a while since undergrad psych, but here goes:
The short answer is that attraction infers a conditioned response and orientation infers an unconditioned response.
Basically this means that an orientation is something that’s hard wired (maybe – I’ll get to this) while an attraction is learned through experience. For example a dog smells food and salivates. That’s an unconditioned (or innate) response. The dog didn’t have to learn to salivate; he was born with that programmed response. Now, I ring a bell every time I feed the dog. What happens? The dog will begin to salivate when he hears the bell even if there’s no food. The dog’s behavior is a conditioned response because the dog has learned that the bell means food. If that dog could talk, he’d probably tell you he likes that bell. This is the famous Pavlov experiment that illustrates some of the basic tenant of behavioralism.
Now apply that to human sexuality. The unconditioned response is the physical changes that occur in a male in response to stimulus from the female. Male sees naked women and gets excited. But if the male learns to associate certain visual cues with the possibility of sex these visual cues can serve the same purpose as the bell in Pavlov’s experiment. Some of these cues are cultural (like long hair or fingernails) and some are personal. Your attraction to brown-eyed women is learned (although you probably don’t remember where or how), and is a conditioned response. Your attraction to women is innate, an unconditioned response.
But sexual attraction is more complex than most behavior. One reason for this is that sexual attraction doesn’t develop until the onset of puberty. Puberty occurs in most children sometime after ten years old. By this time the child has developed a wide array of learned responses. It has been theorized that these learned responses somehow incorporate themselves into a child’s developing sexuality. This sexuality starts fluid and coalesces into a hard-wired response to stimuli. Essentially, conditioned responses become unconditioned responses.
Sexuality might be like a sort of clay. It’s mixed in with all the conditioned responses a child develops through early experiences and then baked. Once the clay has hardened, it is impossible to change the conditioned responses - they become innate. Thus, your attraction to brown-eyed women may now (I assume you’ve hit puberty) be an innate response. Or, if it was learned after puberty, may be a conditioned response subject to change. Or, while developed before puberty you may have never incorporated your attraction for brown-eyed women into your sexuality and may still be a conditioned response subject to change. See how complex this is?
It is my opinion that homosexuality develops during pre-adolescence and become hard wired during puberty. Homosexual desire somehow becomes hard-wired and like any innate response, impossible to eliminate. Thus we can say that someone is “homosexually oriented”. I suppose that you could say someone whose attractions become incorporated into his or her sexuality is also oriented that way. So maybe you are oriented to brown eyed women. One possible test would be to measure your attraction to non-eyed women. If you are not attracted at all to blue eyed women it’s an orientation, and if you are somewhat, it’s a preference.
Anyway, that’s the difference between an orientation and a preference. The last three paragraphs are somewhat controversial but the first two are universally accepted by psychologists.
I can second that! One of my nephews was seduced into the lifestyle when he was in high school. He was in a terrible emotional state about his mother and her current boyfriend (my brother and his mom had divorced several years earlier). Then to compound matters, his grandmother (his mom's mom) gave him some tranquilizers to help him 'over the rough spots'. That started his downward spiral into homosexuality and alcoholism and contributed directly to his acquiring HIV, for which he is being treated. After his diagnosis, he left the lifestyle and returned home to live with his dad (his mom had died of a heart attack just before that). He's now clean and sober and seems to be in fairly good physical shape.
It is disgusting that public schools have become recruiting grounds for the homosexual activists. And even more disgusting is the fact that schools withheld info from the kids which could SAVE THEIR LIVES!
No one claimed to be sinless. We all sin. Most of a Christian's sins, however will not result in premature death and will not encourage those around them to continue in that sin. Also, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin instantly so that we can repent of it and restore our relationship with God.
The SAD community however, refuses to admit their sin and continues to recruit new victims into their perversion.
SAD has been proven to be a self-destructive behavior which is contagious through molestation (which in some cases may be as small as exposure)
As a Christian I am commanded to warn others of the error of their ways and to attempt to bring them to Christ. If they won't do that, the least I can do is protect the innocent ones from being exposed to the SADs willful perversion.
The best way to help a tortured teen is to help him be cured of SAD (that is, find out why he is reaching to men instead of to women). What unfulfilled need is in his life. Has he been molested or does he have a poor relationship with his father? One good role model can overcome the deficiency and help this tortured teen grow into a healthy member of society instead of into a self-destructive pervert.
Remember, the devil did not make ten percent of our population left handed nor ten percent gay. It was our God in heaven who created man. Perhaps Gods image includes the capacity to love and tolerate.
God made man in His own image. God does not have SAD. (in fact God sees the practice of homosexual behavior as abomination, something so evil that those who participate in it should be killed instantly) Therefore God did not create anyone to be homosexual. Why would He create something He finds abhorrent?
(Also the real number is probably a whole lot closer to 2% than to 10% no matter what the SAD cheerleaders say.)
GSA(P)
If they are having relations with their wives then I'd say they have some physical attraction there. Kind of hard to get it ready for action with someone who repulses you.
These ex-SADs are obviously living happy fulfilling lives. Why do you insist on trying to hold them in the SAD lifestyle when they've found a way out.
Are you afraid that if they can get out and lead good lives then you will be expected to also?
Reparative therapy doesn’t work. The technique doesn’t create a heterosexual attraction. It seems only effective in creating psychological eunuchs. The need to force others to destroy their sexuality to be acceptable strikes me as amazingly selfish on your part. I feel sad for those who take your advice.
Seems to work pretty good for the people we just discussed. If they are having fulfilling sex with their wives (and in your own description of it they are) then they seem to be happy and cured. How? by reparative therapy. Seems that, according to your description of their lives, reparative therapy works well.
Sexual orientation, as a function of sexual attraction objectively exists. If it didn’t there wouldn’t be any heterosexuals either. Even your friends at NARTH concur. People make choices to follow or resist their sex drives.
The question is, why are they 'oriented in this abnormal way'. Studies have shown that it is (in at least some cases) the result of mental trauma (molestation, abuse or a poor relationship with their father). So SAD can be compared to psychological scar tissue. Which thankfully can be healed by excising the scar tissue through reparative therapy. SAD is curable
Demanding others, or even worse, forcing others to abandon their sexuality to please you is both selfish and cruel.
Healing the sick is neither selfish nor cruel.
Co-opting psychology to advance a political or social agenda is deceptive and unethical. Even your terminology (SAD) is insulting to the ones you claim to wish to help.
For the vast majority of human history SAD was acknowledged to be a mental disease. It was only when the SADs co-opted the American Psychiatric Association (I think I have the right org here) that it was removed from disease/disorder status for political reasons. If that wasn't deceptive and unethical then why is it deceptive and unethical now to use the same methods to eliminate the politics and restore the disease as a listed treatable illness?
Personally I feel people shouldn’t destroy their lives so that selfish bigots can maintain power, dominance, and control.
Of course if these people are living fulfilled lives (as your description of them indicates and their own testimony supports) then have they destroyed their lives or only destroyed your excuses?
If you want to commit perversion, then commit perversion. Just don't come crying to us and trying to justify your actions by saying that that's just the way you are naturally. You can choose to be healed, you just don't want to be yet. We know that you behave as you choose to behave (as we all do). No non-beneficial behavior (and SAD behavior is non-beneficial) is worthy of any special protection. Don't bother asking for any. Just keep your perversion out of normal society's sight and we'll all get along better. (Of course if you should choose to molest one of our sons, don't complain if we hunt you down and execute you like the animal you behaved like (and hetersexual child molesters should be executed also)).
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