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White House Can't Win ANWR Debate, Says Environmentalist
CNSNews ^ | 2/27/02 | Matt Pyeatt

Posted on 03/02/2002 5:49:50 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

As the U.S. Senate prepared Wednesday to debate the nation's energy needs, environmental groups blasted the Republican plan to drill for oil in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge and said the White House lacked enough votes to win Senate passage of the measure.

The ANWR drilling provision appeared headed for passage in the Senate Energy Committee earlier this month until Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) yanked the entire bill from the committee and moved it directly to the Senate floor.

At the time, Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska), the ranking Republican on the Energy panel, said he had "never seen an instance where jurisdiction was pulled from a committee like this."

Daschle's move means the ANWR provision will now have to be introduced on the Senate floor as an amendment to the Democratic version of the energy bill and collect 60 votes.

Even the Bush administration's recent attempt to compromise and confine the oil drilling to only a third of the Arctic refuge's 1.5 million acres will fail, according to Jaime Rappaport Clark, senior vice president for conservation programs at the National Wildlife Federation

"It is clear that the White House and drilling proponents do not have the votes to open up the coastal plains, the Artic National Wildlife Refuge, to oil drilling," Clark said.

"They don't have the votes because the public and a number of open-minded senators recognize the irreparable harm that drilling would do to the wilderness character, to the wildlife value and to the environment of one of the most pristine places left on earth," Clark said.

She added that the region is "too wild to waste" and accused the Bush administration of taking last-minute steps "to exploit and wreck the refuge."

"They think they can pull it off by selling this drilling ploy as a balanced proposal. Let me tell you, from what I know, it is about as balanced as Enron's books," Clark said.

Among those supporting the ANWR proposal are officials of the Teamsters' Union, who argue that not only would oil drilling in the refuge reduce America's reliance on foreign oil but it would also produce thousands of high-paying jobs.

The Senate is scheduled to hear debate for several weeks before voting on a final version of the Kerry-Hollings bill, named for Democratic Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and Ernest Hollings of South Carolina. Republicans will try to install their provisions as amendments to the Kerry-Hollings bill.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
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1 posted on 03/02/2002 5:49:50 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"...said the White House lacked enough votes to win Senate passage of the measure..."

If they tell themselves this enough times.....

2 posted on 03/02/2002 5:53:53 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Another example of Dasshole pushing his socialist agenda. The senate is now run under a dictatorship and the Republicans may as well pack their bags and go home.
3 posted on 03/02/2002 6:18:04 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
We are wasting valuable time debating this issue,something has to be done.President BUSH should,under the guise if national security issue an executive order,DRILL!
4 posted on 03/02/2002 6:19:42 AM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: anniegetyourgun
"...said the White House lacked enough votes to win Senate passage of the measure..."

Well, maybe the White House lacks the votes, but I bet Jimmy Hoffa has them.

5 posted on 03/02/2002 6:20:10 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Piquaboy
America favors drilling, why not expose the nation to Dashole et al?
6 posted on 03/02/2002 6:20:19 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
FLY ALL TREE-HUGGERS TO ANWR
7 posted on 03/02/2002 6:29:06 AM PST by banyanroot
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
I would not be surprised if Bush does say he will allow ANWR drilling under the guise of national security--imagine saying part of the oil output from ANWR will become part of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
8 posted on 03/02/2002 6:29:27 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
You should hear the ignorant commercials the environuts are playing around here on the Radio.They (Sierra and the Audobon Society(sp)) make claims there is only 6 months worth of oil there. Lets all be reasonable here if there is only 6 mos worth do you really think a Oil company is going to go to the trouble? The Sierra club has a fireman from NYC telling the story on how he lectured Mr.President about leaving ANWR alone.They both conclude with calling Senator Specter and letting him know that drilling in ANWR is bad.For some reason they fail to mention Santorum.
9 posted on 03/02/2002 6:30:19 AM PST by linn37
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If we start exploring and drilling today, by the time one of these environazis who wants to 'preserve' this 'pristine' land goes there for vacation, we will have extrcted all the oil and left behind so many caribou that they will start complaining that the lichen and moss are getting trampled.
10 posted on 03/02/2002 6:31:58 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
We are wasting valuable time debating this issue,something has to be done.President BUSH should,under the guise if national security issue an executive order,DRILL!

How was it that ANWR was made unavailable to drilling? If by EO, Bush could rescind/countermand it. If not, issuing a new one would be a huge blunder on his part. I didn't like it when Clinton issued them, and I feel the same way here.

11 posted on 03/02/2002 6:35:16 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: banyanroot
You've tapped my memory for now, but I find them constantly.
12 posted on 03/02/2002 6:39:27 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: StriperSniper
extrcted = extracted

Oops.

13 posted on 03/02/2002 6:43:33 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If anyone is listening, I don't care about one mosquito more or less in the Arctic. Certainly not in comparison with being able to power the electric grid, or to get where I need to in an auto, or have an independent foreign policy.

The idea that environmental extremism entitles tyrants rather than we-the-people to control valuable subterrainian minerals should cut no ice whatsoever.

14 posted on 03/02/2002 6:45:47 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
A total of 49 democrat senators is enough to give Mr. Dashle the majority leadership role.

A total of 60 votes is needed to bring a vote to the floor and pass a bill.

How is this possible?

15 posted on 03/02/2002 6:46:46 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Here's a great site loaded with information for the ANWR battle.
16 posted on 03/02/2002 6:53:07 AM PST by SW6906
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To: StriperSniper
We know it's there, that work was done 2 decades ago. We know the Caribou are thriving at present, multiplying after the pipline. We realize the insignificance of the size and environmental value area being proposed. We are aware of the need for independence from foreign sources. And we recognize the massive employment and economic benefits available as a result of the project.

So what's the beef?

17 posted on 03/02/2002 6:54:51 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Right_in_Virginia
The Legislative Process
Filibusters and Cloture

The dearth of debate limitations in Senate rules creates the possibility of filibusters. Individual Senators or minority groups of Senators who adamantly oppose a bill or amendment may speak against it at great length, in the hope of changing their colleagues' minds, winning support for amendments that meet their objectives, or convincing the Senate to withdraw the bill or amendment from further consideration on the floor. Opposing Senators also can delay final floor action by offering numerous amendments and motions, insisting that amendments be read in full, demanding roll call votes on amendments and motions, and a using a variety of other devices.

The only formal procedure that Senate rules provide for breaking filibusters is to invoke cloture under the provisions of paragraph 2 of Rule XXII. However, cloture cannot be voted until two days after it is proposed, and a simple majority of the Senate is insufficient to invoke cloture. Cloture requires the support of three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, or a minimum of 60 votes (unless the matter being considered changes the standing rules, in which case cloture requires a vote of two-thirds of the Senators present and voting). For this reason alone, cloture can be difficult to invoke and almost always requires some bipartisan support. In addition, some Senators are reluctant to vote for cloture, even if they support the legislation being jeopardized by the filibuster, precisely because the right of extended debate is such an integral element of Senate history and procedure.

Even if the Senate does invoke cloture on a bill (or anything else), the result is not an immediate vote on passing the bill. The cloture rule permits a maximum of thirty additional hours for considering the bill, during which each Senator may speak for one hour. The time consumed by rollcall votes and quorum calls is deducted from the thirty hour total; as a result, each Senator does not have an opportunity to speak for a full hour, although he or she is guaranteed at least ten minutes for debate. Thus, cloture does not stop debate immediately; it only ensures that debate cannot continue indefinitely. And even the thirty hours allowed under cloture is quite a long time for the Senate to devote to any one bill, especially since Senators may not be willing to invoke cloture until the bill already has been debated at considerable length.

18 posted on 03/02/2002 6:57:34 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So what's the beef?

Better question: What do you call caribou meat?

19 posted on 03/02/2002 6:59:44 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: StriperSniper
The area proposed is frozen tundra (if there is another type) all winter. Point being there ain't no caribou there, they migrate.
20 posted on 03/02/2002 7:03:09 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I think you might have missed the sarcasm in my first post.;-)

I am all for drilling and know the area they want to drill is a wasteland.

One part of this picture I don't have is when some of the anti-drillers say thet the rest of the North Slope is open for drilling. Do you know any of the history as to why the spot that has the oil was the spot to be protected? Did they know the oil was there when it was made a refuge?

21 posted on 03/02/2002 7:12:23 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: NittanyLion
Thanks. Is this the same reasoning used to prevent the economic stimulus bill from coming to the floor for a vote?

Just curious.

22 posted on 03/02/2002 7:17:28 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: StriperSniper
We knew there was oil 2 decades ago, oil companies were drooling at the opportunity to drill. It began dcades ago was enhanced by Carter and the drilling was prohibited by a Clinton veto.
23 posted on 03/02/2002 7:38:34 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: DrTEJ
The Rats care although for different reasons. They want to either make the resolve an issue for elections, something they can solve, or a means to government control.
25 posted on 03/02/2002 8:04:31 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The article is probably right. The fix is in. As long as Daschle controls the Senate, nothing constructive will be accomplished. He will use any corrupt measures necessary to block useful legislation. Then he will try to blame Bush for any economic and security problems that result.

That makes it vital to elect more Republicans to congress, especially to the Senate, this fall.

27 posted on 03/02/2002 8:22:33 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
What happens to the bills in the Senate after the election?
28 posted on 03/02/2002 8:30:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Miss Marple
I agree!Jimmy Hoffa should get out there and campaign for Drilling in ANWR!The only thing that The DemoRats and their EnviroWacko backers have is to sow fear of pollution!!The FACTS support drilling and development!!!These DemoRats should be branded for the TRAITORS that they TRULY ARE!!!!DasHole cares nought for this country(unless it can be served up to him and The DemoRats on a silver platter)!!!!!!!!!"W"has to keep(as his trump-card)EXECUTIVE ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 posted on 03/02/2002 9:08:06 AM PST by bandleader
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To: bandleader
How has the Mexican border issue affected Hoffa?
31 posted on 03/02/2002 9:21:53 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: *Energy_list;*Enviralists
Bump List
32 posted on 03/02/2002 10:04:02 AM PST by Free the USA
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