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Al Neuharth: Why is China OK, but Cuba 'enemy'?
USA Today ^ | February 22, 2002 | Al Neuharth, USA Today founder

Posted on 03/03/2002 6:26:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In Beijing, Bush called China our ''partner.'' Cuba officially is our ''enemy.'' Why?

Because a small number of powerful exiles in South Florida cow our politicians into keeping the crazy Cuban policy. That was designed to castrate Fidel Castro and has failed for more than 40 years.


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Last week in this space, I reported on a visit to Cuba and a meeting with Elian Gonzalez. Many of you asked how you can go to Cuba.

The enemy of freedom: Al Neuharth, founder of Freedom Forum, Salutes Elian

Media Research Center's in depth study using the media's own words: Back to the "Peaceable" Paradise: Media Soldiers for the Seizure of Elian

Al Neuharth: Most U.S. citizens are denied their constitutional right to travel to Cuba.
A special ''license'' from the U.S. Treasury Department is possible, but very difficult to get.

Why doesn't Castro let Cubans freely travel? Maybe Al Neuharth, founder of USA Today daily newspaper and the Freedom Forum should come down on Castro's communist oppression. Maybe all the news personalities that sit on the board of Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum need to come clean on why they pushed Elian back into Castro's arms.

Vicki Huddleston Q&A: Veteran leader speaks about dissidents, Castro and the U.S. role--[Excerpt]

Q: Should travel restrictions to Cuba be lifted?

A: The problem with the lifting of travel restrictions is that the Cubans control it because they issue the visas. They can put quotas. They can decide to allow only the tourists going to Varadero and Cayo Coco and ensure they have very little contact with the Cuban people. And all that will do, initially, is fill the government coffers and build up the regime. It's ironic because what you need is for the government to respond to the current economic crisis by opening up, by letting Cubans own and operate their own businesses, by letting them invest, letting them stay at hotels. [In Cuba,] the economy is shrinking. It is too dependent on tourism and remittances. Their way of fixing the problem is to fill up the hotels. A far preferable way . . . would be to grow the economy by letting the people invest in their community by starting small businesses -- not just restaurants and taxis and services, but also . . . creating products. You have natural capitalists in Cuba, and the proof of that is in the cars they have and how they take care of them. If allowed to work independently, they would create wealth through their own labor . . . [End Excerpt]

1 posted on 03/03/2002 6:26:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It's time to end the Insane Cuban Embargo.
2 posted on 03/03/2002 6:28:42 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: GuillermoX
Why do you believe it to be insane?
3 posted on 03/03/2002 6:31:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So with that last Q/A are you denying that the US is demanding that we ask for permission from them before traveling to Cuba?

Furthermore, given the fact that China has 14 million in slave labor camps and executes thousands of citizens every year, what is more evil about China than Cuba? China has nuclear weapons aimed at US cities. Cuba does not.

The embargo has not worked in Cuba. Please give us a rational reason for continuing the policy.

4 posted on 03/03/2002 6:31:37 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Castro is in his sixth (yes, 6th) decade of power. The Embargo has not loosened his grip one iota. Castro DEPENDS on the Embargo. The LAST person who wants to see it end is Castro.
5 posted on 03/03/2002 6:33:32 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Why is China OK, but Cuba 'enemy'?

Because there isn't enough slave labor in Cuba to keep Nike's, et al's, profits high?

6 posted on 03/03/2002 6:40:25 AM PST by genew
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To: Demidog
Wow, I agree with you...scary...
7 posted on 03/03/2002 6:40:47 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cuba remains a communist country. China has quietly abandoned communism. It's still totalitarian, but it's not communist, no matter how you look at it.
8 posted on 03/03/2002 6:44:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Demidog
I posted the quote to interest anyone who was interested in reading more to go to the LINK. I don't like dealing with China....the title is not mine.
I've not met one anti-embargo poster who will answer my question of why the embargo is wrong.

But to your question. Why should the American taxpayers foot the bill for trade with Castro, giving tacit approval to his regime
and freeing up his ill gotten gains (90% of all wages) to sponsor international terrorism?

9 posted on 03/03/2002 6:45:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GuillermoX
The Embargo has not loosened his grip one iota. Castro DEPENDS on the Embargo. The LAST person who wants to see it end is Castro.

What do you see happening if the embargo is lifted?

10 posted on 03/03/2002 6:47:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
First I see many Cubans being able to eat and buy medicines. Open investment will help the vast majority of Cubans. Second, I see Castro's biggest excuse for his failure taken off the table.
11 posted on 03/03/2002 6:50:45 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You seem to be confused about what trade is since you claim that taxpayers will "foot the bill."

Trade is a two way street and is also a fundamental right of being alive. The Congress doesn't have the right to prohibit trade and I defy you to find that power listed anywhere in Article 1 Section 8 where their power is defined.

There is no taxpayer cost to trading with Cuba other than the goods and services that they might purchase.

If the rationale that is posited about trade with China is correct (that it actually helps bring China into relations with the world and in effect "corrupts" their communist ideals) then the same can be said for Cuba. Turning a communist nation into a capitalist nation is bad why?

12 posted on 03/03/2002 6:50:53 AM PST by Demidog
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To: genew; Dog Gone
Arguments pro and con:

Carole King Sings to Castro

US travelers decry rules on Cuba

13 posted on 03/03/2002 6:54:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GuillermoX
First I see many Cubans being able to eat and buy medicines. Open investment will help the vast majority of Cubans.

Why hasn't this happened before now? Castro can trade with the rest of the world. Many countries did.

Second, I see Castro's biggest excuse for his failure taken off the table.

He can substitute another one. Who's going to object?

14 posted on 03/03/2002 6:57:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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15 posted on 03/03/2002 6:59:52 AM PST by WIMom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Well, the vast majority of Exiled Cubans live in the US, not in other parts of the world. They are the ones who would send capital into the country. The trade between S Fl and Cuba alone would be larger than all other trade combined. Your argument would be analogous to saying "Let's shut down all the supermarkets within a 500 mile radius of a city, and if the citizens of that city really and truly wanted to eat, they could and would go beyond the 500 mile radius".

Castro's main argument against the US for 40 years has been the Embargo. He is 100% PRO-Embargo.

Maybe now you can defend the Embargo, the one Castro relies on and supports more than any other person on earth.

16 posted on 03/03/2002 7:04:17 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I worked with a guy from Cuba a couple years ago. Apparently the Cuban government has a lottery in which the the winner (and his immediate family) gets to go to America. Weird, huh. My theory is that the Cuban government likes the emigrants sending dollars back home to their families, which most of them do.

This guy had no problem making the switch over to capitalism -- he was smart and had a great work ethic. According to him, about 70% of Cubans hate their government. The school teachers are all communists and the people know it and secretly think they're nuts. The pro-government rallies are all staged events with forced participation.

At least this is so according to this fellow, and he seemed abundantly trustworthy to me. He was completely untouched by any government communist indoctrination. He was an independant thinker, skeptical of the government, moral and hardworking -- the perfect conservative capitalist, really. If he's an indication of what Cubans are like, then I think Cuba must be just waiting to pop, in need only of a nudge in the right direction.

I'm not sure what to think about the embargo. I wish I had asked David what he thought about it. My feeling is that we should lift it, but I can also see that doing so might just enrich the government. I don't know. What keeps the Cuban people complacent, and how could it be undermined?

17 posted on 03/03/2002 7:04:52 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The insanity is why doesn't the U.S. invade Cuba and whip the living daylights out of Castro and his thugs and free Cuba. The Soviet support is gone. Ah, must be the wonderful foreign policy.
18 posted on 03/03/2002 7:05:16 AM PST by TransOxus
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To: Demidog
There is no taxpayer cost to trading with Cuba other than the goods and services that they might purchase.

Apparently you haven't been following this very closely. Cubans are not permitted to engage in "self enrichment" and Castro does not work on a cash and carry basis. Castro expects the goods up front and gives his IOU. Castro has said he won't "trade" with the U.S. until he can get the deals "financed." Let me tell you Demigog, that means we, the consumers and the taxpayers (if the loans are backed by the govt.) will foot the bill.

Here's one man that is currying Castro's favor.

Venezuela · Chavez has insisted that oil sales continue to Cuba, despite an unpaid $97 million bill for past sales.--Source

19 posted on 03/03/2002 7:05:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GuillermoX
It's hard to debate this with you GuillermoX if you won't address facts.
20 posted on 03/03/2002 7:07:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ahh, you can't defend the Embargo, can you?
21 posted on 03/03/2002 7:08:16 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Yardstick
I doubt most Exiles send dollars back to Cuba.
22 posted on 03/03/2002 7:09:32 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Yardstick
You probably guessed it but I forgot to mention it: this fellow had won the emigration lottery.
23 posted on 03/03/2002 7:10:41 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Castro expects the goods up front and gives his IOU.

If that is satisfactory with the companies who trade there then it is their choice. That can in no way be construed to be a burden on the American taxpayer. I am not obligated to bail out some company that agrees to those stipulations and then goes belly up. Sorry that you think this is so.

24 posted on 03/03/2002 7:12:44 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife, Luis Gonzalez
Because a small number of powerful exiles in South Florida cow our politicians into keeping the crazy Cuban policy.

Darn those exiles for fleeing here! Darn them again for voting! If it wasn't for them we could have a workers' paradise on our doorstep!

25 posted on 03/03/2002 7:14:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Yardstick
What keeps the Cuban people complacent, and how could it be undermined?

I think 40 years of communist oppression and propaganda of the Castro's regime have broken the back of the people.
I think playing into his hands only tightens his grip on any life left in those left and why President Bush will stand in their stead.

Don't be misled, President Bush is not soft on Cuba--"The American President's outburst sets right some misconceptions in Havana, at the U.S. State Department and on Capitol Hill. The word has been spread that under Secretary of State Colin Powell's tutelage, Bush was going to seek normalization with Castro's dictatorial regime. While the trade embargo may be modified, it will continue and will no longer be the only instrument deployed by Washington to democratize Cuba. What's more, Powell is fully on board with an expanded anti-Castro strategy."

26 posted on 03/03/2002 7:15:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Republican Primary Debate, Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich.

SOURCE

BUSH. ...I want to say something about Cuba in our hemisphere. There are some folks in our country who believe we ought to trade with Cuba. I don't. I think that would be wrong-headed. I think it's be a mistake. Capital that goes into Cuba will be used by the Fidel Castro government to prop itself up. There is a commission-type system in Cuba. Dollars invested will be dollars that will end up supporting this totalitarian regime. It's in our best interests for us to promote freedom in the island right off the coast of Florida. It's in our best interest to keep the pressure on Fidel Castro until he allows free elections, free press and free the prisoners in that island. And for those Americans that believe that trade with Cuba will cause Castro to become less totalitarian, in my judgment are naïve and wrong.

BAUER. Governor, you just made the case for withdrawing most favored nation status from China.

BUSH. I did not.

BAUER. Everything that you just said about Cuba applies to China.

BUSH. Let me answer that. Let me answer that.

RUSSERT. The difference between China and Cuba.

BUSH. May I answer that please?

RUSSERT. Please.

BUSH. There is a huge difference, a huge difference between trading with an entrepreneurial class like that which is growing in China and allowing a Fidel Castro government to skim capital moneys off the top of capital investment. There's a huge difference, a huge difference.

BAUER. Governor, one-third of the trade with China is with companies controlled by the People's Liberation Army.

BUSH. Gary.

BAUER. You know that and I know that. Tell the people rotting in the prisons of China that there's any difference between Castro's Cuba and Communist China. There is none.

BUSH. Let me say this. If we turn our back on the entrepreneurial class that is taking wing in China, we're making a huge mistake. If we turn our back on those that have gotten a whiff of freedom as a result of the marketplace taking hold, we're making a big mistake.

BAUER. Listen, I --

BUSH. We're making a big mistake. We're making a big mistake.

BAUER. The People's Liberation is O.K.?

BUSH. No it's not. I'm talking about the entrepreneurial class that is growing in the country of China.

BAUER. Sir, they are using that money for a massive arms buildup that our sons will have to deal with down the road.

BUSH. Only if you're the president.

BAUER. You can't be tough on China and not on --

BUSH. If I'm the president --

(BOTH TALKING AT ONCE)

RUSSERT. Mr. Bauer. Mr. Bauer, Mr. Bush. Let me move to another area...

27 posted on 03/03/2002 7:16:38 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: GuillermoX
Why do you think not? This guy did. And remember, he is not really an exile, he emigrated legally through this crazy lottery thing.

I'm not arguing by the way, just wondering why you think this.

28 posted on 03/03/2002 7:16:46 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Fidel killed JFK!
29 posted on 03/03/2002 7:18:01 AM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Castro has said he won't "trade" with the U.S. until he can get the deals "financed." Let me tell you Demigog, that means we, the consumers and the taxpayers (if the loans are backed by the govt.) will foot the bill.

Ahh, I see. You are pro Embargo simply to prevent American companies from getting ripped off by Castro. Are you going to send them a bill for your consultative advice? I'm sure they'd be quite appreciative for saving them millions in bad business deals they wanted to undertake, lol.

30 posted on 03/03/2002 7:19:21 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Actually, journalists can freely travel to Cuba. The fact that Neuharth states his "group" was denied permission is disingenuous. He could just as easily traveled with his "group" from Canada or Mexico to Cuba and no one would have known the difference.
31 posted on 03/03/2002 7:19:51 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Demidog
That's why the Bush administration is denying government backed business loans
and why anti-embargo groups are screaming-- government backed=taxpayers.

And as for the company taking losses, it reminds me of shoplifters' gains being paying consumers' higher costs.

32 posted on 03/03/2002 7:20:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There is no logical reason for the disparity in treatment between Cuba and China.

The embargo should be lifted on Cuba or we should treat China in a similar fashion, but we won't because China has bought and paid for our foreign policy and Cuba cannot.

33 posted on 03/03/2002 7:21:10 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: GuillermoX
Ahh, I see. You are pro Embargo simply to prevent American companies from getting ripped off by Castro. Are you going to send them a bill for your consultative advice? I'm sure they'd be quite appreciative for saving them millions in bad business deals they wanted to undertake, lol.

Answer at Post# 32. What are they teaching in U.S. public schools?

34 posted on 03/03/2002 7:22:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Jhoffa_
The embargo should be lifted on Cuba or we should treat China in a similar fashion, but we won't because China has bought and paid for our foreign policy and Cuba cannot.

So you would prop up Castro's regime to make this right?

35 posted on 03/03/2002 7:23:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 1rudeboy
Bump!
36 posted on 03/03/2002 7:24:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That's why the Bush administration is denying government backed business loans and why anti-embargo groups are screaming-- government backed=taxpayers.

I don't believe that the Bush administration is doing this. And as a matter of fact, In Florida, Bush announced that he had "streamlined" the SBA in order that businesses could get loans even faster than ever. If that is "denying government backed business loans" you have a funny idea about what constitutes government-backed loans I'm afraid.

I'm glad to see you repudiate corporate welfare however. And as to the higher prices argument, you are free not to do business with high-priced stores.

37 posted on 03/03/2002 7:24:45 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Yardstick
I am a child of Cuban Exiles. I grew up in Miami. I know for a fact that no one in my family has ever sent money/goods back to Cuba until my dad started sending medicines to his cousin a few months ago. They all considered it traitorous to send dollars to Cuba. This type of thinking is prevelant within the Exile community.

I know that there are many Exiles who would never even consider sending a penny back to Cuba. I would venture to say 80%+ of Exiles would never consider sending a cent back, until Castro is gone.

38 posted on 03/03/2002 7:25:01 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you think China is okay, then why not?

Seriously, if you have no problem with China then what's so bad about Cuba?

It all in your head.. It's all emotional.

39 posted on 03/03/2002 7:25:11 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: TransOxus
I think Bush has Otto Reich working on this.
40 posted on 03/03/2002 7:25:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GuillermoX
"Ahh, I see. You are [anti] Embargo simply to prevent [freedom in Cuba]. Are you going to send them a [check] for your [support]?"

Excellent debate. /sarc

41 posted on 03/03/2002 7:25:31 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Jhoffa_
If you think China is okay, then why not?

I have never said this, nor would I.

42 posted on 03/03/2002 7:26:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Maybe Al likes to go down there to bugger little Cuban boys, or get some fine 11 year old Cuban prostitutes...that's what people in other countries find in Cuba, even Sally Quinn loves the smell of sex in the air in Cuba.

Maybe that jerk could move to Canada, where the people just love traveling to Cuba, and write glowing reviews in Canadian travel mags.

43 posted on 03/03/2002 7:26:21 AM PST by Benrand
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ending the Embargo does not mean "The Gov't must back US business ventures to Cuba". I'm opposed to the Gov't backing ANY business venture, ANYWHERE on earth.

Again, I'm certain that the companies that want to trade in Cuba are ever grateful for you letting them know they won't get paid. After all, they have no clue on making sure they get paid by their customers.

44 posted on 03/03/2002 7:29:08 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There is no reason for the disparity in treatment, but all I hear is how awfull Cuba is.. How we shouldn't even allow people to go there of their own free will..

Invest their own money and so on and so forth..

It's ridiculous.

45 posted on 03/03/2002 7:29:32 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: GuillermoX
I didn't realize this was the case with the exiles, but it makes sense. I wonder, though, if it holds true for the winners of this lottery. Have you ever heard of this lottery?
46 posted on 03/03/2002 7:31:18 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Jhoffa_
Seriously, if you have no problem with China then what's so bad about Cuba?

Where is this equivalency argument coming from? The Buchanan-area of the spectrum? (honest question)
If it is, then wouldn't our Cuba policy be closer to the anti-"foreign entanglement" positions he espouses?

"Seriously, if you have no problem with [sex] then what's so bad about [rape]?"

47 posted on 03/03/2002 7:31:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Read her posts. Her arguments for the Embargo are essentially "Castro refuses to do business unless he is extended credit, and if US businesses extend him credit, they would never get paid and consumers would have to foot the bill instead. We must keep the Embargo up to prevent US businesses from making poor business decisions".
48 posted on 03/03/2002 7:32:00 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Demidog
Two sources that speak to your beliefs:

Vicki Huddleston Q&A: Veteran leader speaks about dissidents, Castro and the U.S. role

Don't be misled, President Bush is not soft on Cuba--"The American President's outburst sets right some misconceptions in Havana, at the U.S. State Department and on Capitol Hill. The word has been spread that under Secretary of State Colin Powell's tutelage, Bush was going to seek normalization with Castro's dictatorial regime. While the trade embargo may be modified, it will continue and will no longer be the only instrument deployed by Washington to democratize Cuba. What's more, Powell is fully on board with an expanded anti-Castro strategy."

49 posted on 03/03/2002 7:32:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: genew
Because there isn't enough slave labor in Cuba to keep Nike's, et al's, profits high?

DITTO!

50 posted on 03/03/2002 7:33:00 AM PST by SkiBum
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