Posted on 03/05/2002 3:08:42 AM PST by Donald Stone
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Most federal law enforcement agencies will suffer from corruption and incompetence, but that won't stop people from defending them for their own political points and do an eleanor clift like (boot?) licking to try to spin what is merely just the latest of a long and continuing history of major screw ups.
Well, which is it? this is the first I've read of an 'M-14'. All previous accounts have been of the use of an M-4. The M-14 is indeed an assault rifle that is a .30 caliber carbine with select fire. The M-4 is an automatic weapon firing a pistol caliber and therefore a submachine gun.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
You're right law enforcement isn't perfect - no human is. However, when an unarmed civillian is shot in the face trying to comply with law enforcement orders, this is a problem. I agree that it was a mistake and mistakes happen, and I personally wouldn't try to put the FBI officer in jail. BUT, he sure wouldn't be working for the FBI anymore if I were in charge. Bye-bye trigger happy.
"These guys like the patience and respect we pay to them so that their comfort level is a least a little bit higher that I'm not going to pull out a .357 and whack 'em."
That's all well and good. I once knew an FBI agent who did the same thing whenever he was off-duty but armed. But in this case, the Agents were apparently too far away to engage in that kind of conversation with the occupants. The Agents told them to raise their hands and then to exit the car. Even without undoing the seatbelt, how are you going to exit the car with your hands raised? This is either a grossly incompetent agent, piss-poor training or both.
Anyway, it's no pistol round. I used to hunt groundhogs and other varmints with a .223, it's pretty devastating. I'm surprised young Schultz is alive.
Regards,
The father of the young lady who was driving the car was on the program {Ron Smith's WBAL program as reported by Frepper jackbill) and he said that after the young man was shot in the face, he was handcuffed and laid face-down on the ground for about an hour - until the FBI found out that they had the wrong guy. Only then did they call for medical assistance.The shot might arguably be accidental -- I'd say it could have been manslaughter as it following a whole sequence of poor and endangering procedure. The follow-up lack of getting medical attention, combined with the "whopping it up" indicating mindset, imho, is criminal.She said that while her friend was laying on the ground the FBI agents were whooping it up and refused her begging that they call medical aid.
I have been pulled over a number of times by local and state constabulary in my life and never would I reach down to unbuckle my seat belt without first telling the officer that is what I was going to do next. Call it a young man's mistake, but if this kid had only said loudly, "I'm going to unbuckle my seat belt, officer!", he might have avoided a bullet. Law enforcement officers are very interested in where your hands are during a traffic stop.
Even if the guy had been a real bank robber, the FBI agents behaviour was criminal.
Ah yes, an "unfortunate situation". ROFL - who's acting Clintonesque here? That sounds like something I'd hear out of the mouth of Paul Begala. You know very well the difference between condemning the actions of THESE agents and condemning the entire FBI. People here on FR are understandably disgusted with how THIS INCIDENT was handled, but that won't stop you from trying to spin it as unwarranted criticism of all cops.
You're right! It's the unarmed kid's fault! The highly trained and armed law enforcement officier should walk! < /sarcasm >
I think I'd first call it an agent's mistake.
Is this SOP to confuse the teenage girl?
This article leaves out the part where Schultz was handcuffed and placed face down on the ground (after he was shot in the face) for about an hour, while the gestapo refused to call for emergency medical care which Schultz's girlfriend pleaded for.
I am so tired of these f--kers getting away with this sh!t! How much longer will the nation sit back and allow these guys to cover each other's a$$es. The guy that shot the individual needs to fired, period, and the commanding officer needs to go too. Who lets anyone bleed for an hour? I can't believe I'm hearing this - no I can - it's the FBI. I'm tired of the "big-wigs" getting away with whatever they want.
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