Huge Gains For Dutch Far Right

The Guardian (UK) ^ | 3-8-2002 | Andrew Osborne

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Huge gains for Dutch far right

Andrew Osborn
Friday March 8, 2002
The Guardian

The Dutch government was under pressure last night after a new far-right movement committed to slashing immigration made widespread gains in local elections and became the biggest political force in Rotterdam, the Netherlands' second city.
The spectacular gains by the charismatic but openly racist politician Pim Fortuyn and a loose coalition of parties centred on the anti-immigration Leefbaar Nederland (Liveable Netherlands) movement come two months before national elections and threaten to shatter the country's image as an ultra-tolerant society.

Mr Fortuyn favours zero Muslim immigration, wants to cut the annual number of immigrants accepted to 10,000 from 40,000, and has campaigned for a key anti- discrimination clause to be removed from the constitution.

In Rotterdam, where almost half of the 600,000 population are of non-Dutch extraction, Mr Fortuyn captured 17 of the city council's 45 seats, putting an end to the ruling Labour party's post-war dominance. With 34.7% of the votes, Leefbaar Nederland is now the city's largest party.

Bram Peper, the ousted mayor of Rotterdam, said: "I don't know what's going on, but something is terribly wrong in Rotterdam." (Idiot!)

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Enough is enough, huh?

[knarf]

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[Big Bunyip]

Watch the smear campaign begin.

[knarf]

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[jackbill]

Bram Peper, the ousted mayor of Rotterdam, said: "I don't know what's going on, but something is terribly wrong in Rotterdam."

Don't you just love it when idiots proclaim their idiocy?

[Dialup Llama]

>Watch the smear campaign begin.

From what I've read about Fortyn, no smear campaign against him would have an effect.

[Dialup Llama]

Without getting specific, this IS the DUTCH far right. So don't expect Pat Buchanan here.

[Chi-townChief]

And he at least could have took advantage of the natural alliteration and said "rotten in Rotterdam."

[Antoninus]

I know several Dutch folks. One is a guy in his late 50's and he's so PC, it's almost comical. However, after he's had a few beers (and it's not long into the day with him!), you can often get him going about how the Netherlands is being overrun by foreigners and soon the country will lose its national identity.

I don't cry for these petty European socialist countries. They made their beds. Too bad they've got 12 guys named Ali sleeping in them now...

[Ronin]

Remember what they did to Austria when they had the nerve to elect a "far-right" government a while back.

It will be interesting to observe Euro-weenie reaction to this in the post Sept. 11 environment.

[GuillermoX]

Watch for diplomatic sanctions, like we saw when Austrians dared vote for Haider.

[GuillermoX]

Talk about sour grapes.

And, how dare a European politician want to keep his country European. Imagine a politician in the USA who would take a "anti moslem" immigration stance. He would be crucified.

[mikeIII]

There are also reports that Le Penn, the far-out right winger of France, making gains. We'll see this trend sweeping across Europe. But here, where the attacks occurred, we're still all about being PC and have our law-makers demanding the release of detained illegal Middle-Easterners!

[Free the USA]

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[Red Jones]

wow, I think that's too bad about holland being over-run by non dutch. I feel the same way about germany & england. The people in all 3 countries got hoodwinked by the elites, just like in america they've done so much to us. I don't see what was racist about the people in holland for wanting their nation for themselves. I wonder if zimbabwe or saudi arabia allow immigrants to come and live equally as citizens. In zimbabwe they kill white people whose families have lived there for a hundred years. In Saudi they don't permit anyone to worship freely. But the Europeans are the racists.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

From what I've read about Fortyn, no smear campaign against him would have an effect.

At least you know something about him, which is more than most of us. Characterizations by left wing journalists about 'far-right' European parties mean almost nothing today. The Christian Democrats, who have governed Germany most of the time since WWII named their candidate a month or two ago, and he was also called 'far-right'. All we know about this guy based on this article is that he wants to restrict immighration. We know nothing about his other positions, or whether he used racist terminology.

[quebecois]

"Huge gains for Dutch far right"

I'm not sure whether the West will wake up, but if it doesn't, then the writing is on the wall. Rotterdam is half non-Dutch? Geesh. Why did they fight to save their country from the Germans, just to turn it over to the Arabs?

How on earth can a people be led to a philosophical belief that their own continued existence in their own land is evil?

By what contorted world-view is someone who wants to preserve their ancient heritage considered "far out on the political spectrum", while those who want to flood their nation with foreign, relgious fanantics and criminals considered "mainstream" and "moral"?

[Lizavetta]

So restricting immigration is far-right, but "ultra tolerance" is not far-left? When are the Dutch, and other liberals, going to realize that ultra tolerance means, in practical terms, that nothing is wrong? How utterly brain-dead can you be to embrace that as a nation?

[Jumper]

Greetings from The Netherlands! Yes, its true. I'm an American working here in South Limburg area and it was a shocking upset. This party went from no candidates in office to 18 voted in and is now the majority party which is more important than just "putting an end to the ruling Labour party's post-war dominance". My Dutch coworkers are becoming very conservative.... I've been here nearly three years and Austria's Haider was hit with sanctions I pointed out to them that these political and economic sanctions consitituted a double standard but that was Okay by them even in as much as they recongnized it was wrong - just necessary.

Now my Dutch friends are excited! They view this guy as being one of the first to speak out with the truth - they are just wondering if he is all mouth and no substance....

Yep, I'm beginning to beleive that humans cycle in generational pulls, and every 3-4 generations there are swings in the political arena in which it goes back and forth between conservative and liberal - looks as if the Dutch have had 'nuff of the the Elite European Liberalizm for now.

[Honorary Serb]

...Mr Fortuyn favours zero Muslim immigration...

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Favoring zero muslim immigration, whether in the Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Australia, or the United States is not necessarily "right wing" or "racist".

It just means WANTING TO LIVE as FREE people, and not wanting to leave the children you love a world ruled by muslims!!!! Because total world conquest is what islam has ALWAYS been about!!!

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"Yep, I'm beginning to beleive that humans cycle in generational pulls, and every 3-4 generations there are swings in the political arena in which it goes back and forth between conservative and liberal - looks as if the Dutch have had 'nuff of the the Elite European Liberalizm for now."

Congratulations to your friends. There is hope.

[fortress]

Hey people,
This guy Fortuyn can't be all that bad, if Knighthawk is voting for him.
Please read his thread Dutch Right poised....

[Age of Reason]

Mr Fortuyn favours zero Muslim immigration, wants to cut the annual number of immigrants accepted to 10,000 from 40,000, and has campaigned for a key anti- discrimination clause to be removed from the constitution

10,000? Why so many?

[iav2]

Interesting.

[Travis McGee]

bttt!

[blam]

"10,000? Why so many?"

I agree, one more is to many.

[knighthawk]

Bram Peper, the ousted mayor of Rotterdam, said: "I don't know what's going on, but something is terribly wrong in Rotterdam

Peper should know, he was caught when he did large scale fraud. He took family with him to Indonesia and let the city Rotterdam pay for it (cost: about 10.000 Euro a ticket). Also he did fraud with 'businessdinners': he let the city pay for private dinners. But, in typical PvdA fashion, he was left off the hook, creating great controversy.

Also there was a list in the national media, which showed the top 'refunders' (the councilmembers that spend the most money on dinners and trips). Strangely all the top spots were held by PvdA members. But hey, it's just public money and they are socialists, so they public won't mind, they thought! Now they get the bill for screwing around.

[knighthawk]

Hallo, ook de groeten uit Nederland.

I also live in Limburg (in Helden, a toen between Venlo and Roermond).

I confirm the way we Dutch people are fed up with liberalism and the socialists. And about the Dutch people getting excited about him.

My father voted all his life for the PvdA, even my mother could not convince him of the CDA. But he became tired of the way the government treats people. He will vote for Fortuyn too! So will almost all people I know too!

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"Also there was a list in the national media, which showed the top 'refunders' (the councilmembers that spend the most money on dinners and trips). Strangely all the top spots were held by PvdA members. But hey, it's just public money and they are socialists, so they public won't mind, they thought! Now they get the bill for screwing around.

Just like socialist everywhere.

[knighthawk]

Rotterdam is half non-Dutch

42% is non-Dutch in Rotterdam, and with crime figures like this: "the police in Rotterdam accounced that of the street robberies there, 1% were committed by Dutch nationals and 99% by immigrants (45% were Antillians, 38% Moroccan, 16% Turkish/Eastern European)" (source: the Telegraaf and nu.nl) it is not hard to believe 47,5% of the people in Rotterdam feel unsafe on the streets.

[knighthawk]

From what I've read about Fortyn, no smear campaign against him would have an effect

That is correct. Fortuyn is very good at debating and knows his facts very well (he wrote 50 books and was a professor sociology). After the elections there was a debate about the upcoming national elections where Fortuyn and the other leaders of all parties were present. Melkert (from the PvdA, socialists) was angry and sad about his party's incredible loss and was taking it out on Fortuyn. Fortuyn kept his head and he really won the debate. The next day the newspapers wrote that Melkert really looked bad, so bad that now Wim Kok, the PvdA prime-minister will do the campeign from now on.

[skeeter]

The spectacular gains by the charismatic

read: gay = good

but openly racist politician

read: for restricting immigration = bad

Pim Fortuyn...

Just trying to help ya'll read between the lines...

[knighthawk]

By the way, the bus (soundvehicle) from Livable Rotterdam was stolen by a member of the SP (a far left party, as in turing all the money from the working people over to the unemployed) as a 'gag' (in the eyes of extreme left, crime committed by them and their voters does not count). They also staged the 'demonstration' of the homeless people in front of Pim's house.