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The Paleolithic Diet and Its Modern Implications
Chet Day ^ | Unknown | An Interview with Loren Cordain

Posted on 03/07/2002 6:16:05 PM PST by Pharmboy

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To: Pharmboy
Can hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution be wrong? What are we really "designed" to eat?

You don't need to be an evo-loser to comprehend that Elaine Morgan is almost certainly correct in thinking that modern humans originally lived in water.

The original human diet was some combination of fish, shellfish, and fruit which they went up on shore for.

101 posted on 10/08/2006 8:54:33 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: Pharmboy
I have read that they had a form of Soylent Green way back then.
102 posted on 10/08/2006 9:11:23 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didnít really talk ó he was hitting on my wife)
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To: Pharmboy

http://www.amazon.com/Win-War-Within-Clinically-Inflamation-/dp/1594863172/ref=sr_11_1/102-7912886-0456107?ie=UTF8

Got this book yesterday. About this very subject, by Johns Hopkins dept. head. Speaks of neolithic hunter-gatherer diet, "AA Pathway," etc. I will post excerpts tomorrow...quite amazing research and conclusions.

He recommends EPA Omega 3 WITH GLA from Borage Oil, says it short-circuits inflammation key in diabetes, arthritis, heart disease, allergies, even obesity.....says modern recommended diet is 100% WRONG. Advises to avoid refined carbs, eat lean meat, green vegs....promises noticeable relief from such conditions within 10 days or so.

Quite amazing, sound research...rather compelling...at least to Dr. Muttly (played one on stage in 5th. grade, to rave reviews!)


103 posted on 10/08/2006 11:43:56 PM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Character is Destiny" -- Heraclitus)
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To: All

To quote a radio program statement by the late Carleton Fredericks, Chief of Nutrition at Cornell University:

"If you want to be really healthy, eat the entire animal, nose to tail."


104 posted on 10/08/2006 11:52:01 PM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Character is Destiny" -- Heraclitus)
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To: PoorMuttly

Have many, many Rodale published books. Might buy this one.

Have taken Borage Oil for years. What does the book say it helps?


105 posted on 10/09/2006 5:05:28 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Myrddin

tx for wake-up call on this article and site from which it comes


106 posted on 10/09/2006 5:15:52 AM PDT by 1234 (WHO is Responsible for ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS?)
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To: tomzz
The original human diet was some combination of fish, shellfish, and fruit which they went up on shore for. You're making me crave sashimi.
107 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:54 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Pharmboy

Anecdotal evidence--I think there really is value to increasing the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids in our diet. After seeing a dermatologist on Maryland Public TV explaining the importance of Omega-3, I started taking lots of fish-oil capsules (4-6 capsules/day), and my allergy problems (something I have struggled with all my life) have pretty much gone away!

I'm trying to work myself into a caveman diet. I already eat venison about 3 times a week, and lots of fish too.


108 posted on 10/09/2006 5:36:44 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SamAdams76

"I agree with your way of thinking. The life expectancy of humans has increased enormously since switching to a carbohydrate-based diet. Granted, some of that increase can be attributed to better medical care and hygiene. But as you point out, the Asians, who eat mostly rice have very long lifespans. As do Italians who eat lots of breads, wines and pastas."

I would tend to disagree that carbohydrates - or the carbs that our country consumes - are the key to long life.

Asians eat a wholly dissimilar diet than we do, while it's based on rice, it also lacked the sugar and white, bleached wheat of ours. They eat more vegetables, eat more protein, especially from shellfish and fish, and most westerners find the diet very bland or too spicy for their palate.

Italians are the same - lots of good fats, like olive oil, lots of vegetables, meats, fish, and wine. Their diet is not pasta based, that's an American idea.

The American diet is loaded up with cane sugar, fructose syrup, white bleached flour (essentially nutrient-free - they have to advertise on white bread that they ADD nutrients) and bad trans-fats. We DO NOT eat the same carbs as the Asians or Italians, and to compare us to them is hilarious. Our palate in the US is so overloaded by carbs and sugars it's scary.

I tend to think the longer life expectancy is due more to better healthcare, medicine, easier lifestyles, more access to minerals and vitamins and nutrients (which we now avoid as a culture and favor manufactured foods), and our sedentary lifestyles (as compared to the always active hunter/gatherer). We also don't fight wild animals with sticks, and if we break a bone, get an infection, or develop pnuemonia, we just go see the doctor. We can cure some forms of cancer, and operate to repair or fix our problems. The cavemen had none of this.

They also had no pollution, toxic waste or any of the other nasties we do, yet they lived shorter lives - one could also use your logic and say pollution makes us live longer.

To say carbs make us live longer is quite amusing, and I'd love to see the science to back that up - especially since our carb and sugar based diet is causing diabetes and obesity and the diseases that it causes to skyrocket into staggering numbers.

It also depends on what you define as a carb, and what carbs we're talking about - not all carbs are bad. You also need to put the diet you're talking about into a context, in other words lifestyle and culture, and genetic background. Asians I know who tried Atkins did horribly, and it made them ill to consume the large amounts of protein in that diet, but everyone I know who's of Western European stock does remarkably well. '

Anyway, before I stray too far from the point, I think saying carbs are the answer to long life is entirely too simplistic and wildly naive in the face of the data we have. It strikes me as a rationalization to consume carbs - hey, if you want them, eat them, but don't try to sell them like the snake oil salesmen of old.


109 posted on 10/09/2006 8:16:03 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: Pharmboy

My ancestors were Inuit. I HATE whale blubber! :(


110 posted on 10/09/2006 10:11:21 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Miss Marple
Eat MEAT!
It's what is, and was, for dinner.
111 posted on 10/09/2006 10:15:19 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Dustbunny; All

First...BE CAREFUL !!!!!!

Pg.120, paraphrased:

"GLA (....as found in Borage oil) is transformed into DGLA, but, as I just noted, that's not the only fatty acid it can form. In fact, GLA is actually delivering two separate streams into two different buckets. One...GLA delivered to your inflammatory cells; ...the other to your liver. The GLA delivered to inflammatory cells is converted to friendly DGLA. The GLA to your liver is converted to AA -- the exact thing we're trying to avoid!

...So taking too much GLA can actually put you at risk for a cardiac event. They don't tell you that at the health-food store!"

He says that GLA should be taken with OMEGA-3 EPA.

"this also makes a lot of sense in terms of the hunter-gatherer diet. In addition to fruits, nuts, legumes, roots, and other non-cereals, early man ate a great deal of shellfish, which contains high levels of EPA. That's why the hunter-gatherer diet is estimated to have had an Omega-6 to Omega-3 fatty-acid ratio of 1:1, as opposed to the ratio of 20:1 found in most American diets today. From an evolutionary perspective, it makes perfect sense that we'd need to have a combination of GLA and EPA for our immune system to work properly.

Let me spell this out. Hunter-gatherers would have gotten the LA they needed from the animals they hunted for food: the GLA..from the nuts, legumes, and roots they gathered: the EPA from the shellfish they ate. Because the animals they ate were much lower in fat, as venison and other game meats are today, they would have gotten very little AA from their diets. In other words, hunter-gatherers were getting a near-perfect balance of polyunsaturated fatty acids for the optimal operation of their immune systems, by simply eating what was available to them. By contrast, the meat and fish we eat today are loaded with AA and LA, and we get very little GLA and EPA from our diets."

The AA is the stuff which causes inflammation. He has a list of foods to avoid, like farm-raised fish, such as salmon, and to also avoid egg yolks. He favors LEAN beef and lamb, and recommends supplimentation with Omega-3 fish oil and GLA-containing Borage Oil, and to NEVER take GLA without Omega-3.

These folks sent me the offer for this book:

http://www.puritan.com/


112 posted on 10/09/2006 10:28:17 AM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Character is Destiny" -- Heraclitus)
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To: Pharmboy

Don't you find it at least interesting that as humans gave up their paleolithic diet, their civilization became much more complex? First agriculture, then architecture, the making of clay pots (which were used for, not only cooking and storing food, but chamber pots), writing, mathematics, and indoor plumbing?

In contrast, hunters and gatherers lived in huts, where the chief occupation of the males was killing each other and stealing each other's women, and the chief occupation of women, when they weren't busy being stolen, was frantically attempting to gather as many roots and berries and insects and baby birds as they could so everybody wouldn't starve to death?

The image of "man the mighty hunter" is belied by dietary studies of hunter-gatherer cultures throughout the world. Men brought home the wild meat from time to time but women brought home the calories, protein, carbohydrates, fat, every day.


113 posted on 10/09/2006 10:36:05 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Pistias

If we all tried to survive on wild meat, after we killed off all the game, we'd all die. Well, most of us.

Which is one of the main reasons that purely hunter-gatherer cultures tend(ed) to live in small, isolated tribes.


114 posted on 10/09/2006 10:39:22 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
You are correct on all counts, with a slight modification by me. Studies have shown that women are consistently responsible for bringing in about 65% of the total calories that tribals eat; the men do bring in the high quality protein, however.

And, people could only build civilizations once they stayed in one spot--agriculture allowed them just that.

115 posted on 10/09/2006 11:01:29 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping to check out at home!


116 posted on 10/09/2006 2:50:51 PM PDT by Eaker (Dix, TexasCowboy and Flyer all now live in the next best place to Texas . .. Heaven)
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To: PoorMuttly
Thank you. Interesting.

I take the Borage Oil because it is higher in GLA than Evening Primrose Oil but I also take CLA (tonalin) which people used to get more of when their milk was whole and the cows, goats etc. were on pasture more than they are today.

117 posted on 10/09/2006 4:23:44 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Pharmboy

http://www.amazon.com/Low-Carb-Bartender-Counts-Drinks/dp/1593372531/sr=1-2/qid=1160436472/ref=sr_1_2/002-4679689-2028806?ie=UTF8&s=books


118 posted on 10/09/2006 4:28:17 PM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Pharmboy

I just had a thick baloney sandwich and some green beans with fat back. Is that cave woman enough? Oh, and a couple of Reisen's candies for dessert.


119 posted on 10/09/2006 4:30:52 PM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: Twinkie

You savage, you.


120 posted on 10/09/2006 4:34:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy

Eat raw meat.


121 posted on 10/09/2006 4:39:46 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Raw meat (from a trusted source) is probably a good idea. But remember, control of fire goes back quite a while, so grilling is practically genetic..


122 posted on 10/09/2006 4:45:24 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: grey_whiskers

There was also a book on prehistoric diets by Lionel Tiger (circa 1987).


123 posted on 10/09/2006 10:06:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy
here's one originally printed in the WSJ, reproduced at this living URL:
The Caveman Diet
by Lionel Tiger
July 9, 2002
Step back for a moment. We evolved as hunters and gatherers. Agraduate student in my Rutgers department, Matt Sponheimer, published an article in Nature in l999 showing from the micro-analysis of wear on fossil teeth that our ancestors were eating meat over 2.5 million years ago. We mainly ate meat, fish, fruits, vegetables, and nuts. We have to assume our physiology evolved in association with this diet. The balanced diet for our species was what we could acquire then, not what the government and doctors tell us to eat now... Within medicine and anthropology there has been a controversy brewing for years about the possible unhealthiness of the diet made possible -- and even necessary given our crowded planet -- by agriculture. The most popular expression of sharp wariness about particular agricultural products was the 1972 book, "Diet Revolution," in which Robert Akins argued that eating carbohydrates, especially grains -- which are cheap -- made people hungry so they ate more and burgeoned.

124 posted on 10/09/2006 10:13:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: arielb; Pharmboy; All

Actually eating like a caveman did not mean eating only meat/fish/foul. It also included eating all kinds of vegetable matter, nuts, roots, and fruits.

Many modern ills are caused be eating a high carb diet that encourages the growth of candida albicans or thrush. This yeast infection can cause many kinds of symptoms. In fact if you have a health problem, especially one that is vague or hard to diagnose, try the "caveman diet". Basically, when you select food to eat, ask yourself, was someone, somewhere able to eat this 10,000 years ago. If the answer is yes then it is part of a "caveperson diet".

If you are infected with yeast, and try this diet, your yeast will "demand" that you eat sweets and carbohydrate, saying "feed me, feed me". You have to be strong for a few days and say "no $^(_*&& yeast is going to dictate my life." As the yeast starts to die of starvation it will poison your body and you may feel ill for a few days. The more yeast in your system, the worse you may feel. Be patient, give the "Caveman/Atkins Diet" a week, and you should start to feel a lot better and your symptoms improve.

I was once called to the home of a fellow in the last stages of AIDS, suffering from severe yeast infection. I looked in his refrigerator to find something to cook for him. Of 23 foods, only one was not a yeast treat. The only not yeast feeder he had was chicken.

If you want to try the Atkins Diet, easy to find on Google, be sure you start with the rigorous "Induction Phase". Your body will burn Fats, Carbohydrates/Sugars, or Protein for energy. By eliminating almost all Carb/Sugar, and eating adequate protein, and some fat, the body will burn the surplus fat in your body first. You can eat lots of green salad, celery, cucumbers, etc. Some cheese, sour cream, ricotta. 1 or 2 eggs, 2 slices of bacon, and modest quantities of related foods. This diet really works, and you don't feel all that hungry on it. Also take good vitamin/mineral supplements while dieting.

Asians do eat a lot of rice, but also a lot of low carb vegetables, and seaweed, which is high in trace minerals. The caveman was not killed by his diet, but by severe living conditions like winter, drought, etc.


125 posted on 10/10/2006 12:39:19 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

And who said the caveman's diet was all meat and fish? Loren Cordain's book, based on anthropological data is the best on the subject. The yeast stuff is hooey, IMO.


126 posted on 10/10/2006 3:19:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy

Why do you say the yeast stuff is hooey? I'm leaving town until this weekend, but have some other stories that might interest you related to yeast/fungus problems which I will relate on my return.


127 posted on 10/10/2006 10:25:56 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Need scientific data and not anecdotal stories. Without the application of scientific methodology to test the claims, it becomes faith-based or emotional in origin. No good.


128 posted on 10/10/2006 10:45:35 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Toahine
Honestly, this misconception about life expectancy is so widespread it is hard for me to believe so many people don't understand the mathematics of averages.

Always been a pet peeve of mine...

129 posted on 10/10/2006 11:05:07 AM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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