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'Deadly' Canadian snipers cut down enemy fighters
The Globe and Mail ^ | March 14, 2002 | DANIEL LEBLANC

Posted on 03/14/2002 6:16:37 PM PST by Black Powder

OTTAWA -- A team of six Canadian snipers shot dead heavily armed Taliban or al-Qaeda members in Afghanistan over the past week -- the first confirmed enemy killings in combat by Canadian troops since the Korean War.

Speaking about the fighting as part of Operation Anaconda, Vice-Admiral Greg Maddison said the snipers "suppressed enemy mortar and heavy machine-gun positions with deadly accuracy."

That information emerged yesterday as 600 Canadian and U.S. soldiers launched a new combat mission, called Operation Harpoon, in eastern Afghanistan. Under Canadian command, the soldiers were flown in by helicopter from the Bagram air base, up to a mountainous area where they will chase down Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters.

The coalition troops encountered no resistance as they set up their positions early in the day, getting ready for a mission that will last two to seven days.

Canadian officials estimate that there are fewer than 100 enemy fighters hiding in caves and mountains in the area that they call the Whale Back.

It was during the Operation Anaconda phase that Canadian snipers felled enemy fighters while defending U.S. troops that were under fire.

"As the American battalion was moving down the ridge and dealing with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters that they were encountering, the snipers were there to provide defensive capability," Adm. Maddison said.

He would not say how many enemy fighters the snipers killed or provide any other details of the incident.

There have been no Canadian casualties in the operations so far.

While Canadians soldiers have killed people during peacekeeping missions, the last time the country's military used lethal force in combat was in 1953.

Operation Harpoon is commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran of the Canadian Forces. He is leading 500 soldiers from the Edmonton-based Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, and about 100 U.S. troops from the 10th Mountain Division.

The mission is called a "mopping up" -- finding and eliminating pockets of resistance after a major operation. Hundreds of Taliban and al-Qaeda members were killed as part of the U.S.-led Operation Anaconda, which is winding down.

Some fighters survived, and have fled northwest to the Whale Back.

Commodore Jean-Pierre Thiffault, the top Canadian officer at Central Command in Tampa, Fla., said that Operation Harpoon is "a combat operation to clear out the remaining al-Qaeda and Taliban pockets in caves and other sites in the mountainous areas south of Gardez, near the Whale Back."

Adm. Maddison said this will be a risky endeavour in a dangerous area: mountainous and rough terrain that is filled with caves and holes where the enemy might be hiding.

"It is not a benign environment. Whilst our folks are well-trained and they're well led, and they're prepared for this sort of mission, the risks are high," he said.

Operation Harpoon started with intense bombing of the Whale Back area by U.S. bombers, followed by the "insertion" of Canadian troops under the protection of gunship helicopters.

"There was a heavy amount of air cover that was used to soften the terrain, if you will," Adm. Maddison said.

Operation Harpoon is much smaller than Operation Anaconda, although both are happening in the same general area.

Operation Anaconda focused on an area called Shahi Kot, in which hundreds of Taliban or al-Qaeda fighters had congregated.

Two teams of Canadian snipers, or sharpshooters, are with the coalition fighting in Afghanistan, both from the Princess Patricia's regiment.

Snipers are part of a battalion's reconnaissance platoon. Their job is to figure out how to get as close to the enemy as possible. They are experts in camouflage and concealment, and can pick off human prey with rifles from as far away as 900 metres, or the length of nine football fields.

Canada's snipers -- there are only a few dozen -- learn their trade at the Combat Training Centre at CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick. In addition to six snipers, the Canadian contribution to Operation Anaconda included an indefinite number of commando troops from the Joint Task Force 2 and 10 others members of the Princess Patricia's regiment.

The JTF2 members are back at their home base now. It is Canadian policy to release almost no information on their activities. Adm. Maddison said the JTF2 engaged in combat, but didn't say if they killed anyone.

Canada has contributed 2,400 troops so far to the war on terrorism.

It has almost 900 soldiers in Afghanistan, while the others are working on ships and planes in the area.

Canadian Alliance MP Leon Benoit -- a frequent critic of Canada's defence policy -- praised the work of troops in Afghanistan.

"I'm proud of the snipers and the important role they provided in giving cover to the other soldiers moving in, and I'm proud of the mission led by Canadians."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; banglist; canada; canadian; military; talibanlist; veitnam; warlist
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To: oldvike
Out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to know (as a rough guesstimate) what the average muzzle velocity is of a standard sniper rifle?

Here are some links to Canadian C3 and C3A1 sniper rifles. These are being fazed out for a more modern weapon, but I know that the Canadians in Afghanistan are still using the Canadian variant of the Parker Hale M82.

Parker-Hale M82

Canadian C3A1 (Parker-Hale M82)

Parker-Hale M85 (German) This site gives us the muzzle velocity of the M85 as 1,160 m/s.

42 posted on 03/14/2002 8:02:07 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: Black Powder
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for our Canadian friends!!! God bless you!
43 posted on 03/14/2002 8:51:28 PM PST by brat
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To: mosby
Good note mosby..I did a little checking and they are credited for service at Flanders in France...In Flanders Fields was written by Canadian John McCrae...

In Flanders Fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.


We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.


Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

44 posted on 03/14/2002 8:52:59 PM PST by in the Arena
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To: Gonzo
bttt
45 posted on 03/14/2002 8:54:04 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Black Powder
The Taliban should have learned from history what the devil's brigade did to the Germans.
46 posted on 03/14/2002 8:54:43 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: MissAmericanPie

47 posted on 03/14/2002 9:13:53 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: IncredibleHulk
30-06 M2 ball ammo is a 152 grain bullet going 2740 Feet Per Second.

.308 M59 and M-80 ball ammo is a 150 grain bullet going 2750 Feet Per Second.

Since I'm only punching paper, my favorite for both is the Sierra 168 Grain Match King bullet. I think my speed for both is around 2700 FPS.

48 posted on 03/14/2002 9:36:37 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Black Powder
"Parker-Hale M85 (German) This site gives us the muzzle velocity of the M85 as 1,160 m/s."

I think that 1,160 figure refers to the overall length of the weapon in millimeters. The muzzle velocity appears to be the 810 figure in meters/sec.

49 posted on 03/14/2002 9:47:32 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Black Powder
The picture said that the rifle was a c-3. From what I can see of it, it looks like a Parker-Hale .308. The caliber is always in question but that's what the Brits are using.
50 posted on 03/14/2002 9:49:40 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Oops. I didn't see that Black Powder posted the C-3 infomation on post 42. Sorry all.
51 posted on 03/14/2002 9:53:57 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
The picture said that the rifle was a c-3. From what I can see of it, it looks like a Parker-Hale .308.

Yes. The Canadian C3 is a Parker-Hale M82.

52 posted on 03/14/2002 9:55:29 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: Shooter 2.5
Oops. I didn't see that Black Powder posted the C-3 infomation on post 42. Sorry all.

Good eye, though.

53 posted on 03/14/2002 9:57:28 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: nightdriver
I think that 1,160 figure refers to the overall length of the weapon in millimeters. The muzzle velocity appears to be the 810 figure in meters/sec.

What the website says in German is 810 to 1,160 m/s depending on the weight of the projectile.

Since one meter is slightly larger than yard, we can multiple by three and roughly estimate the maximum velocity to be 3480 feet/sec.

54 posted on 03/14/2002 10:07:08 PM PST by Black Powder
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To: Black Powder
Whoa, thanks for the picture.
55 posted on 03/14/2002 10:11:23 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Black Powder
I'd really like to see the 308 load that would produce 3480 fps. Have to be less than a 120 gr bullet or some pretty hot double-base powder. Never seen a 308 throw 150 grains over 3000. 'Course, I ain't seen it all, either!
56 posted on 03/14/2002 10:18:55 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Travis McGee;in the Arena
That was our specialty, Travis, and we were real good at it!

After WW-I and WW-II, we decided NOT to be buried 'In Flanders Fields!'

The lines were blurred enough after the French defeat in 1953 at Dien-Bien-Phu, to allow us to kill the Commie bastards.

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The world has changed since then, Travis, but markmanship still counts.

Stay well and vigilant, guys.........FRegards

57 posted on 03/14/2002 11:33:01 PM PST by gonzo
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To: Black Powder
What? They're not useing the much hated .50 sniper rifle that Rosie et al want to ban? Why not?
58 posted on 03/14/2002 11:57:27 PM PST by fella
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To: Black Powder
The range looks like aboot 550 meters.....eh?
59 posted on 03/15/2002 3:28:05 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: oldvike
I believe US snipers use the M852 Lake City Match ammo. It is 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win.) caliber. It uses the Sierra 168 grain Matchking bullet. Velocity is 2550 fps.

Regards

J.R.

60 posted on 03/15/2002 3:39:04 AM PST by NMC EXP
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