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Posted on 03/18/2002 3:06:32 AM PST by Lloyd227Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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Why wasn't he shot running away? Oh, these were ill trained police officers who have more than questions to answer for an illegal shoot.
This guy was involved in a killing of another unarmed suspect before this. A loaded firearm was "nearby." Can you say trigger happy cowboy? I knew you could.
The FBI SWAT team is an accident waiting to happen. Do they have a logo? A motto? Something with Skull and crossbones would be fitting. Perhaps a motto of "They're all "clean shoots" sooner or later."
Trigger happy cowboy and a "drop" gun.
Of course it's a "clean shoot", the FiBbIe works for the government. Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.,ad nausium, they're all "clean shoots".
MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '5-'66
Thanks for posting this.
You noticed that too huh?
Sneeze and you're Swiss cheese...according to this apologist article.
Bottomline, an unarmed man was shot in the face and nearly killed by a trigger-happy Gestapo agent. What's so difficult to understand about this?
You're absolutely right. Worse yet, this is the only paper I can find that's giving this story ANY coverage at all.
Don't let the pressure on them ease up or this is sure to become a "clean shoot"
Gee, who to believe, an Eagle Scout or four FBI agents?
Yeah. Of course. It seems that anything they do is "justified."
I'm thinking swastika.
But I wasn't holding an assault rifle a few feet away from some honest citizen's head.
Here's the Baltimore Sun's spin on the Joe Schultz shooting.
Good questions, every one.
GET OUT NOW!
DON'T MOVE I SAID!
GET OUT! GET OUT! OUT!!
(Eagle Scout reaches for seat belt)
"Clearly a justified shooting. The four FBI SWAT team members with machine guns and bullet proof vests cannot take any chances. That seat belt could have been a hand grenade or .44 magnum. Better safe than sorry. Mistakes will be made."
ES IST VERBOTEN, STAAT SEKURITAT ZU KRITISIERON!
Because the money in the banks crosses borders.
Because the suspect might have recently crossed a border.
Because the jurisdiction here is well inside the lines by precedent (i.e. other outrages are even worse so leave us alone about this one).
I wonder if anybody bothered to check to see if his paperwork was legimitate. I have a VERY hard time believing a trained Marine infantry officer could or would panic in a situation as lame as this,and end up damn near killing a innocent person. If he WAS a Marine,I'm betting he was a REMF.
Soon after joining the team, Braga was involved with two other law enforcement officers in the fatal shooting of a murder suspect in Laurel, FBI officials have confirmed. The suspect was not holding a weapon, although investigators said a loaded firearm was nearby. The shooting was ruled justified.
Of course it was ruled to be justfied. These are the King's men we are talking about here,and they have a perfect legal right to kill any of the commoners who cross them. After all,there was sure to be a gun somewhere within 10 miles or so. It's really not fair to expect those who sit at the right hand of royalty to take chances when dealing with common trash.
Can you say "proven coward unfit to possess either a gun OR a badge."?
Gee,that's a tough one,but I'm forced to believe the Feebs have discovered some new method of subduing,searching,and handcuffing a suspect while he and she are still buckled into their safety belts inside their car. I am anxiously awaiting a videotape demonstration of that exercise. After all,the Feebs wouldn't lie to us,would they?
His name is Christopher Braga
Remember that name!
The justification for this is because the feds insure all individual depositer losses up to 100 grand,so that makes stealing money from a bank a federal offense. The reason this happened was the depression and bank robbers caused people to lose faith in banks in the 30's.
Minutes later, the informant arrived and was asked by an agent to identify the wounded man, whose face was so bloody his features were barely distinguishable. But the informant knew before he looked at the young man that he wasn't Blottenberger. He told agents, "It's not even the right car." Schultz, the informant said, was conscious and able to identify himself: "My wallet is in my back pocket."
One of the allegations made against the FBI agents is that they denied Mr. Schultz immediate medical attention from paramedics while he was lying on the ground in a pool of his own blood. By waiting for minutes after Mr. Schultz was shot for the informant to identify him we are treated to some coorboration of that story. Can anybody say conspiracy to deprive Mr. Schultz of his civil rights by denying him medical assistance? Every one of these agents should be charged with felonies and they should be defending themselves. There is at minimum probable cause that they committed several crimes and there is more than sufficient evidence from the FBI's own self serving account to start the prosecution of these agents. every additional second of delay damages the FBI and our nation more. Clearly Brosnan faces some of the responsibility for this crime. He made the initial call to go after this Trans-Am. Now we are talking five agents controling one wounded person and one sixteen year old girl and they waited more than seconds to call for paramedics. They waited for an id from the informant before they got out Mr. Schultz's id. They approached with M-4's to a car they had stopped not using standard felony stop procedure. Since they did not recover Mr. Schultz's liscense immediately and Mr. Scultz may be presumed to have been rather vocal about questioning why he was stopped we have a pattern of abuse that adds up to attempted murder. The team included Braga, Brad Sheaf, Don Kornek and Steve Stowe
More names to watch for and to check out. We know Braga killed one other person in a shooting incident. That according to this paper was ruled justified, even though the person shot was not holding a weapon at the time of the shooting. On another thread Freeper muawiyah mentioned at least another shooting involving Braga. Those prior incidents should have investigations re-opened.
In general it looks like the FBI which clearly has had enough time and ecidence to either proceed to charges or rule the shooting justified has done neither. What we have instead is reports of threats to a former FBI agent who was retained to investigate the incident. Now the FBI according to their report given an average speed of 30 mph is talking about 40 seconds before the young lady driving the Trans Am stopped. This is hardly time enough to determine that she was trying to elude them. If her speed was greater than 30 mph then the time decreases. Another damning detail from the agents.
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
Perhaps, but I've run across my share of dirtbag Marine officers - even in some ground combat units. Maybe this guy was drummed out after a brief time in the Corps.
Whatever he was, he has abandoned any pretext of being a Marine. If this were a Marine, first off, he wouldn't have put himself in a place where he would be shooting the wrong person, Secondly, he would have owned up to his mistake and resigned his position immediately, and face up to the music - whether it means life in jail, and whatever reparations to the family. This is not a Marine, because he has NO honor. This guy is hiding behind the FBI - if he had any honor and accountability at all, he would resign and get ready to be accountable for his actions.
Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
"The team included Braga, Brad Sheaf, Don Kornek and Steve Stowe, according to an investigator's report"
Yup,and we can all thank Bubba bin Bombing for starting this trend,and Bubba Bush for making it official policy by not only ignoring it,but blocking investigations and charges against people who SHOULD have been charged and convicted.
You win the prize on that one. If he was involved the FBI should never have cut a deal with him. They should have just busted them both and let them turn on one another. Imo King was most likely Blottenberger's dealer. Blottenberger was the addict. The crime the FBI was after was bank robbery, not drugs. So they turned the dealer to informant so they could bust his customer who was robbing banks. Drugs weren't the FBI's concern here. That's for the DEA.
I can't argue with any of that. Apparently,there is no requirement in the FBI now for honor,pride,or self-respect.
Most people I know still think the police or FBI can do no wrong and must be defended at all costs.
The fact that this agent has apparently shot two unarmed people must make him a fugitive from the law of averages. Also a fugitive from the ranks of decency.
That FBI agents can kill someone because they make a sudden move is rediculous. Each case should stand on its own but that should never be enough by itself.
Huh? I'm not Blottenberger my name is Schultz call me an ambulance.
Please my liscense is in my wallet...
It goes on. but why bother.
The consequences of this action will be very much unintended for all theose who are now making decisions about it.
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Maybe he wasn't seeing enough "action" in the peacetime USMC, and wanted to join an outfit with looser "rules of engagement" and a better chance of shooting "perps". I was in Navy Special Warfare, and I am very familiar with the "pray for war" mentality.
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I see Braga as the epitome of BATF STU team leaders Hummel and Jaeger. These FBI HRT and SWAT and ATF SRT guys ALL come from a military specops background. They never put in any time in investigations, they go straight from the SEALs, Rangers, USMC etc to a federal "specops team", where they pick up the same kevlar armor and weapons they used in the military. They bring to "law enforcement" the wartime military "just get results, collateral damage is expected" mentality they had in their old outfits. It's no wonder these incidents occur.
Much worse is going to happen now that that post 9-11 they are on such a hair trigger.
I feel that same rage and I share your opinions about the greminalpoliezie. Albeit my German is almost non existant. I am absolutely enraged about this incident and the total lack of an arrest of the culpable individuals. these agents are doing more harm to our national security than anyone except maybe the hijackers who flew the planes into the buildings on September 11, 2001. The FBI is supposed to be our lead domestic national security agency. The failure to prosecute these agents makes the entire FBI suspect and complicit in the attempted murder of an innocent person and that statement is based only upon what the FBI has allowed to be released. If there was anything in the 911 tape that was exculpatory it would be in the public domain already.
Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown
There is a war on, and State Security must NOT be criticized or impeded in any way. If they are not permitted to keep their fingers on their hair triggers, they may not stop the next 9-11. What is a peasant or three shot in the face compared to that?