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Homeschoolers dominate spelling bees (Some see unfair advantage)
Scripps Howard News Service ^ | March 28, 2002 | JESSICA WEHRMAN

Posted on 03/30/2002 3:56:22 AM PST by Caipirabob

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To: glory
Right now my son is not home-schooling his two daughters. Even though he has been in school, his wife has been home with our two granddaughters the whole time (age 6 and 3).
81 posted on 03/30/2002 1:27:47 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: xzins
No, no you misunderstood. The point I was making is that because you may need to utilize the institutional setting at some point is no reason to scrap homeschooling altogether. If anything, this is one of the great things about homeschooling--that you can utilize the institutional settings when and if you need them--the education still remains tailor made for the child! The "institution" is there when and if you need it, in the meantime the children get a superior foundation.

What do you mean by distance learning? I think you may have misunderstood too what I meant by homeschoolers going to community college for advanced subjects. They would actually attend a class like any other college student and with college students, not learn the subject online if that is what you are getting at?

Do you know what type of co-op I mentioned? Sure some parents band together in a MUCH MORE traditional school situation to HIRE a teacher to teach a subject, but many more actually utilize another homoschooling parent to teach a subject they are strong in, still both options give the parents complete control since they do the hiring(and firing if need be), unlike a public school situation.

They have similarities, but surely you can not begin to say that a setting made by parents in the best interest of thier kids is somehow similar to the institutional setting made by a bunch of beauracrats in thier own best interests.

thank you for conceeding though that not only have you not researched this, but that you also are biased;-) I think you would be surprised at how resourceful homeschoolers are. Some parents even learn subjects themselves to teach and a growing number of schools are opening up things like varsity sports programs and are willing to make exceptions when faced with turning away a talented player that could benefit thier team. BTW, if you think private sports are not as good as public. I'd challenge you to look at cheerleading competitions and gymnastics competitions. Many times these are dominated by local gyms and private facilities. Again, if my child shows a talent, we will deal with thatwhen the time comes. No need to put them in ps in K just in case they are a star athlete or might need to use the math lab. I have faith that our schools will change for the better by then and thier facilities will be more accessible by the time my two are in high school anyway.

82 posted on 03/30/2002 1:50:57 PM PST by glory
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To: demnomo;xzins
It's more like an a la carte educational experience without the government redtape and controls that would hinder many student's (and teacher's!) mind and body development

Yes, this is my philosophy as well. And if this is what xzins was talking about, than I agree with him. I just think that the institutions are more effective when you can pick and choose your courses than adhering to the one size fits all. I don't think many homeschoolers, save for some very hermit types, think it's wise to shelter thier children completely from community interaction and the benefits of some of the services offered by that community and it's "instituations". Heck, marriage is an institution and I would like my children to participate in that;-) I think xzins and I both may have misunderstood each other since I acknowledge I did not put together the textbook on my desk, but I am able to utilize it, imo, in a more useful way than the ps parent who can not control what is taught from it and when or even if it is used.

83 posted on 03/30/2002 1:59:11 PM PST by glory
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To: Carry_Okie
One final benefit. Every time a parents confront what they don't know, that they need to teach their kids, they get to go fix the damage done by THEIR public education. Home-schooling re-educates TWO generations of voters simultaneously and pulls families together that will resist the indoctrinal system (including the media).

A very profoundly true statement. Well said!

84 posted on 03/30/2002 2:31:19 PM PST by glory
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To: homeschool mama
I agree. I think if more of us homeschoolers knew the "good" teachers academically and philosophically, the teacher317 of the world would make a good income eventually as they were hired as tutors;-)
85 posted on 03/30/2002 2:35:16 PM PST by glory
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To: Salvation;glory;Teacher317
About 2 million students across the nation are home-schooled today, and the rate is growing by 15 percent to 20 percent a year, according to Rob Ziegler, a spokesman for the Home School Legal Defense Association in Purcellville,

At a 20% per annum growth rate, that number doubles every four years and hits the magic 5 million mark in five years. That is over 10% of the school-age population in the US. That growth rate has held steady for over a decade.

86 posted on 03/30/2002 3:28:09 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Lizavetta
Separate spelling bees - one for traditionally schooled children, and one for homeschoolers - is coming.

They'd probably have to start dumbing down the words for the government-schoolers.

87 posted on 03/30/2002 3:41:23 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Carry_Okie
Wow, I had no idea. That's great news... but... look for the NEA to get some pocketed legislators to start passing new laws really soon. The dragon never lets itself starve to death, and it won't want to change just because we mere subjects want it to serve us rather than the other way around.
88 posted on 03/30/2002 3:48:45 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
You home-schoolers are the only hope, not only for your own kids, but for those who would actually like to see the public systems wake up and start focusing on fixing what they've broken in education.

I never thought that my act of so-called 'defiance' would actually have a positive effect on anyone but my own kids. Thanks.

89 posted on 03/30/2002 3:58:27 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: xzins
I don't think most home school parents have the background in calculus, advanced science and art, nor do they have the facilities (labs) to make these things readily available to home schooled kids.

Most homeschooled kids have parents just like me. I know where I am weak and I get extra help for those subjects. For science, I have found an retired NASA scientist who loves teaching homeschooled kids. For upper level math, I am using a video program and my son is regularly scoring between 89 and 95 on his algebra tests. I can't teach violin, so I get a private teacher, who's own daughter is now studying at Julliard. For art, I have found an artist who teaches out of her home who on the side sells her artwork for upwards of $25,000 per piece.

As a homeschooler, I have many more options for my children. I can zero in on my children's interests without any interference. I don't have to wait for some school official to take note of my child. I don't have to work with ANY middlemen.

90 posted on 03/30/2002 4:44:28 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Teacher317
It's already started. The cry is for exclusive use of "credentialed" teachers. Total control.
91 posted on 03/30/2002 4:57:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Every time a parents confront what they don't know, that they need to teach their kids, they get to go fix the damage done by THEIR public education.

You got that right, sister. It cost me over $50,000 to repair the profoundly inadequate job they did with my oldest son on reading. My only other option was to put my son on the waiting list for the local elementary school remedial reading program which should really be called, 'the-we-really-mucked-up-so-we-have-this-free-patch-job-which-will-not-make-your-child-the-true-reader-he-could've-been', just so he could be another year behind in reading.

92 posted on 03/30/2002 5:14:13 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
see #66
93 posted on 03/30/2002 7:03:14 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
I don't see what the big deal is about "the institutional school". A bunch of us here on this forum have gotten burned in some way by "the institutional school". Now that I am my own boss I don't give a whit what "the institutional school" does.
94 posted on 03/30/2002 8:27:34 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Yakboy
I took my homeschooled 8 year old to the local spelling
bee in Albany NY this month. I watched the younger home
schooled sister of the national 2000 3rd place winner
win the regional. She was relaxed and skipped up
to the podium for each of her turns.

What surprised me was the easy words that knocked out
most of the contestants or how puzzled they sounded
on some of the words they got - like they had never
read the words before. If these are the best of the
local schools, then the level of spelling has dropped
from when I was the same age in the late '60s.

I don't expect my son will ever be a great speller
based on his nature but it is nice to take him to
things that show what is potential. The best thing
about home schooling my son is that it may have
something to do with him still giggling in his sleep.

95 posted on 03/31/2002 6:02:16 AM PST by rector seal
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To: Carry_Okie
At a 20% per annum growth rate, that number doubles every four years and hits the magic 5 million mark in five years. That is over 10% of the school-age population in the US. That growth rate has held steady for over a decade.

And just think of the FTE (full-time-equivalent), a part of the ratio that is used to determine the amount of federal $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that those local schools are entitled to!!

Lower FTE = Lower $$$$$$$$ amount!

96 posted on 03/31/2002 7:54:18 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation
The fastest growing segment of the home-school population managed under the aegis of public schools. It is cannibalizing the traditional privately funded home school sector. Our local religiously-based program coordinator set up 36 such programs in this County and the one adjacent. Now her program is nearly gone. Although it is in some respects her fault for having emphasized Biblical teaching at the expense of academic performance (at which she does rather badly), that alone does not explain the transition. The public schools are winning customers by offering attractive goodies. They get their FTEs and don't have to pay as many teachers or build extra classrooms. The teachers prefer working with home-schooled kids so the entire ambiance is positive. It isn't all bad, it's just that when the public schools say that they can offer the same product with the additional assurance that PC demands are met, will it be surprising to see that trap spring shut? Trap?

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, they often get to inspect the home, control of the curriculum, make sure the PC requirements are met... publicly subsidized home education is a MAJOR camel's nose. HSLDA is warning parents not to fall for this trap, but the alarm is falling on deaf ears as parents fall for the siren song of public money and use of public facilities.

It was the same bait when the public schools started.

97 posted on 03/31/2002 8:12:28 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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