Skip to comments.Probe Into Cuba's Possible *Sunken City* Advances
Posted on 03/30/2002 8:02:04 PM PST by mercy
Probe Into Cuba's Possible 'Sunken City' Advances Fri Mar 29, 6:20 PM ET By Andrew Cawthorne
HAVANA (Reuters) - Scientific investigators said on Friday they hope to better determine later this year if an unusual rock formation deep off Cuba's coast could be a sunken city from a previously unknown ancient civilization.
"These are extremely peculiar structures ... They have captured all our imagination," Cuban geologist Manuel Iturralde said at a conference after a week on a boat over the site.
"If I had to explain this geologically, I would have a hard time," he told reporters later, saying examination of rock samples due to be collected in a few months should shed further light on the formation off the Guanahacabibes Peninsula on Cuba's western tip.
Iturralde, research director of Cuba's Natural History Museum, has joined Canadian exploration company Advanced Digital Communications (ADC) in efforts to solve the mystery of the smooth, geometrically shaped, granite-like rocks. They are laid out in structures resembling pyramids, roads and other structures at more than 2,000 feet in a 7-3/4 mile-square area.
ADC has suggested they might belong to a civilization that colonized the American continent thousands of years ago, possibly sitting on an island that was sunk to great depths by cataclysmic earth movement such as an earthquake (news - web sites).
That theory, and its inevitable parallel with the myth of the lost city of Atlantis, has provoked skepticism from some scientists around the world who say the depth and age -- ADC has spoken of at least 6,000 years' old -- were not credible.
Some European archaeologists said the stones, stumbled upon in July 2000 while ADC was hunting with sonar equipment for treasure and sunken Spanish galleons, could be formed by natural limestone.
But Iturralde's conclusion that there is no immediately apparent natural explanation for the rocks has lent credence to ADC's theory.
"NEED FOR OPEN MIND"
"It appears like there is some kind of intelligent design in the structure's configuration and planning," ADC's Soviet-born Canadian ocean engineer, Paulina Zelitsky, said on the sidelines of the geophysical conference in Havana.
"I have worked in this field over 30 years and I have never before seen natural structures shaped with such intelligent symmetry and plan. From the very first moment, I was suspecting that these structures were not natural."
While Iturralde gave evidence in his paper on Friday for seismic movement at the site, and possible submerging of the land, he drew short of definitively concluding the rocks were not shaped by nature. If, however, that theory was proven, it would revolutionize understanding of the history of the Americas, he told reporters.
"It would change a lot our knowledge of humans and the evolution of the Americas," Iturralde said.
"Recently, a French archaeologist found some evidence of people being here in South America 40,000 years ago, something we never expect, so you need to be always open to things that you are not expecting, that are not in the framework of present-day knowledge ... We may have found something that nobody has thought about."
ADC plans to take a specially designed robot to the site in a few months to take samples of the rocks and the sediment they are embedded in to try to date them and seek signs they may have once been on dry land. They will also be searching for any sign of human life such as drawings, sculptures or artifacts.
"To drill samples from these structures is not easy because they look like granite. And to drill granite at a depth of 600 meters is very difficult," Zelitsky said.
She said their discoveries could make history. "I think we are talking about the origins of the American continent. There are many hypotheses about how the continent was colonized ... There is quite a controversy, and I think our discovery (news - web sites) will be the first physical evidence of the true origins of developed civilization in the Americas."
Seriously, this sounds pretty neat. They'd get things done much faster is Castro were out of the way.
He sounds just like David Brinkley and is usually pleasant with guests and callers.
It's the closest thing we have today to the old Twilight Zone series.
Maybe. Or maybe not. This might be the kind of discovery Cubans would be very interested in.
They seem to be finding towns and cities in all the wrong places these days, at least from the perspective of evolutionists, and uniformitarian geologists. There's the city 2100' beneath the waves off Cuba, the magnetic anomaly 2 miles beneath the Antarctic ice at Lake Vostok and, despite anything you may think you know or have heard, the remains of at least one city on Mars.
Images returned from the global surveilance device in orbit around Mars the last several years have included an image of the main pyramid in the ring of pyramids to the left of the face which should have immediately ended all controversy over the question of artificiality:
To me at least, the pyramid is four sided and the four triangular sides are clear enough, and I've marked them with green lines. The other part of the image amounts to some sort of an enclosed corridor or causeway leading out from one corner of the pyramid, and then two nearly rectangular features at the end of that causeway, which may be doors or some sort of adjunct buildings. There also seems to be a line going from the Eastern corner of the pyramid to the two rectangular objects, which I've marked with a blue line, but I suspect that's just an edge of sand being blown up into a sort of an apron abutting the pyramid, and that the hollow between the pyramid and the corridor would naturally trap sand.
Nonetheless, there was little or no mention whatsoever in the press of this new pyramid image, and this was largely because press coverage centered around the new image of the face which NASA released:
This image was said to prove the entire controversy regarding Cydonia to be a bunch of buncombe, and to prove that the structures at Cydonia all to be natural geological formations.
More recently, Dr. Tom Van Flandern, a former director of celestial mechanics at the Naval Abservatory, and others have noted that the image which NASA and JPL released, aside from being a worst possible case in terms of viewing angle and lighting, had actually been "cleaned up" or something like that via the use of a high-pass filter which is a standard image processing device for removing detail. Van Flandern notes that the basic help function for Adobe's Photo Shop product notes:
High Pass Filter: Retains edge details where sharp color transitions occur and suppresses the rest of the image. The filter removes low-frequency detail in an image. Useful for extracting line-art and large black-and-white areas from scanned images.
Van Flandern notes that, as to JPL's motives in using such a filter device on this particular image and then handing it to the public, "we are left with an unhappy choice between dishonesty and incompetence."
When we consider that the raw image looks like:
and that the same image with minimal computer enhancement, which does not add any information looks like:
All of that is bad enough, i.e. it might convince people that NASA and JPL told a big, stupid lie to the American people and to the world. But it's getting worse; consider the new and more direct overhead image of the face which NASA released during May of 2001.
Several things are clear. First and most obvious is that anybody still trying to claim that this thing is a mesa or any other kind of natural formation is dillusional. I notice several things, which I have indicated in the marked-up image below
First is that there is only one possible way to build such a thing, i.e. to pile up stones into the rough shape you need, large stones on the bottom and then progressively smaller ones, and then put some sort of a hard facing over the entire thing. You can see how this has been done in the image. On the left side from which wind and sand come, the facing is almost entirely eroded and, even where the underlying stone shows, everything has been worn smooth. On the right side, we can see that part of the facing remains, much of it having fallen off to the side in heaps. We can see the cutout in the facing for the left eye which I have noted, and we can see where the facing fell and broke away from the nose, which is what you would expect. We can also see the rough stones of the nose area, which have not all been worn smooth.
Second is that the megalith is heavily damaged, and has suffered more than one kind of damage. My guess is that the entire rock plate on which the megalith sits was picked up and slammed down, and that the megalith was deformed in the process. You can see the places where the hard casement has been pulled apart on the right side. The megalith has been compressed along the axis from lower left to upper right which I have marked with the blue line, and stretched along the other axis from lower right to upper left. The angle A between the line of the headdress on the left side and the line along the top is thus less than the original 90 degrees. The line through the center of the face has been deformed from the original straight line to the curved line which I have drawn. The basic shape of the mouth is still there, albeit moved to the left as I have noted. You can see where the outer casing has broken away from part of the outline of the mouth on the right.
You can see the ridge along the eyebrows as I have noted, you can see the indentation for the right eye and the outline of the left eye cut into the facing and still in reasonably good shape. You can see the rise for the nose as well as the area where the casing broke away from the nose on the right, and part of the remains of nostrils, and you can see the basic lines of the mouth.
Unless of course you're STUPID like the feebs at NASA who're still working triple shifts trying to convince the world this thing is a mesa. In that kind of case, no amount of technology will help. There has never been a cure for stupidity, and there will never be one.
A short while ago, Dr. Van Flandern and other associates gave a presentation at the National Press Club which may be viewed at Metaresearch.
Information has been coming in for two or three years now from the device presently over Mars. Massive evidence of Mars having been inhabited fairly recently has been accumulating. As Metaresearch and other www sites dealing with the subject note, this includes evidence of settlements:
Click on image for full NASA image. Note the terracing, and the rows of structures which are heavily weathered to the upper right of the image but which retain their rectangular corners on the lower left (leeward) side.
Other human faces have been found carved in the surface, e.g.:
What then drives the basic instinct of NASA and JPL to bury this story? One possible motive which has been suggested involves the division of funding between manned and unmanned space missions at NASA and JPL. But, more realistically, the major problem which the Cydonia findings presents to the people in these agencies is one of basic scientific paradigms. Nobody could build all of this stuff on this kind of a megalithic scale with space-suits on; the planet has to be habitable for Cydonia to get built. This is a huge problem, in that it would require a totally different basic theory of the history of our solar system from the one which the scientists have. There is simply no way, given the standard paradigm, in which Mars could have ever been habitable. It would always have been too cold, and it would never have had the gravity necessary to hold a livable atmosphere, assuming that gravity is the only thing which ever holds atmosphere to planets.
The standard scientific axiomatic scheme including the basic doctrine of uniformitarianism, evolution etc. etc. does not allow for solar-system-wide catastrophes within the age of man, nonetheless, that is precisely what we have here. Those newer face images are definitely modern people and not early hominids. Nothing involving modern people here, on Mars, or anywhere else figures to be millions of years gone by, and nothing capable of destroying the planet next to us and making a dead world of it would have gone unnoticed by our ancestors.
What we have here is another case of junk science, i.e. the theory of evolution and the doctrine of uniformity, destroying research and logical thinking amongst scientists. The science pages of our journals are filled by descriptions of NASA projects to search for microbes on Mars while studiously ignoring major evidence that they have found a city there, as if germs were important, and cities were not.
Interesting. Some years ago, Jacques Cousteau (sp?) found a cave in the Carribean Sea floor down about 200 ft. In it were stalagtites! One had broken off and was lying on the floor, so he took it on board the Calypso. Now, stalagtites do not form underwater, If mineral-laden water is keeping them wet, their radius will grow at about two thousandths of an inch per year. Using this, the age of Cousteau's stalagtite was about 30,000 years!
So whatever the elevation of that cave, it had been above sea level for at least 30,00 years. What they found off of Cuba's coast could very well be an ancient city that, too, was above sea level at one time.
I used to. I've been d/l old time radio, and listening to that when falling asleep.
Bell's been irritating lately (to me), for some reason. That is, when he decides to "show up".
That Linda Moulton-Howe (or whatever), Bell's "reporter" on this story has a lousy interview style. (Must have been a lawyer).
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Possibly. Funding for archaeological expeditions is severely limited. If, however, they can pull up a piece of suspicious rock, or get some decent images, a patron might step forth. It's just a matter of getting someone with the proper interest and wealth to take a look at the evidence. A university would be easiest because of the intense competition for appropriate doctoral thesis subjects. Results bring funding, but Cuba wouldn't have much funding available.
How about the feebs who're still trying to convince the world this thing is not a mesa?
It hearkens back to the days of primitive humans seeing the gods in rock formations, clouds, the moon, etc.... Then there are modern primitive humans who see Jesus in sweat stains, Mary in the glare of a building, and Elvis in a jelly donut.
In regards to whoever wrote the bulk of your post, the evidence that the human mind looks for (and finds!!) recognizable patterns in naturally occurring phenomena is so strong and so well documented that to declare those who express skepticism (of whatever degree) about life (past or present) on Mars as "Feebs" seem highly arrogant at best.
But I really wanted to post a link to a very interesting site at MIT concerning Maritime Archeology.
15,000 years and before that, so much of earth's water was locked up in ice that the sea level was 400 feet or more BELOW present day's sea level. The ruins of cities have already been found off of both coasts of India at depths that would have been dry land 20,000 years ago, stone pyrmids just off the coast Japan (Okinawa) and I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't cities out in the bottom of the Caribean or out in the mid Atalantic.
I thought you were serious until you got to the part about the terraces.
The human brain is great at discerning patterns where none exist.
If there *are* remains from an intelligent civilization on Mars, and if NASA know this, then why aren't they hyping it and using this golden opportunity to raise money for a manned Mars mission?
Why? Because there are no ruins to be explored, simply average photos of boring rock formations in which some misguided individuals see "ruins."
Real science is so much more interesting than these hoaxes, anyway! We may yet find evidence of past life on Mars, but it'll be at the microscopic level.
Where does one read about that?
I just did.
In fact, maybe *I'm* not a feeb, but in fact a disruptor planted by the alien consortium! Maybe I'm trying to throw you off because you're *too close* to the truth! We can't let those NASA guys find our underground fusion-powered cities on Mars!
What about the outflow channel, or do you think that the Martians created that manually to fool Earthling scientist observers?