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Course On African-American Men Offered At Temple
KYW 1060 ^ | Sunday, March 31, 2002 | Karin Phillips

Posted on 03/31/2002 6:17:54 AM PST by South Hawthorne

Course On African-American Men Offered At Temple

by KYW's Karin Phillips

For the first time, Temple University is offering a special course that examines the Black man in America.

Instructor Ed Coleman says his course, The Black Man, is designed to look beyond all of the grim statistics and media stereotypes and get students to critically examine the roots and characteristics of the modern African American man.

According to Coleman, the black man's baggage has its roots in slavery, when the role of manhood was subverted from provider to survivor and sexual tool. "Where African American men or African men had been forced to be breeders and studs and that became the prevalent notion of what it meant to be a man where the emphasis was placed on the individual rather than the family or the community."

The class, which is in Temple's African American studies department, covers education, spirituality, health and criminal justice issues and relationships.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: discrimination; illusion; vicimhood
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I’d just heard this on the radio. Professor Coleman was interviews and said that part of the class was to keep a daily journal on issues related to the black man in America.

To paraphrase he said that when you see 3 black men on the corner, “approach it from the viewpoint” that they do so because they’ve been denied the chance to do anything else in society and that this is actually a from of abuse.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

1 posted on 03/31/2002 6:17:54 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: Temple Owl
Hey T.O.! I'm breaking off a check to the African American Studies program right now, I challenge you to match my $1,000! LOL

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

2 posted on 03/31/2002 6:21:18 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: Owl_Eagle
Why doesn't Temple offer a course of just being a MAN?

It can emphasize things like responsibility, literacy, holding a job, being decent...and de-emphasize Jesse Jacksonian thoughts such as, "I am born - therefore I am owed".

Full Disclosure: At this time, I'm on the final legs of a 6 week glue-sniffing binge, so my thoughts my seem a little "out of touch".

Nevermind...

4 posted on 03/31/2002 6:32:14 AM PST by tbg681
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To: Owl_Eagle
So if all black mens failings in America can be blamed on slavery, why is it that blacks in Africa that never had enslaved ancestors do even worse?

Sounds like junk social-science, but considering its another left wing whacko African-American studies course, you can't really be suprised.

5 posted on 03/31/2002 6:33:29 AM PST by Godel
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To: Owl_Eagle
Gosh, I'll bet this class is a great place to meet dumb white chicks.

6 posted on 03/31/2002 6:35:42 AM PST by Fintan
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To: CTYankeeMike
"Where African American men or African men had been forced to be breeders" Are they talking about men like Wilt Chamberlain, Majic Johnson and Jesse "Rabbit" Jackson?
7 posted on 03/31/2002 6:37:38 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Professor" Coleman is full of cr^p. Until the Great Society, marriage rates and 2-parent households among blacks were as high as whites. Following the Civil War, former slaves sought to re-unite families for decades. Sounds like pure blame "whitey" BS.
8 posted on 03/31/2002 6:39:07 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Owl_Eagle
This course is truly is laughable!

African-American men should study manhood in Africa; African-African men still are enslaving other African-African men, women and children as slavery has always been a function of life in Africa.

Also, African-American "freedmen" (blacks who for various reasons were set free by their owners) were slave owners of other African-Americans prior to emancipation in 1865.

The impact of Blacks owning other Blacks ( which African-Americans don't comprehend) will hopefully be included and be an important part of the good professors course!!!


9 posted on 03/31/2002 6:42:26 AM PST by rmvh
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To: Owl_Eagle
Filed under, you can't make it up fast enough.
10 posted on 03/31/2002 7:01:14 AM PST by Valin
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To: CTYankeeMike
"Where African American men or African men had been forced to be breeders and studs..." Sounds like some Black man's fantasy.

-- LOL! True!!

I wonder what a realistic course along these lines would include. Malt liquor? Violent crime? Bad music? Abysmal English? Walking like a chicken? It seems like a right-thinking student could have a lot of fun in a course like this.

-- That is if he doesn't mind if he fails the class.

11 posted on 03/31/2002 7:21:50 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: CTYankeeMike
Malt liquor? Violent crime? Bad music? Abysmal English? Walking like a chicken?

ROFLMAO!!!

Thanks,

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

12 posted on 03/31/2002 7:27:06 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: CTYankeeMike
Malt liquor? Violent crime? Bad music? Abysmal English? Walking like a chicken?

Ignorant comments like this only underscore the need for such a course.

13 posted on 03/31/2002 7:34:31 AM PST by mafree
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To: CTYankeeMike
I wonder what a realistic course along these lines would include. Malt liquor? Violent crime? Bad music? Abysmal English? Walking like a chicken? It seems like a right-thinking student could have a lot of fun in a course like this.

I thought only us Southerners were supose to have racist sterio types like that. There may be hope for you yankees after all.

14 posted on 03/31/2002 7:37:57 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Fintan
What are you saying about dumb white chicks?
15 posted on 03/31/2002 7:38:43 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: mafree
Minus yours..most of this thread contains the most crude and vile comments....disgusting view on Easter Sunday.
16 posted on 03/31/2002 7:40:32 AM PST by Neets
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I'm sure he's not implying that anyone as lovely and as intelligent as you would ever be found is such a class.
17 posted on 03/31/2002 7:41:14 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: OneidaM
Minus yours..most of this thread contains the most crude and vile comments....disgusting view on Easter Sunday.

Thanks- I just couldn't let that one get by. It's one of the impediments to decent race relations.

18 posted on 03/31/2002 7:45:28 AM PST by mafree
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
What are you saying about dumb white chicks?


  (SIGH)...

I was just being my usual cynical, sarcastic and curmudgeonly self...

And a Blessed Easter to you too.

19 posted on 03/31/2002 7:53:23 AM PST by Fintan
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To: Fintan
"Gosh, I'll bet this class is a great place to meet dumb white chicks."

Honest to God, about a week ago a thirteen year old white girl at school came over to the van, which I was driving to pick up our boys from the home, and looked over the boys. She told them that she went only with black dudes.

This is the same girl that wrote a letter to a Sudanese boy at the home, calling him sexy man and telling him that she wanted him to do a threesome with her and her Native American friend.

But many young white girls are looking for black dudes now. I see it all the time here.

20 posted on 03/31/2002 7:54:56 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: mafree
"Ignorant comments like this only underscore the need for such a course."

There is no way that you can deny that the poster was right.

21 posted on 03/31/2002 7:56:28 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: mafree
"It's one of the impediments to decent race relations."

There is much more than that.

22 posted on 03/31/2002 7:57:38 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Does that child have a father?
24 posted on 03/31/2002 8:00:03 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Owl_Eagle
According to Coleman, the black man's baggage has its roots in slavery, when the role of manhood was subverted from provider to survivor and sexual tool. "Where African American men or African men had been forced to be breeders and studs

Wait a minute. Isn't this what Jimmy the Greek said? He said it helped to explain the apparent superiority of black athletes--because the slave owners selected the strongest slaves to be breeders.

But Jimmy was fired for saying this. I wonder if Coleman will be fired?

25 posted on 03/31/2002 8:00:13 AM PST by 07055
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To: Don Myers
Did YOU get out of your van and give her some fatherly advice about the kind of life she is going to have if she continues in her current mode? I could NOT have resisted - course, mine would have been motherly advice......poor girl.
26 posted on 03/31/2002 8:09:27 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: OneidaM
"Well the who the hell do we blame that on Don??? "

Personally, I believe that our society has gone completely mad. Where do we place the blame? Well, we have done a lot of talking about those things before.

27 posted on 03/31/2002 8:24:32 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
I really don't know about her parents. I do know that the parents are oftentimes part or the main problem.
28 posted on 03/31/2002 8:25:17 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Ok, I've calmed down some...Just not in the mood for this rhetoric this morning...and yes..the degregation of society is responsible...ALL OF IT..
29 posted on 03/31/2002 8:26:17 AM PST by Neets
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To: goodnesswins
Give a thirteen year old moron advice? I suspect that it is too late for this girl anyway.
30 posted on 03/31/2002 8:26:17 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
But many young white girls are looking for black dudes now. I see it all the time here.

The sort of behavior is permoted in the schools and all the media now. Just sit down a watch a few programs aimed at teen and pre-teen girls. (I have a 14year old daughter and an 11 year old daughter so I get to watch them all the time.)

31 posted on 03/31/2002 8:33:58 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Don Myers
Give a thirteen year old moron advice? I suspect that it is too late for this girl anyway.

Seee??????????? You went and did it again!!!!!! I think your profession has hardened you just a tad...I hope you aren't a dad.

32 posted on 03/31/2002 8:37:33 AM PST by Neets
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To: Owl_Eagle
Back in the Civil Rights era the rallying cry was "I am a Man." A man, not a freak, not a half witted child and not something to be studied like an exotic animal. I guess the folks at Temple have forgotten this.
33 posted on 03/31/2002 8:47:31 AM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: OneidaM
It is really hard to convince teenage girls that this type of behavior is self destructive, we they see Carman Electra going out with Dennis Rodman on the covers of teen magazines. Then they see a Madonna vidio with black guys all around. Then they go to school and learn that the only people who accomplished anything throughout history were black. <
34 posted on 03/31/2002 8:49:43 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
Which behavior? Sexual activity or sexual activity with black men? Why is the latter some particular crime?
35 posted on 03/31/2002 8:52:39 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: garbanzo
Not a crime, just a behavior I would like to discourage in my own children. I would like my grandchildren to look something like me. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
36 posted on 03/31/2002 8:56:37 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
So it is then. So you won't accept your grandkids if they're not "pure" white?
37 posted on 03/31/2002 8:58:23 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: Owl_Eagle
Our wonderfully boring universities discuss categories of people as a rancher would discuss categories of cattle. And they call that uplifting.
38 posted on 03/31/2002 8:58:53 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: CTYankeeMike
I wonder what a realistic course along these lines would include. Malt liquor? Violent crime? Bad music? Abysmal English? Walking like a chicken?

Got any more stereotypes?

39 posted on 03/31/2002 8:59:45 AM PST by rdb3
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
First of all CC..let's characterize this as sexual promiscuity at a young age...not divide it by the races...and yes, I understand completely, as I have a 15 y/o daughter..and no matter how hard you try to shield them from the crap that they shouldn't be exposed to, it is IMPOSSIBLE. It has permeated the schools, TV, Radio, and magazines...Grown men oggling them is taken as the highest complement..I have actually gotten in the faces of some of these men at malls when they start drooling like that. And have also jacked up a few young punks when they look at my daughter and stick their tongue out at her in a suggestive manner or grab their crotch. I don't care that I am 4'11", I'll go up against the biggest and meanest of them. But through it all of course,,,she is embarassed at MY behavior...

You'd think the Feminazis at NOW would be more concerned about Societies Sluttification of young girls than their Lesbian issues.

40 posted on 03/31/2002 9:00:26 AM PST by Neets
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To: garbanzo
I didn't say that. I would rather they were though. I don't particularly care for the way the media encourages interracial dating. I have no doubt that there are many black parents who fell the same way.
41 posted on 03/31/2002 9:01:42 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: thathamiltonwoman
I guess the folks at Temple have forgotten this.

Not just Temple, Marxist/Leftists are the rule far more than the exception. Colleges love to advance the “all minorities are victims of the evil, selfish white, and usually the white man.” In fact, I’d be hard pressed to think of a University that doesn’t have an African American Studies program which advances exactly this type of garbage under the auspices of academia.

When I think about the values that Martin Luther King extolled, which, boiled down was a color blind society and I see where the “civil rights leaders” of today have led society, and the black community in particular, he must be spinning in his grave.

Classes like this just further exacerbate “racial relations” by trying to exaggerate differences and shift blame from those responsible (the individual) to a loosely defined group (society or whitey).

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

42 posted on 03/31/2002 9:05:30 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: OneidaM
My sister does a lot of couceling of young girls outside of abotion clinics. What she tells me is that a very high percentage of the girls going in are the children of wealthy white liberals who have been made pregnant by black men.
43 posted on 03/31/2002 9:07:03 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
I don't particularly care for the way the media encourages interracial dating. I have no doubt that there are many black parents who fell the same way.

Who cares - I think it's stupid to be concerned about trivialities like race when it comes to dating.

44 posted on 03/31/2002 9:21:22 AM PST by garbanzo
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To: garbanzo
Who cares - I think it's stupid to be concerned about trivialities like race when it comes to dating.

Glad your not my daughter.

45 posted on 03/31/2002 9:22:45 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Where African American men or African men had been forced to be breeders and studs and that became the prevalent notion of what it meant to be a man where the emphasis was placed on the individual rather than the family or the community."

The idiot professor can't even get that right. "Breeding" was looked down upon by slave owners. That's why their children were sold. Slaves were encouraged *not* to "breed."

And the emphasis on "individualism" when you're a... slave? Haha! This man is a genius!

46 posted on 03/31/2002 9:53:39 AM PST by Reactionary
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To: Don Myers
"Ignorant comments like this only underscore the need for such a course."

There is no way that you can deny that the poster was right.

You can only say that if you're as ignorant as the poster is.

47 posted on 03/31/2002 10:18:00 AM PST by mafree
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To: goodnesswins
Did YOU get out of your van and give her some fatherly advice about the kind of life she is going to have if she continues in her current mode?

What kind of life is that? I think it depends on what kind of "black dude" she likes to go with, or do you only know about one kind?

(That being said, 13 is too young to be going out with any "dude." I'd be more concerned about that than who she's going out with)

48 posted on 03/31/2002 10:22:09 AM PST by mafree
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To: one_particular_harbour
Ping
49 posted on 03/31/2002 10:23:44 AM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Fintan
I was just being my usual cynical, sarcastic and curmudgeonly self...

I resent that. And I did get my undergraduate degree at Temple University.

50 posted on 03/31/2002 11:36:23 AM PST by curmudgeonII
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