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Vatican says Israel "humiliating" Palestinians
Reuters ^ | 03 Apr 2002 | Staff

Posted on 04/03/2002 5:48:16 AM PST by KirkandBurke

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To: krodriguesdc
The Pope has affinity for all people...

he is a man of peace...

He has a very strange way of showing it.

Why doesn't he call on the man whose hand he was holding when he went to the Holy Land (that would be Arafat) to stop the bombing. There would be no "humiliation" of the Palestinians without the terrorism.

And where has the Pope been for the last week, while Israelis were being blown up during their holy season? Not a peep out of him.

41 posted on 04/03/2002 6:40:27 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: scratchgolfer
History repeats itself.

Indeed. I seem to remember Vatican indifference to the plight of the Jews during WWII.

42 posted on 04/03/2002 6:42:04 AM PST by yikes
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To: MoJo2001
Well I'm glad we have "value" to you. People choose to worship Christ in a variety of ways. Simple deal. I never criticize a persons' religious beliefs.

Not even Richard Gere's persistent humming (I respect that but still find humor in it.)

Now when a religious belief infringes on another persons' right to live and or others' pursuit of happines (ala the Jihadists and currently many imans in Islam)...then I have a problem with that belief.

43 posted on 04/03/2002 6:42:05 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Well as a Catholic, the Vatican position doesn't influence me one bit. THEY ARE WRONG AND ARE POOR DIPLOMATS. I have no interest in their opinion on social policy or politics, especially international relations.

This Catholic concurs. If the Church attended to the matters which most concern it, there would be no pedophile priest scandal, vocations would increase and so would attendance.

It would've been better for JPII to issue a statement saying that the Church abhors *all* violence between the Israelis and Palestinians. I don't lightly criticize the Pope, but this is just such a wrongheaded position for him to take. I would've thought that events such as the Passover seder bombing would've driven home the gravity of the situation.

I suppose we'll have to wait until the Muslims begin specifically attacking Christian targets on a "9/11" scale for the Church to admit what the worldwide problem really is. Does the Vatican have an anti-aircraft defense system? Or are the Swiss guards just for show?

44 posted on 04/03/2002 6:42:53 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: ltlflwr
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said the Holy See's position expressed in the meetings includes an "unequivocal condemnation of terrorism, from whichever side it comes,"

This is squirrely.

"from whichever side it comes"? The terrorism comes from one side, and one side only, and Navarro-Valls knows that. And the Pope does too.

45 posted on 04/03/2002 6:43:33 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: krodriguesdc
it seems that we have a lot of anti-christians on this site...

If being an Anti-Christian means criticizing people who turn a blind eye to terrorists who blow up children, then yep I guess I'm an Anti-Christian.

46 posted on 04/03/2002 6:48:56 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: yikes
Indeed. I seem to remember Vatican indifference to the plight of the Jews during WWII.

Yes, the jews must of been humiliating the Nazis.

47 posted on 04/03/2002 6:49:09 AM PST by bjs1779
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To: sinkspur
"from whichever side it comes"? The terrorism comes from one side, and one side only, and Navarro-Valls knows that. And the Pope does too.

This is what happens when a religious entity involves itself into high stakes international politics. Religion has a bias of wanting peace, and it links to closely to "peace at all costs", which leads to "relativistic" analysis,,,,,,so on and son. I mostly ignore it, but when it's a high visibility issue like this I feel compelled to criticize the Catholic Church and point it back to the internal problems which are tearing the Church apart right now.

48 posted on 04/03/2002 6:49:14 AM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: yikes
Then you're delusional. See a doctor.
49 posted on 04/03/2002 6:50:23 AM PST by Romulus
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To: KirkandBurke
What is worse: being humiliated or having your head blown off while sipping on a latte?
50 posted on 04/03/2002 6:50:45 AM PST by big bad easter bunny
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To: sinkspur
This is squirrely.

Perhaps, but give Our Holy Father some slack. He's 82. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and continue to pray for him. His days truly are numbered.

51 posted on 04/03/2002 6:52:28 AM PST by ltlflwr
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To: KirkandBurke
The Vatican sharply criticised Israel on Wednesday for imposing "unjust conditions and humiliations" on the Palestinians and also denounced acts of terrorism targeting the Jewish state.

Further evidence to me that the Catholic Church is drifting farther and farther to the left.

52 posted on 04/03/2002 6:52:38 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: KirkandBurke
The Palestinians have a state, its called Jordan and it should be required to take them in.

As far as the Vatican referring to "humiliating", it should clean up its own backyard. Humiliation is what the millions of decent Catholics and the majority of decent priests have been subject to as a result of the failure of the higher ranks of the Catholic Clergy, including this Pope, to expunge perverts from their midst.

53 posted on 04/03/2002 6:54:06 AM PST by ZULU
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To: KirkandBurke
Muslim murderers, hide in a Christian Holy sight to see if they can create a rift between Israeli's and Christians over the destruction of a Chistian monument. Remember what the muslim's did to the Christian church in Kosovo, when they got control?

having stated that, I don't understand the Vatican's statement. Perhaps, the news writers are just slanting the vatican statement to try and create a rift between Christians and Jews, too. It isn't going to happen. True Christians will never denounce God's chosen people, because, "...the Bible tells me so!"
54 posted on 04/03/2002 6:54:12 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Romulus
What do you think of these statements by the RCC? Do you think they are correct? keeper
55 posted on 04/03/2002 6:54:54 AM PST by keeper53
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To: Risky Schemer
Nations have ambassadors to the Pope?

Not to the Pope -- those would be personal representatives -- but to the Holy See: the Vatican City State, which is a sovereign country. Apart from a 59-year period when the Popes were the prisoners of the Vatican, the bishops of Rome have been sovereign rulers with secular responsibilities since the sixth century. They inherited this role by default, when secular rulers made plain their inability and unwillingness to take responsibility for law and order in Rome and the Papal States.

56 posted on 04/03/2002 6:55:37 AM PST by Romulus
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To: rbmillerjr
Some people have the RIGHT TO WORSHIP. Others are tortured or murdered because they don't worship in the same manner. I'm proud to be an American and proud of our freedoms. However, the Vatican's importance or statements are what they are to me....IRRELEVANT! They are equally as annoying as some of the statements made by Jerry Falwell.

Oh great!! The Egyptians have begun to cut ties!! I'm crying a river over that one! (Cut ties with Israel..not us..BUMMER)

57 posted on 04/03/2002 6:56:51 AM PST by MoJo2001
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To: big bad easter bunny
If you're gonna blow my head off, that's one thing. But don't you dare interupt me while I'm having my Latte!! ;^)

On a more serious note, the indiscriminate killing of civilians, by suicide bombers atrocious. How could anyone consider that legitimate?

58 posted on 04/03/2002 6:56:58 AM PST by KirkandBurke
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To: ltlflwr
Perhaps, but give Our Holy Father some slack. He's 82.

No, I won't. As a world leader, his opinion is important, even if wrong or ill-considered.

He'd do better just keeping his mouth shut or figuring out a way to address the pederast problem.

59 posted on 04/03/2002 7:00:39 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: wheezer
What are the "goals" of Israel, except to survive as a nation?
60 posted on 04/03/2002 7:01:05 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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