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No Justice For Fathers: Where Every Day Is Mother's Day
The Courier Times ^ | April 7, 2002 | Anthony Mariani

Posted on 04/07/2002 1:42:11 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots

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To: Tickle Me Pank
Yes, I see that you are a former family court judge. What in the article is whining, in your opinion? From my ongoing perspective, the author is dead on. Could you provide examples of fairness to fathers from your perspective?
21 posted on 04/07/2002 2:16:35 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: WesternPacific
In my experience, "Family Court Judges" are usually there for screwing up real criminal cases big-time. A fellow here in AZ set a confessed killer free for the heck of it, so they whipped him into Family Court where he couldn't do as much harm.
22 posted on 04/07/2002 2:16:52 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Cyber Liberty
None.
23 posted on 04/07/2002 2:17:28 PM PDT by Tickle Me Pank
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To: Cyber Liberty
In Texas, candidates run for specific State District courts that are designated Family (or Domestic) courts. Adherence to the Family Code is generally consistent, especially in the larger cities, where at least the Associate Judges are board certified. Certification isn't as popular among the elected judges. In Houston, for instance, the only apparent requirement is that you be Republican & female. I think that maybe 1 of the 9 elected judges there is board certified, many had no previous family law experience.
24 posted on 04/07/2002 2:23:34 PM PDT by Tickle Me Pank
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To: The Giant Apricots
A family court is as big a joke as any other court.Some judges render a decision based on the liberal agenda and some are just lusting after the women.In any court like this,one "blackrobed thief" is the same as any other!
25 posted on 04/07/2002 2:25:13 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: WesternPacific
Was on the bench for 7 years. I'd estimate that the fathers got custody in 65% of the cases in my court. Of course, only about 5-8% of the fathers requested custody....
26 posted on 04/07/2002 2:27:27 PM PDT by Tickle Me Pank
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To: WesternPacific
So 65% of the 5-8% got custody of their children.
27 posted on 04/07/2002 2:28:24 PM PDT by Tickle Me Pank
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To: Tickle Me Pank
In my experience, it's rare for males to petition for custody of their kids from the outset.

The husband is usually asked to leave the family home. No reason to disrupt the kids lives too. It is only after the husband becomes aware of the failing job that the mother is doing that the father will attempt to make dramatic changes. Dads are willing to let the moms live their fairytale as long as the kids are doing well.

28 posted on 04/07/2002 2:28:57 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Tickle Me Pank
Call me an exception, then. If you don't mind, I'll FReepmail you with more details this evening- I'd appreciate your opinion.
29 posted on 04/07/2002 2:34:02 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: The Giant Apricots
I've seen it first hand. A relative by marriage, shall we say, never married to the father of her son, decided to leave him. Five moves later, decided she was going to give up custody to the father because he could provide better.

Just before signing the papers, had an attack of the "guilts" and decided to fight for custody. Father had stable residence, stable job situation, his mother to watch the kid while he worked. She was living with her brother and his family, unregistered car, no insurance, bill collectors calling, needed to put kid in daycare while she tried to hold down a job, not to mention her track record of abusive men after she left her son's father.

Guess who won custody? That poor kid is so screwed up.

30 posted on 04/07/2002 2:34:53 PM PDT by reformed_dem
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To: JEC
to Tickle me Pank:And your probably one of those mothers that goes into court and lies. I've seen it too many times.

Bet you weren't there to see how fair I was about everything, just like the ex who didn't bother to show up at the hearing. And still I was fair, 50-50 all the way down the line. I bet you weren't there to see how my ex-husband didn't send the child support, didn't pay for half the insurance let alone have the cost of Dr.'s bill and meds. How my ex-husband was willing to drag down my credit rating because he didn't feel like paying for the entertainment electronics we bought together but he has custody of.

Oh dear, I could go on and on. My ex paid a whoping $50 a week (that I never raised in 13 years), that barely paid my child care expenses. What am I saying? He didn't pay any of it, he didn't pay anything for almost three years, no ins., no med., no clothing, no extra activities. When I was finally able to get the state to help, the bastard took out his anger about having to pay for the up keep of his child on his child. Sweet huh?

So please gentlemen quit yer bitchin' and realize there are just as many women who are in the no justice boat.

31 posted on 04/07/2002 2:42:40 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty;Harrison Bergeron;Iron Jack;Don Myers;Don Joe;illbay;xm177e2;paul atreides
<>i>So please gentlemen quit yer bitchin' and realize there are just as many women who are in the no justice boat.

So, why the interest in shutting down the conversation? If you feel that there are multiple areas of the family court system, and indeed, family court law, in need of reform, why not offer an action plan which comprehensively addresses the multiple areas at hand? A plan/prescription which others can then debate.

The point of FreeRepublic is to open conversations up, not to shut them down.

So???

32 posted on 04/07/2002 3:07:07 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: BigWaveBetty
So please gentlemen quit yer bitchin' and realize there are just as many women who are in the no justice boat.

In Contra Costa County, California, every new child support order is given to the DA for enforcement. The first thing that they do is attach wages and file judgments. This happens even if the father is current or ahead on his support payments. The judgments are reported by credit agencies and the "points" are affected when the credit is reviewed. Escrows are delayed and interest rates affected because of the errors made by DA personel when contacted by title companies concerning the judgments. The father's employeer is forced to maintain a seperate account for the payment of the child support. The notation is made in the father's personel file. His job advancement is impeded because of the perception of some who will believe that he must have tried to avoid supprting his children or they would not have garnished his wages. Employeers simply don't believe that the county would do that for no reason.

33 posted on 04/07/2002 3:11:22 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Thats very true IMHO
34 posted on 04/07/2002 3:12:08 PM PDT by winodog
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To: RGSpincich
Employeers = Employers. Tada!
35 posted on 04/07/2002 3:15:22 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
Typos are inevitable. Check out the "<>i>" in #32.
36 posted on 04/07/2002 3:21:21 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: BigWaveBetty
We are "bitching" because it is a proven fact women initiate the divorce more often then men,are more likely to already have a boyfriend in the wings to move into the house and then screw with the kids so they will not want to go over to dads house.

Some dads are devestated dads not deadbeats. They love their wife and children, are emotianally destroyed, then screwed over in courts. I know many who work construction because I am a contractor and I have to take the money out and write the chech to the DA.

The courts dont care that it was too windy or raining or the job was delayed or he only worked 28 hours instead of 40. Some men try really hard to pay the support and cannot afford to do anything with their kids when they are lucky enough to see them every other week. They sometimes have to live a weekly place and the kids go to a strange place where they have no friends.

The system is screwed up. Whoever asks for the divorce (unless it is for abuse or something simalier should not get custody especially if they have to depend on X amount of dollars from the husband to survive.

37 posted on 04/07/2002 3:25:41 PM PDT by winodog
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To: BigWaveBetty
We are "bitching" because it is a proven fact women initiate the divorce more often then men,are more likely to already have a boyfriend in the wings to move into the house and then screw with the kids so they will not want to go over to dads house.

Some dads are devestated dads not deadbeats. They love their wife and children, are emotianally destroyed, then screwed over in courts. I know many who work construction because I am a contractor and I have to take the money out and write the chech to the DA.

The courts dont care that it was too windy or raining or the job was delayed or he only worked 28 hours instead of 40. Some men try really hard to pay the support and cannot afford to do anything with their kids when they are lucky enough to see them every other week. They sometimes have to live a weekly place and the kids go to a strange place where they have no friends.

The system is screwed up. Whoever asks for the divorce (unless it is for abuse or something simalier should not get custody especially if they have to depend on X amount of dollars from the husband to survive.

38 posted on 04/07/2002 3:25:41 PM PDT by winodog
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To: BigWaveBetty
BWBetty, the injustice you speak of is that of the fathers, taking matters in their own hands to break the law. The injustice that is the subject of this thread is the courts who make that law.

The only reason I got custody of my son back in 1994-95 (the court process was dragged out well over a year) was because his mother was about to marry a convicted child molester! My lawyer warned me that at any time, she could repudiate him, and get my son back. She never did, but before it was all over, I lost a job, had to file bankruptcy, and deal with a huge amount of crap. My lawyer quit on me before the trial, and I had to do six days of my own case. This was against two lawyers, my ex-mother-in-law hired one for herself (she bankrolled my ex's attorney) to get custody of my son, just in case my ex's legal strategy failed. The only reason I won was that I knew my adversaries better than their own lawyers did, and I was able to make them look like the treacherous jackasses they were.

It was sheer luck that I ended up with a judge that my ex could not pull her "poor little me" act on, like she has done since that time, whenever we have wound up in court over some aspect of the custody decree. Men get a lousy shake from the system, no matter how "liberated" women have supposed to have become.

39 posted on 04/07/2002 3:41:52 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: RGSpincich
Not to mention that failure to pay child support -- a misnomer at best, since virtually none of the money need go to the child -- is contempt of court and the father can be hauled into jail for it. Child support is the only instance of a debtor's prison in American jurisprudence. And no excuse of the father is good enough. He is a slave to his ex-wife until the decree expires. And the court is her pimp.
40 posted on 04/07/2002 3:55:36 PM PDT by IronJack
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