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Why so called safe sex and abortion are issues really about money not morals.
April 10, 2002 | Sonny M.

Posted on 04/10/2002 7:34:19 AM PDT by Sonny M

This whole safe sex issue/abortion issue has been made out by the press to be a moral debate but has anyone actually noticed the money involved? Here's something to think about, Liberals keep screaming that schools need to teach safe sex, that abstinence isn't working, and that condoms need to be distributed in schools. Well, here's why I have a problem with it. Give me the logic that says a comporation should be allowed to use government employees to teach possible consumers how to use their product, advertise their product and in essence endorse the product. Even better, those condoms aren't free. The government takes tax payer money to buy them and then have its own people distribute them. Question, which brand do you think students are going to wind up using, here's a clue,what company made the free sample? Even better, according to Trojans, they have a success rate between 85% and 90%. Hello??? This is reported as fact, as if a major corporation with billions at stake wouldn't lie, even better, the failure rate is attributed to missuse by the consumer according to them. In other words, we always work, and when we fail, its your fault. Most experts put the failure rate at anywhere from 15% to 25%. Put this number in perspective. Playing russian roulette with a loaded gun gives you a 83% chance of survival, we don't tell our kids its okay to shoot each other, should we tell them its okay to sleep with each other? Of course there is the good old fail safe abortion. The only surgical procedure that minors may get in most state without parental consent. Now bear in mind that abortion is not free, either the consumer pays for it, or the tax payer. Even if an organization like planned parenthood claims that they don't recieve money per abortion, if the number of abortions that particular chapter had dropped dramatically, those people in that clinic would lose their jobs, reason, no demand, no need for the clinic, new allocation of resources. Here's the best part, how much money is there in abstinence? Zero dollars, no corporations, no tax dollars, no one trying to give you unnecessary surgery to keep their jobs. I don't know how much money abortion providers and the makers of condoms and such donate to the democratic party, but I'd bet my soul that its more they'd ever give to Jesse Helms or any other true conservative.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: corporategreed; lies; safesex
When we let the media turn things into a moral debate and portray it as only a religious issue, we do a disservice to our cause. Just because something is immoral, doesn't mean thats the only reason why its wrong.
1 posted on 04/10/2002 7:34:20 AM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Sonny M
When I was growing up, safe sex meant that my parents didn't find out.
2 posted on 04/10/2002 7:37:36 AM PDT by Lokibob
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To: Sonny M
Good rant. I give it an 8.9. Paragraphs would have gotten you well into the 9 range.

But yes, you are correct, money is at the root of it. While loose morals pay off big for the abortion industry, we need to get the message across about how expen$ive loose morals are to the individual.

3 posted on 04/10/2002 7:41:23 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck
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To: Sonny M
This was my answer a few days ago about Planned parenthood.

What PP has to do with it is indoctrination. They have to convince and teach that sex is good, moral and safe with whoever, however and whenever. They have to keep a health crisis going or there won't be any need for them and they'll all lose their jobs. They have to keep the behavior going so they can continue to get funding for AIDS testing, condoms, STD testing, contraceptives, and abortion. If any of these things start to fall they may lose money.

4 posted on 04/10/2002 7:42:52 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Sonny M
bump for "big abortion", corporate welfare.
5 posted on 04/10/2002 7:51:44 AM PDT by Outraged
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To: tiki
Yes...and especially if the condoms are those Joselyn Elders leaky condoms as disributed in Arkansas while billy boy was governor
6 posted on 04/10/2002 7:53:18 AM PDT by spokeshave
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To: Sonny M
Exactly - I don't see school boards telling people "Well kids are just going to eat sweets anyway, so we're going to pay representatives from Hostess Corp to come into our schools and teach kids about their full line of pastries and cupcakes."
7 posted on 04/10/2002 8:03:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Sonny M
Osama bin Laden supports Planned Parenthood. He just doesn't think they're working fast enough...
8 posted on 04/10/2002 8:07:39 AM PDT by Ag88
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To: Sonny M
It's all about control. If you teach the people *not* to control themselves, you will more easily gain control of them. If they learn to control themselves, you won't be able to control them.
9 posted on 04/10/2002 8:22:56 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: tiki
I am also curious as to what kind of profit margin an abortion clinic has on each abortion. After all, abortions cost about, what, $300.00? By encouraging sex and minimizing the moral and health implications of abortions, these clinics stay in business.

I remember about three years ago reading a gruesome article about how abortion clinics often sell the remains to scientific researchers, all for very good money. What is the profit margin on this kind of business? And what exactly is being funded here?

Certain people scream their heads off if teenagers have access to Pepsi cola or Domino's pizza in schools, because they claim that children are being exploited for corporate profit. Yet abortion propaganda is a far more damaging exploitation of children than a sugar drink ever will be.

Everything is topsy turvy nowadays.

10 posted on 04/10/2002 8:24:15 AM PDT by ExiledinMD
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To: wideawake
Exactly - I don't see school boards telling people "Well kids are just going to eat sweets anyway,

How about 'kids are just going to play with [matches/guns/drugs/drinking/you name it] anyway so let's teach them how to do it safely. I don't hear any of those either. In fact there is a huge campaign to "just say no" to a lot of those things. Funny how that same approach 'won't work with sex"... even though it's never really been tried on a wider scale.

11 posted on 04/10/2002 8:25:21 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: ExiledinMD
After all, abortions cost about, what, $300.00? By encouraging sex and minimizing the moral and health implications of abortions, these clinics stay in business.

It strikes me that there is an analogy to the cigarette company court cases here... the Cig manufacturers supposedly withheld information on the long term health effects and addictivness of smoking...

Can we sue the abortion providers and make them pay for people's post abortion trauma/depression later in life? We can even have "second hand abortion trauma" for the guys whose babies were aborted with or without their consent. Makes sense to me, according to the cigarette company suit logic.

12 posted on 04/10/2002 8:28:22 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: ExiledinMD
Everything is topsy turvy nowadays.

Isn't it though??? I do feel often like I'm hearing lines from Alice In Wonderland when I read the papers or hear/see the news on radio or TV.

13 posted on 04/10/2002 8:29:30 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: ExiledinMD
I think it has a great profit potential. People pay up front, they sell things and they get government funding to boot.

I know a lot of people who started programs like this with state and federal money. PP was just a natural for them to get into.

Most of them are former hippies who went to liberal arts colleges and they came out and started writing grants to create 1st offender programs, mental health programs...Etc. These are the people who saw government as evil but found out how to exploit it for their own uses. It includes environmentalists too. They have used our system to systematically destroy the underpinnings of the society.

14 posted on 04/10/2002 8:52:50 AM PDT by tiki
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To: ExiledinMD
Everything is topsy turvy nowadays.

Yes. Including language. Call them anything you want; "chop shops:, "abortuaries", "abortion mills" but puleeze don't call them "clinics". Such facilities exist for the purpose of killing human beings, and have nothing to do with their healing. < /rant >

Cordially,

15 posted on 04/10/2002 9:51:47 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
I stand corrected.
16 posted on 04/10/2002 9:54:32 AM PDT by ExiledinMD
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To: ExiledinMD
Thanks!:^)

Cordially,

17 posted on 04/10/2002 10:08:40 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Sonny M;homeschool mama;SpookBrat;khepera;ArGee;EODGUY;Dakmar
Thank you so much for the post. Bumping!!!
18 posted on 04/10/2002 10:20:26 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: Sonny M
Good thinking.

I like the phrase "Big Abortion" which I've noticed people using here lately. We need additional catchy phrases that will stick in people's minds.


19 posted on 04/10/2002 10:24:38 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Terriergal
Can we sue the abortion providers and make them pay for people's post abortion trauma/depression later in life? We can even have "second hand abortion trauma" for the guys whose babies were aborted with or without their consent. Makes sense to me, according to the cigarette company suit logic.

You have struck upon the best kept secret by the pro-death movement. Of course the trauma and depression felt by women who have had an abortion results in their understandable silence, but I believe that the number of women and men suffering as a result of abortion is astronomical. I can't believe that a couple who aborted their first child don't regret that decision every time they look at the child they allowed to live.

I pray for these people, but only after I pray for the innocent child who was brutally murdered.

20 posted on 04/10/2002 10:41:34 AM PDT by EODGUY
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To: Terriergal
"It's all about control. If you teach the people *not* to control themselves, you will more easily gain control of them. If they learn to control themselves, you won't be able to control them."

You've hit the nail on the head with that statement, Terriergal. Those without a compass are destined to become lost. Of course, it doesn't help that leftwingers in government, media, and acedemia spend so much time demonizing compasses.

21 posted on 04/10/2002 10:51:09 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: wideawake
"Well kids are just going to eat sweets anyway, so we're going to . . .

Or, "Well, kids are going to smoke anyway, so we should introduce them to low tar, low nicotine cigarettes which take longer to give them cancer."

22 posted on 04/10/2002 11:14:16 AM PDT by Rubber Ducky
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To: Diamond
chop shops

Hadn't heard that one before. I'm going to use it.

23 posted on 04/10/2002 12:16:41 PM PDT by Steve1789
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To: Sonny M
Playing russian roulette with a loaded gun gives you a 83% chance of survival, we don't tell our kids its okay to shoot each other, should we tell them its okay to sleep with each other? Bad analogy. There aren't that many teenagers who are hankering to put a gun to their head relative to those hankering to have sex. I'd put the odds at 1 to 10 million. Also, it's self-serving to say contraception is sort of "optional" when you're not the one going to pay the price or be around when the consequences come along. I'd rather kids waited too. We should encourage that. Second choice, I'd rather fewer OOW children, fewer abortions and fewer young females having to shoulder the burdens alone (mostly the case) and being shit on by society to boot. In my view ANYTHING which promotes males being pro-active in preventing conception and being responsible is a good thing. That includes condoms and learning how to use them.
24 posted on 04/10/2002 8:06:06 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Condoms are about as safe as playing russian roulette. If we told kids we'd give them bullet proof vests, you know and I know the number would go up. My gripe is that these companies lie, and then exploit these kids for pure profit. Safe sex is a corporate market slogan that was not designed by politicians but by companies. I could never tell somone that your risk of engaging in harmfull behavior goes down down when you do this, when, knowing the facts, it is still harmfull behavior. If kids screw up their lives, then at least give them every single piece of usefull information that their is, and let them know all of the risks, and put it all in perspective. Lets stop lying to them for the sake of corporate welfare, the one piece where liberals assume its okay.
25 posted on 04/10/2002 10:41:01 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Sonny M
Condoms are a zillion times better at preventing pregnancy and STDs than using nothing. When condoms are compared to abstinence the odds change. Apples and oranges. That's why we need both. In addition to teaching abstinence, teaching young men about condoms sends a message loud and clear that to date not been sent their way: You cannot have sex with ZERO consequences. I think they need that message.
26 posted on 04/11/2002 4:31:27 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: syriacus

I like the phrase "Big Abortion" which I've noticed people using here lately. We need additional catchy phrases that will stick in people's minds.

A woman's right to kill.
Contraceptional-Abortional Complex.

"A woman's right to kill" is a good one. "Contraceptional-Abortional Complex" isn't. Feminists are always claiming that the pro life movement's real goal is to ban all contraceptives. Your slogan plays right into their hands.

27 posted on 04/13/2002 1:49:32 AM PDT by mechadogzilla
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To: mechadogzilla
You're right. "Contraceptional-Abortional Complex" is too confusing.

I was thinking of contraception in the context of the original post on this page, which says,

Give me the logic that says a comporation should be allowed to use government employees to teach possible consumers how to use their product, advertise their product and in essence endorse the product.

Other Americans will not have this context in mind.

28 posted on 04/13/2002 3:21:53 AM PDT by syriacus
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