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NY'ers: 'Flag Raising at Ground Zero' Should Have Won Pulitzer
NEWSMAX ^ | 4/11/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 04/11/2002 2:19:53 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

By a margin of two-to-one, New York Post readers say the Pulitzer Prize committee missed the boat on Tuesday when it gave its photojournalism award to the New York Times for a series of photos of the Twin Towers' collapse - while snubbing the now-legendary photo, "Flag Raising at Ground Zero."

66 percent of Post readers preferred the photo of firefighters Dan McWilliams, Bill Eisengrein and George Johnson hoisting Old Glory atop a makeshift flag pole they retrieved from the Twin Towers' wreckage just hours after the 9/11 attacks.

33 percent favored the Times series, in the self-selecting online poll.

The Pulitzer committee's decision left critics wondering if the controversy surrounding a 9/11 tribute based on the photo played a role in the choice.

In January, a firestorm of protest erupted after NewsMax.com revealed department-wide discontent over plans for a statue that altered the races of two of the three firemen. (See: Racial Changes Made in Ground Zero Firefighter Tribute)

After a week of nationwide outrage, the FDNY relented, announcing it would search for an alternative memorial.

The famed flag, now a historic icon that many compare the flag raised at Iwo Jima, was last flown two weeks ago in a ceremony aboard the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt after it returned to the U.S. after months at sea in the Persian Gulf.

Firefighter McWilliams was invited to the Roosevelt commemoration but couldn't accept because he was busy attending the funeral of a fellow New York City firefighter.

In March, McWilliams, Eisengrein and Johnson were invited to the White House after President Bush personally selected "Flag Raising" for a special-issue commemorative postage stamp.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flagraising; ny; pulitzer

1 posted on 04/11/2002 2:19:54 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Click Here for the NYT's Pulitzer-winning photos.
3 posted on 04/11/2002 2:34:06 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: kcrack
The NY Times won the majority of the awards, why do you think that was?
4 posted on 04/11/2002 2:34:37 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!
6 posted on 04/11/2002 2:38:29 PM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection;Jeff Head
Well, it's the photographer's fault. Had he staged a "diversity" photo-op, he would have won; but how can a photo with 3 caucasian guys even be considered. Now, had they been able to build that "diversity" statue (no thanks to Jeff Head's petition -- you undiversity, you!) and he photo-ed it, he might have won.

Get with the program! Diversity Diversity Diversity!

When Michael Belleseiles writes about this in a future book, we will know the truth--that that flag was raised by a diverse group of mixed-sex/mixed-culture/mixed-race/mixed-up liberals.

(end sarcasm)

In truth, it is regretful that the photo did not receive a Pulitzer; however, that photo will live in history and will always honor the day, September 11, 2001.
7 posted on 04/11/2002 2:39:24 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I'm a photographer and may be able to shed some light (get it) on this. One big strike the photo had against it was that it so closely resembled the flag raising at Iwo Jima photo. Photographic judges are acutely averse to anything that even resembles something that's been done before.
8 posted on 04/11/2002 2:41:33 PM PDT by beerhead
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This tells you all you need to know about the worth of the Pulitzers. They are a sham - along with the Red Cross, United Way, the AKC and the Nobel Peace Prizes, to name but a few. Pity.
9 posted on 04/11/2002 2:45:37 PM PDT by doberville
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I guess there was a warning after last year when the picture of Elian with the INS agent's gun in his face won a Pulitzer. What a shame, but the Pulitzer, like the Nobel is totally corrupted by the p.c. crowd.
10 posted on 04/11/2002 2:46:12 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: kcrack
You avoided my question. Why did all of the awards go to the big Rat publications?
11 posted on 04/11/2002 2:48:26 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: beerhead
Yeah, beerhead--methinks ye be correct--here's another pic that never got its due, notwithstanding it's THE GENUINE ARTICLE!

12 posted on 04/11/2002 2:49:35 PM PDT by gunnyg
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To: beerhead
When has it ever been done before here?
13 posted on 04/11/2002 2:49:50 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: OldFriend
"Nobel is totally corrupted by the p.c. crowd."

Finally.

14 posted on 04/11/2002 2:51:35 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: TomGuy
You are correct, sir. It will be like the Gettysburg address. At the time, Lincoln's brief remarks were considered only a postcript to the flowery and verbose speech of the gentleman who preceded him--- a name which is largely forgotten now. For two points, can anyone name this politician?
16 posted on 04/11/2002 3:02:29 PM PDT by Rubber Ducky
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

17 posted on 04/11/2002 3:29:56 PM PDT by gunnyg
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To: gunnyg
Say, isn't this the Pulitzer Prize winning photo? We can all say that every time we see it. After a while, the Pulitzer clowns will grow tired of correcting us, saying, "No, the most memorable photo of 2001 was not the winner. We chose a shot of some poor woman being stripped by a Mardi Gras crowd. Much more newsworthy." And every time they publish a retrospect, they'll be shamed. Of course, they are probably pretty shameless to begin with.
18 posted on 04/11/2002 3:52:32 PM PDT by Procyon
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To: gunnyg
I now realize why that photo couldn't win. It could never be included in future high school history books without retouching it to show the Hispanic homeless fireperson-of-gender and the paraplegic black fireperson with two daddies who, history will record, were there along with the lone white male person.
19 posted on 04/11/2002 3:57:47 PM PDT by Procyon
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To: beerhead
Sorry Mr. Photographer, Sir....but that excuse just doesn't fly!
20 posted on 04/11/2002 4:42:27 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In small print at the bottom of the Pulitzer citation:

Also nominated as finalists in this category were: Thomas E. Franklin of The Record, Hackensack, New Jersey, for his memorable photograph of three firefighters raising an American flag amidst the wreckage of the World Trade Center towers, and Tyler Hicks and James Hill of The New York Times for their comprehensive portfolio of dramatic yet humane images from the war in Afghanistan.

21 posted on 04/11/2002 4:56:19 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: gunnyg
Thanks.
22 posted on 04/11/2002 5:02:07 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: CedarDave;MeeknMing
The assholes can simply FO.

The picture is great. It says so much. Destruction is in the background, but defeat does not prevail. It's light out, the rescuers, men working together to save America, are restoring the nation's flag, our symbol of honor, peace, integrity, and strength. We aren't watching some plane blow the shit out of a building and destroy both it and those inside, we're seeing Americans work together to save and make our nation an even better place than it was before.

Bush, his administration, and our military are now advancing that cause while others dwell on the negative pictures and criticize the effort. Consider the damage done by the terrorists and the Rats seem to want to protect them! They certainly have no appreciation in the flag raising picture.

We must improve our nation as our founders saw fit and allow it to be decimated in this fashion.

23 posted on 04/11/2002 5:16:59 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Beelzebubba;Tumbleweed_Connection
Well, I have to say, after looking at the NYT collection of photos, that the collection (taken as a group) is worthy of a prize. However, I would be hard pressed to pick out an individual photo within that group that is as memorable and evokes an emotional response in so many ways as does the WTC flag raising.
24 posted on 04/11/2002 5:22:32 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The picture is great. It says so much. Destruction is in the background, but defeat does not prevail. It's light out, the rescuers, men working together to save America, are restoring the nation's flag, our symbol of honor, peace, integrity, and strength.

I didn't see this post while I was writing my #24, but your words captured my thoughts.

25 posted on 04/11/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
bump!

26 posted on 04/11/2002 7:16:24 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
I thought maybe you had some pictures of things other than the crashes.
27 posted on 04/11/2002 7:51:08 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Yeah, but not the Flag raising?.........



28 posted on 04/12/2002 3:26:53 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing

29 posted on 04/12/2002 5:15:16 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
ANOTHER THREAD!
30 posted on 04/12/2002 6:32:50 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
STILL ANOTHER THREAD!
31 posted on 04/12/2002 6:35:26 AM PDT by gunnyg
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