Skip to comments.BBC: Pope orders talks on US sex scandals
Posted on 04/15/2002 12:11:55 PM PDT by history_matters
The Vatican says the meeting with American cardinals will probably take place next week.
The Archbishops of New York and Boston - traditionally the two most important posts in the Catholic church in the US - have been under pressure to resign because of their alleged role in covering up cases of abuse involving priests.
The Archbishop of Milwaukee has also been accused of suppressing information about cases of alleged abuse.
The Catholic Church has also faced similar allegations in a number of other countries.
The Pope last month made his first public denunciation of guilty priests.
Time for action
Boston Archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law, 70, has been at the epicentre of a scandal in which he is accused of knowing that a few priests in his archdiocese were serial child molesters, but he did not discipline them - he simply moved them from parish to parish where they preyed on new victims.
The affair is similar to problems in St Louis, Florida, California, Philadelphia and Detroit.
Our correspondent says it has severely undermined the credibility of the church and clearly the Vatican now believes it has to take action.
Cardinal Law did not turn up to mass at his cathedral on Sunday because there were protesters outside the cathedral and he thought they would disrupt the service.
Across the whole country, 3,000 priests face allegations of child abuse.
Cardinal Law has been heavily criticised since former priest John Geoghan was convicted of child molesting.
He has acknowledged that he transferred Geoghan to another parish despite knowing of sexual misconduct allegations against the now-defrocked Boston priest.
Geoghan is believed to have abused more than 100 people over a 20-year period.
The scandals are also a huge financial burden for the church. They have settled out of court in many instances and the cost of that has been more than $1bn.
There is talk that some archdioceses will be bankrupted by the scandals.
Commentators suspect that the Pope will have to get rid of a layer of the Catholic hierarchy, starting with Cardinal Law.
Aside from that, I think that this is a good move for the Church. It shows that His Holiness is serious about solving these problems and that he will be involved in decisions about how the Church is going to deal with this serious problem.
Lord Jesus Christ, thou Good Physician, heal thy Church, we beseech thee.
The press relish the opportunity to paint the Pope in as bad a light as possible for whatever reason. I am praying for God to make good use of this papal summoning, and for the Church in America to be delivered from certain prelates and homosexual predator/priests.as a result.
Mary, Queen of All Saints, pray for us.
Finally, the Catholic Church is Scripturally based. Our faith is entirely grounded in Scripture, and Scripture is an important part of every Mass. If you have a problem with a specific Catholic doctrine or belief that you believe is not scripturally based, I would happy answer your question if I at all can.
The Catholic Church has never opposed the death penalty. According to EWTNs Q&A board which I found has a good summary of the Church's position, it says:
The Church's teaching has not changed, nor has the Pope said that it has. The Catechism and the Pope state that the state has the right to exact the death penalty. Nations have the right to just war and individuals have the right to self-defense. Does that means that any and all uses of force to defend oneself against a criminal, or a criminal nation, are justified? No, and most people understand that.
Here's the link because it's good stuff, but I don't want to reprint it all here on this thread. In summary, there must be no other option to protect the public good for capital punishment to be just. Capital Punishment
At least I HOPE.
May your continual pity, O Lord, cleanse and defend Your Church;
and, because without you she cannot endure in safety,
may she ever be governed by Your bounty.
Through our Lord Jesus Christ, Your Son,
Who lives and reigns with You in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
God, world without end.
O glorious St. Michael,
guardian and defender of the Church of Jesus Christ,
come to the assistance of this Church,
against which the powers of hell are unchained,
guard with especial care her august Head,
and obtain that for him and for us the hour of triumph may speedily arrive.
O glorious Archangel St. Michael,
watch over us during life, defend us against the assaults of the demon,
assist us especially at the hour of death;
obtain for us a favorable judgment, and the happiness
of beholding God face to face for endless ages.
YES! We need to write letters, respectful, identify ourselves as Catholic, praise God, and ask that the Vatican lead the initiative to clean house.
Say what? I think not. The problem is that priests aren't assenting to Church teaching on sexuality.
Can you find any specific references JP II has made to this scandal over the last decade?
Somebody said yesterday that he has been taking the American Church to task since 1983, but I don't remember him saying anything before last month.
One of the lone voices in the wilderness in the '80s was Andrew Greeley, who said on a Donahue show back then that priestly pederasty would become the "biggest scandal in Church history."
I guarentee you that the Latin Mass is the answer to every problem the Church has now.
With all due respect, there is no basis in fact to support your contention.
Many of the priests (like Geoghan and Porter) were ordained or were in seminary BEFORE Vatican II.
This is a recruiting problem, not a liturgical problem.
I believe is was 1993 and he was in America or the Americas when he condemned sexual sins in the priesthood. I can't remember where I read it, but it was here on FR. Someone posted an article from the time the Pope spoke up in reply to that he "just broke his silence" on this scandal.
Tonight I'll do a little research and see if I can find it. Maybe someone else has it handy.
At a conclave, there are ceremonial proceedings in Latin that take place; other pronouncements would probably be made in Italian.
Even these old Cardinals wouldn't do very well in conversational Latin.
Which is probably very little.
There is no hope for these people. Only a member of a cult would say something as ridiculous as the above and actually mean it.....
First, you assert that the authority the Catholic Church has, it gave to itself. I would argue that Jesus Christ gave the apostles the authority to teach the word of God:
Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age." (Mt 28:18-20)
"Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me." (Mt 10:40)
Do we agree that Jesus gave his disciples, the Apostles, the command to go out and spread the word of God, to "teach" the commandments? To share the "good news"? I think we do.
Catholics believe that Jesus made his Church on earth and put Peter, his apostle, as the head of the Church.
"And so I say to you, you are 'Rock', and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Mt 16:18-19)
"If he refuses to listen to them (two or three witnesses), tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector." (Mt 18:17)
Jesus distinctly gives Peter the command to tend to his flock, the people:
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep." (Jn 21:15-17)After St. Peter, the first Pope, there is a clear line of succession. Not all Pope's were good men; indeed, some Pope's led very sinful lives. But the church itself is holy: Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:2123). But it's important to note that not one iota of doctine has been changed: the bad Pope's had no role in saying that Christianity meant anything other than what it meant since the time of Christ.
Keep watch over yourselves and over the whole flock of which the holy Spirit has appointed you overseers (episcopous), in which you tend the church of God that he acquired with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)
I hope that you read why I wrote with an open heart, and think about it. I'm not trying to convert you, but to show you that the Catholic Church IS scripturally based, and that we hold fast TO scripture as the inspired word of God. That everything we do, and all our prayers, are directed to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity that all Christians -- Catholic and non-Catholic -- believe in.
Sigh...that is my fear.
It reminds me of the difference I noticed in how my teenage daughters reacted (as opposed to how I reacted to my parents) when told something they didn't want to hear. My daughters would listen to me patiently, and politely agree with everything I said, "Yes, m'am" and "no, m'am" they would say. Then they would proceed to ignore the directive and do whatever they wanted. They were smart, they knew I couldn't watch them 100% of the time. I, on the other hand, got whacked up side the head a number of times for "smart-mouthing" and arguing with my parents.
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