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TIME FOR A *MAJOR* FREEP IN MISSOURI! (BANG!!)
vanity | 4/16/2002 | john in missouri

Posted on 04/16/2002 9:55:16 AM PDT by john in missouri

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To: john in missouri
This is good, ChicagoFarmer, but I must take very strong possible exception to:

Policemen killed 330 innocent citizens in 1996 and CC’ers (30). Statistically you are 300 times more likely to be innocently shot by a policeman than a CC owner.

The source for the 330/ 30 statistic is Professor John R. Lott, Jr. in "Now That the Brady Law Is Law, You Are Not Any Safer Than Before," Philadelphia Inquirer, Feb. 1, 1994, p. A9.

This is NOT a statistic on concealed-carry permit holders, it is a statistic for all civilian gun owners in the USA! These far, far out number the CCW permit holders.

This must be John Lott. Sorry, this is not John Lott. Well I don't think it was. I will search for it. Wish it was however, I think it is not. Pulled the cop killings and the innocent killings from a Florida story 15 months ago. Have it some where on the harddisk.

41 posted on 04/16/2002 8:25:21 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: john in missouri;Lazamataz;all
John, I couldn't agree more......Missouri needs a change. BTW. our present MO Constitution (of which I have a copy in my hand) dates from 1945, not 1875. True, the section you quote is in the present one, and the source was the Const. of 1875, but that just illustrates why we need a change so much. Laz, the one (maybe) faint bright spot here is that Missouri is one of the states that allows amending its Constitution by initiative petition, without a Constitutional Convention. That's how we got Prop. B a year or so back (a CCW ballot issue that was narrowly defeated by the denizens of St. Louis & Kansas City). Who knows, though, perhaps if it was worded a little better, or maybe the timing might be better now.......
42 posted on 04/16/2002 8:34:59 PM PDT by Southbound
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To: Southbound
Who knows, though, perhaps if it was worded a little better, or maybe the timing might be better now.......

Correct on both counts. Personally, I'm certain that either would have put it over the top. The wording was EXTREMELY misleading as to the financial cost of Prop. B. I have heard some rumors within the gun rights community that this was done deliberately, basically at behest of the anti-gunners and then gov Mel Carnahan.

43 posted on 04/16/2002 9:09:33 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
This must be John Lott. Sorry, this is not John Lott. Well I don't think it was. I will search for it. Wish it was however, I think it is not.

It's John Lott. Pulled the source of this stat directly from his 1996 study. It's not CCW holders; it's all gun-owning citizens. See above.

44 posted on 04/16/2002 10:14:09 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: tahiti
If the a conceal carry law ever does become enacted in MO, I will never apply for the privilege.

When you do, you have just registered your firearm for future confiscation.

Did you not realize that any time you purchase a firearm in Missouri, that "permit to purchase" is RETAINED by the sheriff?

We already have gun registration. Most folks just don't realize it.

As far as registration and seizure goes, wasn't it you who advised me to send letters to all the LEOs, advising them I intend to exercise my right to carry? If the day of gun seizures ever comes, you don't think that'll mark you out as the first gun nut to be visited by the SWAT team?

45 posted on 04/16/2002 10:18:29 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
I wish I could, unfortunately in WA for a while. I should be back in MO around July, hopefully will be able to do stuff with ya'll then.
46 posted on 04/17/2002 12:41:32 AM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: john in missouri
John, sorry I didn't see the post in time to bump it. I'm in Ohio saw I wouldn't have been able to attend but I would love to know how it went today.
47 posted on 04/17/2002 3:44:21 PM PDT by muggs
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Well, I'd say we ended up with around 300 people there, maybe a few more. The tone, in essence, was that supporters of right-to-carry in MO are looking for politicians to "put up" or get "put out" in this election year. I know a lot of people went by the governor's office. It's just unfortunate that he's not up for reelection this year.

I personally think license-to-carry is going to make it through the legislature this year pretty much with flying colors. Whether the governor vetos it, is up to him.

If he does, then he clearly shows himself as an enemy of every good citizen who simply desires to be able to legally protect himself/ herself and their families from violent criminals. There's simply no good reason, no good excuse, for such an action. He calls for "homeland security" but does his best to block citizens from providing it for their own families.

If he does veto it, he also publicly reveals himself as a absolute hypocrite -- since we the taxpayers spend more than $700,000 a year on the armed security detail for him and his family -- yet he uses the power of the office we've put him in to prohibit good citizens from defending their own families, at their own expense.

48 posted on 04/17/2002 8:51:55 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Thank you for the alert and I wish I could have been there.
49 posted on 04/18/2002 10:13:41 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: john in missouri
I have never and never will register a handgun for the exact reason of fear of eventual attempts at confiscation.

Handgun registration violates the Missouri constitution.

50 posted on 04/18/2002 6:10:19 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: john in missouri
John

I been on vacation.

I am searching for the original posting, and it was an article from FL. It is also true that honest american citizens are also commit less crime, are safer that cops.

I also ran across data on COP shootings killing innocent citizens at DOJ, again did not footnote the story. I am learning this business that someday footnoting will increase you integrity.

Todate, can not put my finger on it. I now am more carefull to cut and past the data instead of just linking to URL links to work that I do.

I would like to find a rollup of total number of CCW licenses in the United states and redo the issue.

51 posted on 04/22/2002 9:02:46 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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