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SHAKES-QUEER? New Evidence Emerges to Prove William Shakespeare may be Gay
Ananova Breaking News Wire and the London Daily Sun ^ | Monday, April 22, 2002 00:14 GMT | What Tomorrow's Newspapers Say Staff

Posted on 04/21/2002 4:57:32 PM PDT by codebreaker

Ananova Breaking Wire-

What the Papers Say-The London Daily Sun

SHAKESQUEER

Me thinks new evidence has emerged that doth suggest William Shakespeare might have been gay.

I RULE

Tony Blair delivered an astonishing slapdown to Gordon Brown yesterday by stressing that Britain had elected him to run the country not the chancellor

Story Filed: 00:14 Monday, April 22, 2002 Greenwich Mean Time


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: london; shakespeare; sun; tomorrowspapers; uk
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Lincoln, Robin Hood..who next?
1 posted on 04/21/2002 4:57:32 PM PDT by codebreaker
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2 posted on 04/21/2002 4:59:14 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
Shouldn't you have posted this on the cheese forum?
3 posted on 04/21/2002 4:59:26 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I don't think the gay community thinks it is cheese, they seem to come up with a new celebrity press release each month who 'could be' gay...
4 posted on 04/21/2002 5:01:01 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
Can't argue with you there...
5 posted on 04/21/2002 5:02:19 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: codebreaker
Maybe they just mean he was bright and happy. I don't think gay meant sodomite in Shakespeare's day.
6 posted on 04/21/2002 5:04:03 PM PDT by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: Dog Gone
I think there are full time academics calling each other like Oprah's book club..what historical figure should we 'make gay' this month..
7 posted on 04/21/2002 5:04:57 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: Calculus_of_Consent
I always liked the word as describing someones mood, it was such a nice expression before it obtained another meaning.
8 posted on 04/21/2002 5:06:25 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
There is a huge differance in being gay and being a homosexual. I have no doubts that Good ole Bill was gay, but find it next to impossible to think of him as a perverted sodomite homosexual.
9 posted on 04/21/2002 5:10:51 PM PDT by Alas
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To: codebreaker
ROMEO

By a name

I know not how to tell thee who I am:

My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself,

Because it is an enemy to thee;

Had I it written, I would tear the word.

By the by, I put on women's clothing, and hang around in bars.


10 posted on 04/21/2002 5:13:27 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: codebreaker
There are reasons for thinking that Shakespeare was what we would now call bisexual. This was not a concept that existed in Shakespeare's day, so not only would he not have not identified himself on that basis, he wouldn't even have used such a word for himself.

This was the era of the wars of religion, when persons with the wrong views, like Catholics under Elizabeth, were threatened with persecution and worse. We know Shakespeare's father was a Catholic even after that became illegal, and there is good reason to believe that Shakespeare himself was educated as a Catholic when that was illegal. He was certainly not an open Catholic during his adult career, but I think there is no way to know what his real private opinions were. The sympathy he exhibits for Catholic kings of England in his history plays and for Catholic priests in plays like Romeo and Juliet suggests to me he remained a Catholic at heart. But, whether or not that is true, his family history and his youth gave him reason to sympathize with Catholics, who were regarded as the arch-traitors in Elizabeth's England. That gave him skepticism and sympathy for all sorts of characters, including villains.

And, in his day, religious loyalties and sympathies counted for far more than sexual orientation. Even a semiopen pederast like Christopher Marlowe identified himself more as a freethinking atheist than as a pederast.

11 posted on 04/21/2002 5:17:10 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: DainBramage
LOL! I missed that stanza..
12 posted on 04/21/2002 5:18:47 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
The link is inoperative, but if "Shakespere" was in fact Lord Oxford, than he was most certainly gay.
13 posted on 04/21/2002 5:19:05 PM PDT by Torie
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To: codebreaker
Abraham Lincoln and William Shakespeare are gay?? Jesus Christ will be next. This totally reeks of Tina Brown and her ilk!
14 posted on 04/21/2002 5:20:33 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: codebreaker
NEWS FLASH

William Shakespeare is DEAD

15 posted on 04/21/2002 5:23:25 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: codebreaker

BFD


17 posted on 04/21/2002 5:26:40 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: codebreaker
,,, "As you like it"?
18 posted on 04/21/2002 5:30:54 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: codebreaker
 New Evidence Emerges to Prove William Shakespeare may be Gay

You don't prove 'may.'

19 posted on 04/21/2002 5:40:42 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: aristeides
Add that he was an actor. A theatre person. Near obligatory randy pants.

Though he was also on the members roles at St Savoris parish, later to become Soutwark Cathedral, just east along the road from the Globe.

...Though again, With all his theatre pals.

20 posted on 04/21/2002 5:41:53 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: gcruse
I seen these same experts on cable argue this case before, wonder what this stunning 'new development' is..
21 posted on 04/21/2002 5:42:36 PM PDT by codebreaker
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To: straight on red
That's right, everyone who ever lived, is living, and will live in the future is a homo.

Does that include the Neanderthals? Is that the reason they went extinct?

22 posted on 04/21/2002 5:43:23 PM PDT by scouse
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To: codebreaker
they seem to come up with a new celebrity press release each month who 'could be' gay...

Could it be...oh, no!


23 posted on 04/21/2002 5:48:09 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: scouse
In Shakespeare's day, women were not allowed to perform on stage. All women's roles were played by boys dressed in women's clothing. Shakespeare wrote women's roles for boys. Homosexuals like to go after boys. Some of them like to dress up in women's clothing. Therefore Shakespeare was homosexual. QED. < /sarcasm >
24 posted on 04/21/2002 5:49:20 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: yumanity
Your hypothesis on the relationship between Shakespeare and his boy-actors sounds similar to that of priests and their altar boys.

The parallel is drawn pretty clearly in Olivier's classic movie of Shakespeare's Henry V.

27 posted on 04/21/2002 5:55:37 PM PDT by aristeides
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boys dressed in women's clothing.

That tradition was still played in a reversal every Christmas during the pantomimes which are a theatrical staple in the UK. The lead males are all played by woman.

It can cause quite a lot of worry when a boy going through puberty gets the hots for the Dick Whittington character. Thank Heaven my mother was a wise woman.

28 posted on 04/21/2002 5:58:16 PM PDT by scouse
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To: MoJo2001
They've already claimed that, too. They've even gone so far as to say that John the Apostle was Jesus' boy-lover.
29 posted on 04/21/2002 6:01:41 PM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: codebreaker
Oh no, here we go again. Won't the fairies ever give-up in trying to pervert our history? I wish these deviants would just shut up, lock their doors and b***er each other out of our sight.
30 posted on 04/21/2002 6:04:28 PM PDT by Merdoug
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To: Alas
"I have no doubts that Good ole Bill was gay, but find it next to impossible to think of him as a perverted sodomite homosexual"

How about a perverted sodomite homosexual JERK?

31 posted on 04/21/2002 6:06:33 PM PDT by hgro
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To: Dog Gone
This is great. Shakespeare being gay takes him off the cursed dead white male undesirables. Now that he is homosexual we can see a re emergence of shakespeare being taught in public schools. I say celebrate this diversity, (if teachers still knbow how teach Othello).
32 posted on 04/21/2002 6:08:48 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: constitutiongirl
Homosexuals are like Chicago Democrats: they both recruit the dead!
33 posted on 04/21/2002 6:10:15 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Betty Jane
There is strong evidence that Plato, Sophocles, and Pindar were homosexual, among leading Greek writers. There is reasonable evidence that Virgil was. That fact doesn't seem to have preserved their place in the curriculum. The leftist educrats will only use an author's homosexuality to defend or preserve him if he can be used to support their leftist agenda (well, actually, Plato could be used for that purpose, but they're too stupid to see that.)
34 posted on 04/21/2002 6:14:07 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: codebreaker
"Hom(e)o, Hom(e)o, where for art thou, Hom(e)o?"
35 posted on 04/21/2002 6:14:17 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
William Shakespeare is DEAD

AIDS must have done him in.

36 posted on 04/21/2002 6:15:25 PM PDT by putupon
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NEWS FLASH

William Shakespeare is DEAD

Shakespeare dead??? Oh sob.

I didn't even know he was sick.

Oh, you mean Shakspeare.

37 posted on 04/21/2002 6:19:03 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: onedoug
Add that he was an actor. A theatre person.

Yeah, and how about that goatee?

38 posted on 04/21/2002 6:23:55 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: codebreaker
Shakespeare wasn’t gay although he was a thespian when he was younger.
39 posted on 04/21/2002 6:24:11 PM PDT by Gaston
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To: Betty Jane
Now that he is homosexual we can see a re-emergence of shakespeare being taught in public schools.

LOL. Great take.

40 posted on 04/21/2002 6:24:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: codebreaker
I do believe Shakespeare might have written this:

Or not.

41 posted on 04/21/2002 6:27:45 PM PDT by Physicist
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Lincoln, Robin Hood..who next?

Don't you know the rule about historical figures? Once the autobiographocal gold has been mined by the first few generations of scholars, the late-comers "discover" that they were either gay, consumed by an STD, or were at the very least engaged in adulterous affairs.

42 posted on 04/21/2002 6:35:02 PM PDT by BradyLS
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To: Gaston
although he was a thespian when he was younger.

LOL

43 posted on 04/21/2002 6:43:14 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: aristeides
It just toasts me that people find some kind of satisfaction out of trying to explain the motivations of long dead famous people, especially so, when it is one of the poeple I most respect. We can't even agree on what he wrote or what he stole, but we now feel confident in espousing his sexual orientation. His ability to describe the universal human condition defies anyones attempt to define him; because you must use his own writings which were made to describe to you your condition, to describe him. Good luck.
44 posted on 04/21/2002 6:53:13 PM PDT by TheHound
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To: yumanity
A poetical interlude.
Something from the War poets I think.

"Maundy Thursday" Wilfred Owen.

Between the brown hands of a server lad,
The silver cross was offered to be kissed.
The men came up, lugubrious, but not sad,
And knelt reluctantly, half-prejudiced.
( and kissing, kissed the emblem of a creed.)
The mourning women knelt; meek mouths they had.
(And kissed the body of Christ indeed.)
The young children came, with eager lips and glad.
(These kissed a silver doll, immensely bright.)
Then I too knelt before that Acolyte.
Above the crucifix I bent my head:
The Christ was thin, and cold, and very dead:
And yet I bowed, yea, kissed - my lips did cling
I kissed the warm live hand that held the thing.

45 posted on 04/21/2002 7:02:12 PM PDT by tet68
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To: TheHound
I thought I was saying his sexual orientation doesn't particularly matter. Where do we disagree?
46 posted on 04/21/2002 7:03:17 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: codebreaker
There is a war going on, who cares if Bill was a fag?
49 posted on 04/21/2002 7:11:48 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: aristeides
That was written to agree with your comment 11. For your others I reserve comment.
50 posted on 04/21/2002 7:14:40 PM PDT by TheHound
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