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Odd Portrait Has Many Guessing Shakespeare Was Gay
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Posted on 04/23/2002 7:23:36 AM PDT by Dallas

LONDON (Reuters) - A 400-year-old painting previously believed to be that of a woman has been found to portray the male patron and friend of William Shakespeare, its owner said on Tuesday.

The picture of the Earl of Southampton, featuring a figure with long, black curly hair, pursed red lips, an earring and a slender right hand, has prompted speculation in British media that Shakespeare was gay.

"He is wearing perfectly fashionable male attire of the day, but the earring and the hair are effeminate and unusual for the 1590s," the painting's owner Alec Cobbe told Reuters.

He said that his family had assumed for centuries that the picture was of a Lady Norton.

But after discovering links between his own family and the Southamptons and a striking resemblance between the portrait and other representations of the 3rd Earl of Southampton, Cobbe was convinced that it is Shakespeare's friend and frequent host.

Scholars have long argued that Southampton was the handsome young man in his late teens to whom an early sequence of Shakespeare's sonnets was addressed.

The painting is dated to around 1590, when Shakespeare was writing early sonnets including one to the "master-mistress of my passion."

"It certainly illustrates that sonnet (number 20) very vividly. We are looking at the subject of the sonnet, I'm sure," said Cobbe.

Alastair Laing, the National Trust's adviser on art, first suggested to Cobbe that the picture was of a male.

"I was cataloguing this collection and realized that this was a young man with long hair, which one or two dandies of the time affected in this manner," he told Reuters.

He is also convinced that the picture is of Southampton, although he argued that the man was not necessarily affecting a female appearance, as a modern observer may assume.

"This is a man but he is not a cross-dresser," Laing said.

"He is not wearing lipstick -- some pigments just stand the passage of time better than others, giving this appearance. It is dangerous to assume anything about this man's character from this portrait."

British newspapers have played up the significance of the discovery (news - web sites), with the mass circulation tabloid Sun headlining its story "Shakesqueer."

But even if the discovery of the portrait is much ado about nothing, it has proved effective publicity for the painting, which is now on show at Cobbe's stately home at Hatchlands Park in southern England.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aleccobbe; cobbeportrait; cobbesalad; gaykkk; homosexualagenda; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; principumamicitias; stanleywells; unitedkingdom; williamshakespeare
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1 posted on 04/23/2002 7:23:36 AM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas
View the portrait (PDF file)
2 posted on 04/23/2002 7:26:36 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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Shakespeare being gay is hardly a news flash.
3 posted on 04/23/2002 7:26:47 AM PDT by emjsea
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To: Dallas
”has prompted speculation in British media that Shakespeare was gay.

DUH ! He was in the theater wasn’t he?

But seriously, wasn’t all the female parts back then played by males?

4 posted on 04/23/2002 7:40:27 AM PDT by Robe
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To: Dallas
The picture of the Earl of Southampton, featuring a figure with long, black curly hair, pursed red lips, an earring and a slender right hand

That's it. We are kicking him out of the Earl's club.

5 posted on 04/23/2002 7:41:36 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Dallas
"Let's face it -- without Jews, fags and Gypsies there would be no theater!"
-Mel Brooks playing a theatrical actor/producer in 1983's To Be Or Not To Be.

6 posted on 04/23/2002 7:45:58 AM PDT by Snake65
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To: Dallas
Well...that settles it. If Shakespeare was gay, gayness is now a-ok in my book. NOT!
7 posted on 04/23/2002 7:46:03 AM PDT by mconder
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To: Dallas
Who cares? Shakespeare probably didn't write Shakespeare anyway.

Joe Sobran wrote a pretty convincing book that the real author of "Shakespeare's" works was Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. But maybe that guy was gay too.

8 posted on 04/23/2002 7:48:04 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: Dallas
This is nothing more than the homosexuals trying to say that the only great writing, art, etc., came from homosexuals. It was a different world back then; men wore lace and stockings back then. They expressed themselves differently in those days. Just look at all the straight guys running around today with earrings and designer names plastered all over themselves. Does that automatically make them homosexual?
9 posted on 04/23/2002 8:02:54 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Dallas
The Sonnets were inspired not by man-boy love, but by love for God Himself.

Shakespeare's muse was the Lord, his words are the poetry of one enflamed and informed by Divinity.

This BS about the Sonnets being silly little love songs to some Nancy-boy make me mad as hell...I'm bored and sick and tired of it.

People need to look a little deeper, instead of project their movie onto this guy and his work. Hah, as if they would ever happen...hell, I'm doing it right now.

Out, damn spot. This mote in my eye is so troublesome sometimes.

10 posted on 04/23/2002 8:05:34 AM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Robe
He was in the theater wasn’t he?

Drama fag.

11 posted on 04/23/2002 8:08:19 AM PDT by geaux
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To: Dallas

"I've seen the picture...here let me post it."


12 posted on 04/23/2002 8:08:28 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: jwfiv
"Neither a faggot nor a buggard be..."
13 posted on 04/23/2002 8:08:35 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: jgrubbs; Dallas
Sure looks like a chick to me. How'd old boy decide it was a she-male, now?
14 posted on 04/23/2002 8:09:02 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: Dallas
How long before we all understand that *everyone* in the past was gay? Geesh, get with the program guys.
15 posted on 04/23/2002 8:11:05 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Dallas
The Brits usually document their research for historical productions extremely thoroughly. When they produced that excellent series "Elizabeth R" with Glenda Jackson back in the 70's, they often depicted men of the court wearing earrings. Granted, they did not appear as effeminately as the portrait of the Earl of Southampton, but maybe that artist used "poetic license." In the portrait, he also is thought to be a teenager which might account for the complexion and delicate features.
Anyway, what does it matter whether Shakespeare might have been gay or not...he (or whoever really wrote those works) was a genius.
16 posted on 04/23/2002 8:14:23 AM PDT by stanz
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To: gumbo
Interesting. William Still has some convincing evidence in his book "The New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies" that Sir Frances Bacon actually authored the works of Shakespeare.
17 posted on 04/23/2002 8:15:58 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: Dallas
This is such self serving horsehockey.

Look, anyone with half a brain knows this is just another attempt by militant homosexuals to make their behavior "acceptable".

We had people saying such ridiculous things about Lincoln and George Washington. Given the fact these men were married to women did not deter things in the slightest.

Now, they are going after Shakespeare, inarguably the world's greatest playwright. When is someone going to tell them to sit down and shut up?

PS: Does anyone remember when people tried to suggest the model for the Mona Lisa was none other than Da Vinci himself?

18 posted on 04/23/2002 8:21:35 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Dallas
Wan't the old Bard seen around Ft. Marcy Park just about the time Vince was waxed?
19 posted on 04/23/2002 8:23:36 AM PDT by zarf
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To: gumbo
Who cares? Shakespeare probably didn't write Shakespeare anyway. Joe Sobran wrote a pretty convincing book that the real author of "Shakespeare's" works was Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. But maybe that guy was gay too.

I've read that some researchers believe Shakespeares' works were actually written by Queen Elizabeth I. I'll look around, see what I can find. Had some interest in this during senior english WAY back in high school. Funny what sometimes surfaces from the past.

20 posted on 04/23/2002 8:34:02 AM PDT by toddst
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