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BREAKING: Church uncovers [NEW!!!] file on Shanley NAMBLA activity
Boston Herald ^ | 4-25-2002 | Maggie Mulvihill and Robin Washington

Posted on 04/25/2002 9:18:29 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

Church uncovers file on Shanley NAMBLA activity

by Maggie Mulvihill and Robin Washington
Thursday, April 25, 2002

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In the latest example of the Boston archdiocese's chaotic record-keeping on problem priests, church officials acknowledged yesterday their discovery of new records detailing allegations of the Rev. Paul R. Shanley's involvement in NAMBLA - the North American Man-Boy Love Association.<!ENDSUMM!>

The documents, part of a larger group a judge earlier this month ordered turned over to Roderick MacLeish, a lawyer representing several alleged victims of Shanley, were located late last week by an unnamed archdiocesean staff member, the Rev. Christopher Coyne, said an archdiocesan spokesman.

``It's terribly embarrassing at this late date to come out and say this,'' Coyne said in addressing reporters on the lawn of the Brighton Chancery.

``No one knew that the files were around,'' Coyne said. ``It wasn't just one letter that was overlooked. It's another bad thing. It makes us look like we are not being honest. It's just awful.''

The Shanley file released to date - more than 800 pages of secret records - detailed the priest's long history of alleged sexual misconduct, and, on some pages, his admissions of the actions.

But more damning were numerous documents revealing that Bernard Cardinal Law, his predecessor, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros, and other archdiocesean officials were aware of Shanley's behavior as far back as 1967, but continued to assign him to posts that put him in direct contact with children.

Coyne appeared visibly angry as he revealed the discovery of the documents, saying there is no question now that there had been numerous written complaints made in past years to chancery officials about Shanley's behavior.

MacLeish, who will receive the papers today, said he was furious with the discovery.

``If they're NAMBLA materials, as they say they are, then it's absolutely appalling. I can't believe it,'' he said, adding that he intends to investigate how the documents were missed.

``We are taking the deposition of (the church officials) involved in this document retrieval. The truth will have to come out,'' he said.

In the initial document release three weeks ago, records showed that Shanley spoke in favor of sex between men and boys at a December 1978 Boston convention that led to the founding of the intergenerational sex advocacy organization.

But a Shanley supporter who organized the meeting and later co-founded NAMBLA insists that it has been mischaracterized, and that many different points of view on the subject were presented.

``It certainly was not some kind of a man-boy group,'' said the man, who goes by the pseudonym of Socrates.

``There were social workers, psychiatrists, ministers and even law enforcement personnel. At that time, these issues could be discussed in an objective forum. You can't do that now.''

More germane to the accusations of MacLeish's clients is Socrates' contention that it would have been totally out of character for Shanley to have had violent sex with a 6-year-old.

In his suit and in a criminal complaint to Newton police, Gregory Ford, 24, claims that Shanley yanked him out of CCD classes and repeatedly fondled and raped him as a child in the rectory of Newton's St. Jean's Parish for six years beginning in 1984. ``I don't believe it, based on what I know of him,'' Socrates said, insisting that the priest would never have had sex with a pre-pubescent boy. ``I don't believe he ever did anything by force.''

MacLeish vehemently disputed that, saying, ``They say he wasn't violent. That's absolute total nonsense.''

``I have a forcible rape case against Paul Shanley from 1990 involving a 13-year-old. This notion that you're either interested in pedophilia or ephebophilia (sex with teens) is absolute nonsense,'' MacLeish charged.

MacLeish also said Ford and a second alleged victim, Paul Busa, who attended the classes with Ford but hasn't seen him in years, could not have collaborated to fabricate their allegations.

``NAMBLA has as much credibility on this as Ken Lay does on suggestions to reform Enron,'' MacLeish said.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: cardinallaw; catholic; homosexual; homosexualagenda; nambla; scandal
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1 posted on 04/25/2002 9:18:29 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
BTTT
2 posted on 04/25/2002 9:19:34 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Notwithstanding
I just can't see how anyone could argue that Law should stay in office.
3 posted on 04/25/2002 9:20:40 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
Bump
4 posted on 04/25/2002 9:21:38 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Notwithstanding
Mr. Horse, how do you feel about the activities of the priests?

"No sir, I don't like it..."
5 posted on 04/25/2002 9:22:27 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Notwithstanding
Jesus will forgive him as well as those who have lived a good , clean life.....so does any of this matter?

Party On baby!!!

6 posted on 04/25/2002 9:24:15 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Notwithstanding
I never even knew what NAMBLA was until I started Freeping. If this report is true then it is a truly depressing situation. Suggestions that this goes back to the 1960's is even more incredible. Man, this is really disgusting. The best we can hope for is that the Church now cleans house and gets back to basics. There must be some sort of a silver lining to this cloud somewhere.
7 posted on 04/25/2002 9:25:29 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Notwithstanding
Another nail in Bernards coffin.
8 posted on 04/25/2002 9:26:23 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
What could he have been thinking of all those years?
9 posted on 04/25/2002 9:26:59 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Notwithstanding;stingray51
But more damning were numerous documents revealing that Bernard Cardinal Law, his predecessor, Humberto Cardinal Medeiros, and other archdiocesean officials were aware of Shanley's behavior as far back as 1967, but continued to assign him to posts that put him in direct contact with children.

Law should be defrocked and thrown in jail. Let Bubba teach him a lesson or two about sodomy.

10 posted on 04/25/2002 9:27:31 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: zarf
No, Jesus is going to grind this creep into powder if he doesn't repent.
11 posted on 04/25/2002 9:30:01 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Notwithstanding
What's wrong with our culture when shame is so alien that no one resigns in disgrace, ever?
12 posted on 04/25/2002 9:31:58 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: johniegrad
Either Law is smoking freebase or Shanley's got something on him...it's the only explanation.
13 posted on 04/25/2002 9:32:47 AM PDT by Cu Roi
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To: Cu Roi
I hate to think of it in those terms but who knows? I get taken aback by this kind of stuff all the time.
14 posted on 04/25/2002 9:34:41 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Cu Roi
Either Law is smoking freebase or Shanley's got something on him...it's the only explanation

The only explanation that I can come up with is that Law is one of them.

15 posted on 04/25/2002 9:36:23 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Notwithstanding
I just can't see how anyone could argue that Law should stay in office.

I worry that the analogy will be made with pro-abortion priests; they're able to stay on, and cause even more harm. Why then not the odd NAMBLA man? Tolerance of dissent makes a hospitable environment for even more egregious dissent and even illegal forms of advocacy.

Check out this "gem" from Notre Dame's McBrien:

The Rev. Richard McBrien, a prominent theologian from Notre Dame University, raised the issue recently in comments about the sex abuse scandal. "One of the good things that will come out of this crisis is that the Catholic Church, at least at the official level, will no longer be able to speak out on sexuality. The church's concern with sexuality has been obsessive," he said. (source)
This crisis is the one area where obsession with sexuality is justified, and here we have theologians still trying to push their stinking agenda of "liberation" and "liberalization."
16 posted on 04/25/2002 9:36:59 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: Notwithstanding
Peverts hiding behind mythology to satisfy their base desires.....ya gotta love organized religion, don't cha?

i think I'm converting to Buddism or Hinduism.....Daoism perhaps?

At least it's closer to the "truth".

17 posted on 04/25/2002 9:37:16 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Cu Roi
The rumor is that Shanley has information on previous Cardinals (now dead) who molested him while he was an altar boy and seminarian. Cardinal Law and Cardinal Medeiros supposedly were told by Shanley that he'd release the info if they did not recommend him for certain posts or tried to throw him out.

Cardinal Law might be a lot of things, but I do not believe he is a homosexual. Of course, this whole thing is so evil and unbelievable and grotesque and deep rooted, I don't know what I think anymore!

18 posted on 04/25/2002 9:37:32 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Romulus
What's wrong with our culture when shame is so alien that no one resigns in disgrace, ever?"

Good question. Were our "values" operative 2000 years, Bishop Judas would have asked Peter for sugestions on how best to cope with the scandal.

19 posted on 04/25/2002 9:37:38 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Rodney King
Sorry, I meant #18 for you.
20 posted on 04/25/2002 9:38:24 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Notwithstanding
Yeah record keepin' can be a real problem...when you got so many perverts in your church it's hard to remember them all so ya gotta keep good records...
21 posted on 04/25/2002 9:40:01 AM PDT by Drango
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To: Notwithstanding
But a Shanley supporter who organized the meeting and later co-founded NAMBLA insists that it has been mischaracterized, and that many different points of view on the subject were presented.

``It certainly was not some kind of a man-boy group,'' said the man, who goes by the pseudonym of Socrates.

Huh?

22 posted on 04/25/2002 9:40:19 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: american colleen
Thanks for the info. The issue now is restoring faith in the church. Any true Christian would gladly take momentary shame to ensure the saving of many thousands of souls. These guys need to come clean.
23 posted on 04/25/2002 9:41:03 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Notwithstanding
The documents, part of a larger group a judge earlier this month ordered turned over to Roderick MacLeish, a lawyer representing several alleged victims of Shanley, were located late last week by an unnamed archdiocesean staff member, the Rev. Christopher Coyne, said an archdiocesan spokesman.

This is a great sentence! The "unnamed staff member" is "the Rev. Christopher Coyne"?

24 posted on 04/25/2002 9:41:55 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dumb_Ox
That is one of the stupidest quotes I have seen in a long time. And to think he was so clueless as to allow himself to be quoted on it?!
25 posted on 04/25/2002 9:42:39 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: zarf
Im sorry you feel this way... You apparently are perfect and know the "truth" that we all have been mistaken for thousands of years. But you know better...because you are zarf. Jesus bows to zarf and his all knowing ways...

Actually...Hmm..nevermind, Ill take Jesus over zarfism do to Jesus's unrelenting love and forgiveness.... Rather than zarfism that ridicules a whole for a few bad apples... Thanks for the offer though....

26 posted on 04/25/2002 9:43:36 AM PDT by smith288
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To: zarf
Jesus will forgive him as well as those who have lived a good , clean life.....so does any of this matter?

You make a fool out of yourself with your lack of knowledge of the Catholic faith.

Jesus will forgive him only if he is sincerely repentant.

27 posted on 04/25/2002 9:44:18 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: smith288
do = due
28 posted on 04/25/2002 9:45:15 AM PDT by smith288
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To: sailor4321
head in sand ping
29 posted on 04/25/2002 9:46:57 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: mhking
And that's the name of that toon!
30 posted on 04/25/2002 9:48:12 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Rodney King
There are a number of Roy Cohn types running around in gay circles...guys who are so obsessed with depravity that they can immediately identify any potential sexual weaknesses in others.

That's not to say that Law is a predator per se. These grunt-level priests can seemingly get away with anything short of doing snuff videos, but the same does not apply to Cardinals. Something as innocent as a relationship with an unmarried adult woman may be sufficient to bring one of these guys down.

The good news is now that we have the hardcore predators on the run, they may use the Barney Frank strategy and point the finger at any hypocritical superiors who move against them. There may be honor among thieves, but for these kinds of whackjobs "misery loves company" is more like it.

31 posted on 04/25/2002 9:48:53 AM PDT by Cu Roi
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To: Rodney King
I agree with you 100%. It seems that quite a few of our Bishops and Cardinals have been more concerned with maintaining their titles and/or credibility by covering up crimes committed from within. If only they had been as concerned with maintaining the faith, which would have in turn given them the moral certitude to dispose of the evil priests (and lessened the possibility of them entering the priesthood in the first place) and in doing so would have given them more credibility in the eyes of those who count.
32 posted on 04/25/2002 9:50:54 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: johniegrad
What could he have been thinking of all those years?

Apparently he was thinking that as long as the priest didn't get caught, it wasn't his problem. I don't see that Cardinal Law gave any thought at all to all the children this guy molested. Makes you wonder about the cardinel's real moral values doesn't it?

33 posted on 04/25/2002 9:51:51 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Notwithstanding
Roderick MacLeish, a lawyer representing several alleged victims of Shanley

Although Eric MacLeish does a lot of noble representation, it is also worth noting that he and his brethren "advocated" involuntary incarceration for mental illness nearly out of existence, leaving America with a homeless population of which 40 percent are in serious need of psychiatric housing and observation.

34 posted on 04/25/2002 9:52:30 AM PDT by angkor
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To: NewHampshireDuo
I don't see that Cardinal Law gave any thought at all to all the children this guy molested. Makes you wonder about the cardinel's real moral values doesn't it?

No need to wonder anymore, it's pretty clear. This is a test for the American Bishops. Few will pass.

35 posted on 04/25/2002 9:54:35 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: BlessedBeGod
I don't give a damn if this bastard priest eats dirt for the next hundred years and "truly repents" (whatever the hell that means)....there should be no forgiveness for any pervert who abuses a young child in this manner.

No just God would do so.

I hope he burns in hell for eternity with the rest of these preditorial bastards.

36 posted on 04/25/2002 9:55:06 AM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf
Our God forgives, but he also knows their hearts, and he sees the self-preservation that is going on - and the lack of true penance.
37 posted on 04/25/2002 9:57:52 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Notwithstanding

An archidioescan spokesperson is pictured here with new files
concerning Rev. Paul R. Shanley.  "We're angry about this.  We
don't know how it could have happened.  Could I get some
help here!"

Sure Hillary, sure...

38 posted on 04/25/2002 9:58:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Notwithstanding
And shouldn't those who compiled the files be prosecuted as well? This situation is outrageous. And the fact that the cardinals wouldn't adopt a zero tolerance policy is appalling.
39 posted on 04/25/2002 9:58:25 AM PDT by agrace
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To: smith288
If Jesus can forgive a piece of trash for raping a 13 year old child, then I want no part of him.

There is no amount repenting that can rescue this man from hell. To claim there is demeans those who live moral lives.

40 posted on 04/25/2002 10:01:23 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Notwithstanding
"...the founding of the intergenerational sex advocacy organization "

How's THAT for a euphemism for NAMBLA! Sounds so nice, doesn't it?

The Boston Herald isn't even good for toilet paper.

Cordially,

41 posted on 04/25/2002 10:01:35 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: american colleen
Cardinal Law might be a lot of things, but I do not believe he is a homosexual. Of course, this whole thing is so evil and unbelievable and grotesque and deep rooted, I don't know what I think anymore!

I was thinking similar thoughts when I posted #31. One thing I believe the Vatican should have addressed this week is the issue of blackmail. It is only natural for a man to want to have a woman, and celibacy is obviously a huge burden for any normal man.

Any priest who has been involved in adult heterosexual relationships should be told that this is their opportunity to come forward without reprecussions. Everybody steps out of line sometimes, and now if the time to separate the wheat from the chaff. I know parishoners will be understanding; I think many would sleep better at night knowing that the man is straight.

42 posted on 04/25/2002 10:02:29 AM PDT by Cu Roi
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To: Notwithstanding
Sick. The only good that comes out of this is that NAMBLA gets posed as the ~opposite~ of many people's idea of "good": a celibate reverend.
43 posted on 04/25/2002 10:06:51 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Rodney King
Let Bubba teach him a lesson or two about sodomy.

This is not meant as a cruel joke, but how do we know that Law has no knowledge of sodomy? He holds desperately to the reins of power. Makes me wonder why. Is it inconceivable that a U.S. cardinal would be guilty of of crimes against yourngsters? No, of course not.

44 posted on 04/25/2002 10:09:07 AM PDT by yikes
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To: Romulus
What's wrong with our culture when shame is so alien that no one resigns in disgrace, ever? Do you know what I thought of when you typed this?

In the aftermath of the debacle at Waco, Tx--Janet Reno stood before the cameras, before Congress, before the American people and said:

"I accept responsibility! I was in charge."

People at the time were saying: "Finally someone takes responsibility!"

But you know what? It meant NOTHING. No resignation, nothing. In fact--she was LAUDED by the media. She appeared on the covers of Time and Newsweek. She was given hero status.

People want the benefits of "stepping up to the plate." But no one ever resigns or accepts punishment anymore......for anything.


45 posted on 04/25/2002 10:09:56 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Now we can be sure that NAMBLA is evil, when Slate derides priests' condemnation of homosexuality: Get It Straight -- The hypocrisy of blaming gays for sexual abuse by priests.
46 posted on 04/25/2002 10:10:49 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Notwithstanding
The 2 scumbags that murdered and raped a 10 yer old in Cambridge were NAMBLA acolytes.
They're serving life in Walpole and the inside story is it's very hard time.
47 posted on 04/25/2002 10:11:58 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Romulus; Orual; aculeus
What's wrong with our culture when shame is so alien that no one resigns in disgrace, ever?

Excellent question.

48 posted on 04/25/2002 10:13:34 AM PDT by dighton
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To: zarf
In Jesus eyes, no sin is worse than another... it is human nature to sin and it is expected by God. The only way to gain forgiveness by God is to truely repent your wrongs and to work at resolving you wrongs... you cant simply say it...you must have a heartfelt repentance... You must be honest...

Without God, there is no relativity to what is good and what isnt.

So your moral guidelines are actually directed by God.... But damn him for allowing forgiveness for those YOU seem to deem a worse sin than what you have done.

49 posted on 04/25/2002 10:14:30 AM PDT by smith288
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To: SkyPilot
I take that back.

Rep Livingston resigned as House Speaker and took responsibility.

Most people these days do not.

Next comes "What about benefits for my Life Partner?"

Disgusting.

50 posted on 04/25/2002 10:14:56 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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