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Copper Sunday - a Message to the Catholic Bishops
Posted on 04/26/2002 6:56:28 PM PDT by history_matters
May 19, 2002
If you are Catholic and you favor
(1)ONE STRIKE, YOU'RE OUT,
(2)criminal prosecution of all perpetrators of sex crimes
(whether cardinals, bishops, priests or deacons),
(3)weeding homosexuals out of the seminaries; and,
(4)the promotion of orthodox leaders in the Church
show your displeasure with the current inaction
of the US Catholic Cardinals and US bishops by putting only a single penny in the collection basket on Sunday, May the 19th, 2002.
Remember to pray, fast, and make sacrifices for the welfare of the Catholic Church, for the Pope, and for Christ's godly and holy priests.
Remember to pray a ROSARY FOR PRIESTS on Sunday MAY 12th.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiccaucus; catholicchurch; catholiclist; coppersunday; homosexuality; purification; sexcrimes; usccb
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This idea originated in a discussion with Diago and Drango. Please spread the word...
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posted on 04/26/2002 6:58:52 PM PDT
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I've been tithing so long, it'll feel strange...I guess I'll have to give my tithe somewhere else...
I think the strategy is great but it's wishful thinking to suppose that a single "copper sunday" will achieve the 4 point objective. We're dealing here with sexual predators who have been entrenched for decades if not for centuries. The only way to defeat them and regain control of the church is to implement "copper sunday" and keep it in place until full compliance with the objectives is realized.
show your displeasure with the current inaction of the US Catholic Cardinals and US bishops
What about the pope?
posted on 04/26/2002 7:13:20 PM PDT
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Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. You may be right.
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Even if you are in a good diocese it is worth making the point.
You can always take/mail your weekly contribution during the week.
I'll be out of country on May 19th, but I'll give lots of green stuff anyway.
I'm not sure that would send a message by itself. Some church officials would find other excuses for the decrease in contributions.
I would think that a note or message written on a piece of paper the size of a cheque would send a better message and assure that it would be read.
However please remember that much of the money donated goes to good and worthy causes and these should not be ignored. Give freely to the Society of Saint Vincent dePaul or another great charity.
posted on 04/26/2002 7:20:07 PM PDT
PING.........and i'm in
We have to send a message that they hear, we will not stand for corruption in the Church.
A note and a penny is not a bad idea. Giving generously to honorable Catholic ministries is always on target.
My youngest daughter lives in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee and has a "gay-friendly" parish priest. She sends her tithes to Priests for Life and to EWTN.
To: history_matters; kimosabe31
I think that kimsabe31 is right that this should continue until the abuses end and the RCC has righted itself. As you can probably tell by my use of terms im not RC, but I wish it well and want it returned to respectability.
posted on 04/26/2002 7:35:05 PM PDT
To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Thanks for the ping. Someone needs to put this in the form of a clear, concise and pithy e-mail. If we all of us concenred Freepers forwarded it to our Catholic friends, this will be very, very big by May 19.
To: IM2Phat4U; history_matters
With h-m's permission, I think the Catholic Family Association of America
just might adopt this as a project. We have a large email list already, and I think its worth pursuing. I already emailed it to Tim for his consideration.
To: Dr. Brian Kopp; IM2Phat4U
Please do with it whatever you can. If someone can put it into a better e-mail form for all of us to use, that would be excellent.
I'm not Catholic, but it sure is a good idea.
Nothing like a little monetary shortfall to get their attention
I hope it works.
posted on 04/26/2002 8:04:20 PM PDT
To: history_matters; Dr. Brian Kopp
I think this is great. There is a certain style and format that goes into those e-mails that folks love to forward and forward and forward. I hope the Doctor will give it a shot.
Copper Sunday makes cents to me. (I'm sorry, I never could pass up a truly juvenile play on words)
I do sincerely agree that it is a good idea.
posted on 04/26/2002 8:14:41 PM PDT
I have just received a request from my Pastor to donate to Catholic Charities and I will send the request back to the Bishop with a notation.
My note will read," we will redirect our donations to other charities until trust is restored, get rid of the perverts and criminals from our Church". I will also follow your suggestion of "Copper Sunday".
posted on 04/26/2002 8:25:20 PM PDT
Bump. Please let me know when the 'pithy' email is written. I've got some people who should probably get one. This is an idea that could really balloon.
Count me in for "Copper Sunday". I'll give my donation that week to the beautiful nuns who run a soup kitchen in our town.
posted on 04/26/2002 8:32:06 PM PDT
Right - money talks; bs walks.
The thing is, I'll probably be the only one in my parish to do this! They publish the collection amounts each week, and there has been no drop whatsoever.
To: american colleen
You could give the information about Copper Sunday to a local newspaper, and then your neighbors would learn about it.
Amen, until these arrogant asses understand we really mean business and start performing, cut off the "Cash Flow".
Give your donation to some one you can trust and are sure they are not using the money to Pay perverts in retirement.
Let the bishop know what you have decided to do with your donations and Why! If he don't like it all he has to do is do his Job the right way!
posted on 04/26/2002 8:48:13 PM PDT
1PE 1:18-19 - "For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect."
To: Fury; notwithstanding
Gladly.....will mail this to everyone in my address book. BTTT
posted on 04/26/2002 11:51:26 PM PDT
I am sorry. I support all the causes above, but I can't withhold my tithe to my church. Ours is a very poor parish of mostly immigrants, with only a handful of people contributing to the collection. Majority of the people are Latinos who seem to be "transient" parishioners (who claim to belong to other parishes but come to our church only to visit with friends and relatives) and are not regular contributors.
We have a well-loved pastor. He's from Nicaragua but educated as a physician in the U.S. and he's trying his very best to energize his fellow Latinos to contribute. Our pastor is prayerful, conservative, compassionate, and hardworking, and has a lot of charitable projects even for a parish our size. We minister to the sick and the dying, the day laborers, out-of-school youths, and working class families, and even to non-Catholics. We need all the financial help we can get.
I will continue praying for the clergy in the U.S. What's happening to our Church in the U.S. is so distressing but I trust that Our Lord Jesus Christ will make known His plans for us and accomplish it. Our God does work in mysterious ways! The good God is very good! He will not allow His Church to be victimized by evil, as He promised.
I wish you the best on this project. I hope it works. But I am sorry, I can't go with you on this.
Peace and all good.
posted on 04/27/2002 1:54:44 AM PDT
Perhaps you can contribute directly to the causes sponsored by your parish, but still withhold on Sunday as a protest against the Episcopates lack of will in dealing with a great evil.
Your money would then stay within your parish and a message would be received by the local bishop. Your priest may be able to lead you in a way to still help the parish and the poor while making sure the message is received by those that need to hear it.
posted on 04/27/2002 2:13:56 AM PDT
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I will be a May 19th 'copper' participant. I will send my contribution to:
His Holiness Pope John Paul II
The Apostolic Palace
La Santa Sede
00120 Vatican City
With my contribution, I will include the news story Church uncovers file on Shanley NAMBLA activity and an attachment of the encouragement and support unrepentant sodimites and lesbians are receiving from Cleveland's Bishop Pilla ( Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry Catholic Diocese of Cleveland) in addition to similar support the sodimites are getting within the San Francisco Bay Area.
I will inform the Holy Father I can not in good conscience encourage, through my financially support of the diocese and the American Roman Catholic Church, unrepentant sodimite and lesbian low-life degenerate sinners.
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I will further remind the Holy Father it is these degenerates that are attacking the sanctity of the family, seeking to have government endorse lesbian and sodimite parenting of children, and receiving the Holy Sacraments while flaunting their sin in the His House.
"I think the strategy is great but it's wishful thinking to suppose that a single "copper sunday" will achieve the 4 point objective. We're dealing here with sexual predators who have been entrenched for decades if not for centuries. The only way to defeat them and regain control of the church is to implement "copper sunday" and keep it in place until full compliance with the objectives is realized."
YES!!! It could take a repeat or 3 or 4 until the folks in the hierarchy wake up...the Copper Sunday is an alarm clock with a 7 day interval on the snooze button...they will hit the snooze before really waking up. It is important to repeat the Copper Sunday as necessary until a definitive statement comes out. Then we can put into the collection basket all that we have withheld.
To: Robert Drobot
I will further remind the Holy Father it is these degenerates that are attacking the sanctity of the family,
Don't forget to mention that those who practice artificial forms of birth control are also attacking the sanctity of the family. They too are degenerates.
posted on 04/27/2002 4:10:25 AM PDT
To: Domestic Church
Cardinal Bevilacqua just mandated one strike and you are out, no buts about it, for the Philadelhia Archdiocese!!!! He's not waiting for the others..God Bless him for his iron spine.
I'm going to write a check in the amount I usually do, then write the word VOID across it in big, fat, bold letters, and tape a penny to it. If the Catholic Family Association of America adopts the idea and publishes it, I will also enclose their article in the envelope. That's my idea anyway, but it will feel strange to do this.
posted on 04/27/2002 5:49:01 AM PDT
Here in Arlington Diocese, our Bishop didn't need to get the word. I understand that Lincoln's Bishop Bruskewitz & Denver's Bishop Chaput run their dioceses the same way. Though Chaput may have altar girls, I'm not sure. Arlington & Lincoln sure don't.
I hope people in dioceses with a problem (vast understatement) do redirect donations, then when they have the big Bishop's Conference in June, Loverde, Bruskewitz & Chaput can say "Gee, people aren't supporting YOU? WE don't seem to have a problem."
If "Copper Sunday" is just done across the board, in every parish in every diocese regardless of priest or bishop activity, that looks more like a lack of support for the Church in general than a lack of support for a particular Millstone-award candidate.
posted on 04/27/2002 5:59:44 AM PDT
There is a current group in Wellesly called VOTF voice of the faithful who are attempting to set up an alternate way of donating to charities you choose instead of directly to the church you may belong to.
Check them out at www.votf.org.
These guys in the hierarchy will only understand when the money stops and they have to give up their opulent lifestyle, NOT BEFORE!
posted on 04/27/2002 6:38:09 AM PDT
Yes, that could be the misinterpretation. In such a case I would recommend a note with the penny in an envelope.
You could then direct your offering to a ministry in your parish or simply deliver your Sunday offering to the parish office during the week and still place the penny with a note in the collection basket.
I understand your situation. Perhaps you and your parish could write your bishop a letter stating the four concerns and asking for his involvement to create a solution that honors Christ and sustains His Church.
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