Posted on 05/05/2002 6:52:36 AM PDT by Seeking the truth
A suspicious coincidence.
Now, now.
Nobody knows exactly who killed Gerald and nobody knows exactly why. (Silly "supergun" speculation aside...)
Mark W.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!:O)
Yup. "Purity" it is called in the "X-Files"...
Second that.
IS THIS TRUE!!!?????
OMG! Things are FAR WORSE than I thought.
Heading for the shower...
I received my MBA back in 1977 and have not physically done the math in quite a few years but I understand the stats, having taken numerous courses at the under, post and doctoral level.
At face value, it warrented a raised eyebrow.
Thanks for putting a number on it.
IMHO
:-)
:-(
Let me see the death rate and causes for other ex-microbiologists.
We do have that information. The actuarial data for life insurance, and more specifically the morbidity data, would tell us whether microbiologists are at a significantly, insurable, higher risk of death than the general population. I cannot find any evidence that this is the case by conducting a web search; someone please point me to the data if there is evidence for the opposite. Note that I take insurability as a sufficient filter for patterns that rise above background noise; you are free to disagree, but then the onus of proving how insurance companies can base a business model around such a statistical model falls upon you.
On 5/5/02 11:02 AM Pacific, The Great Satan said:
The problem is that no adjustment is made for the vast array of equally improbable and retrospectively striking coincidences that could occur in the universe of observables.
The climatic conditions that affect Portland, Maine weather and subsequent chances of hurricane weather developing there are relatively unique to that city. This is not to say that coincidence is possible: that's why we are talking probabilities. Dismissing the prima facie facts on the ground with the statistical equivalent of hand waving by saying "there is a ton of coincidences that could happen in this universe" without listing the possible coincidences and attempting to quantify them, when presented with a quantified estimate, does not bolster a refutation of the estimate.
The source article and a simple web search will give plenty of details of the circumstances surrounding each of the deaths, and provide plenty of data points to fill the "vast array of equally improbable and retrospectively striking coincidences that could occur in the universe of observables". If the observable event space that could affect this situation is as large as you claim, it should be easy to construct the apparent coincidental event space after the deaths have occurred. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm just asking you to provide a more analytically rigorous rebuttal. I'm more than willing to admit the estimation is incorrect and learn from this; this is how we advance ourselves.
On 5/5/02 11:27 AM Pacific, Nogbad said:
Just goes to show statistics can be used to prove or disprove anything.
Please see my response to The Great Satan above. Again, I'm willing to concede that the estimation is incorrect, if someone provides an equally quantified statistical analysis that refutes the estimation. The mathematical equivalent of blustering and rhetorical platitudes however, are hardly persuasive against objectively constructed analysis.
On 5/5/02 2:19 PM Pacific, Seeking the truth said:
Thanks for putting a number on it.
On 5/5/02 2:19 PM Pacific, Mad_Tom_Rackham said:
Good Job! You've explained it very well.
All credit is due to the original poster and analyst on Slashdot, I'm merely relaying what I read, and defending its applicability until shown data or an objective and equally quantified analysis that indicates otherwise.
You fail to address my point. There might be a hundred cities in the world with similar, low probabilities of being passed by a major hurricane. 0.3% x 100 = 30% annual probability that one will be affected. It would be illogical, after the fact, to be surprised that any particular member of that set had been affected. Now, if you predicted that Portland, Maine, specifically, would be affected this year, and this came to pass, it would be impressive. But retrospectively, it doesn't mean a damn thing, because you get to pick which "coincidences" to get excited about.
With the exception of Al Gore and the Florida Incident,I don't lean towards conspiracies,but this is really odd to me.It's too bad they were all "Experts" in their field and died at this time in our History.Like Robert Plant said:"and it makes me wonder..." I would appreciate a picture of that guy wedged (?) under a chair.You see, that's a little vague, and I'm having trouble envisioning that one.LOL
From your link, two tenths of one percent is about the same probability as a flush in five card stud, or four of a kind in seven card stud, much less likely events.
I'm not sure I buy your .2% conclusion, though. You're assuming these are "all causes, less medical causes". It appears that some or all of these deaths are unusual - beaten in a parking lot, dizzy and fell, stabbed, airlock filled with nitrogen, head bashed in, naked and wedged, homicide/suicide shooting.
Heck, what are the odds that 8 of 11 deaths chosen at random would have this pattern of unusual deaths? Note, we are giving the benefit of the doubt to deaths from stroke, road accident and plane, which ain't necessarily so.
Finally, these deaths may not be directly significant - an attempt to eliminate key microbiologists. These people may have known too much. Alternatively, there could be a campaign to intimidate the rest of them.
. . .whatever is happening here; and do not think it is just synchronicity. . .seems there could be a desire to slow down scientific inquiry and it's results, in a scientific field, that may find many of us left standing in. . .
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