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Against Depression, a Sugar Pill Is Hard to Beat
Washington Post ^ | May 7, 2002 | Shankar Vedantam

Posted on 05/07/2002 8:48:34 AM PDT by liberallarry

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: DallasMike
it's very naive and not at all Biblical.

I am a very simple and naive man. But, as for not biblical, well my being naive and simple does not make me a buffon or fool, and the Lord Himself tells us that unless a man is born again, he will not see the inside of heaven. Paul, Peter, James and John make it very clear that to be born again, one must have his or her sins washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb, hence: A Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian.

But, if you can refute me using Scripture, go for it, I am always open to being corrected through the use of Scripture, Scripture.

As for the good samaritan, well, remeber, he did not have the option of being a Born Again Washed in the Blood of the Lamb Christian, for the Lord had not sacrificed Himself for us at that time, but what about you? Have you availed yourself of the cleansing power of the Blood of the Lamb? Have you read the word of God? Do you know the differance between the word of God and the Word of God? Are you Saved? Do you know what Saved means?
Alas

41 posted on 05/08/2002 3:59:22 AM PDT by Alas
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To: Sam Cree
I think that might be a personal condition. I know that my wife, along with just about every other woman these days, turns to chocolate during times of stress and anxiety, and it seems to really help her. I don't have a sweet tooth personally but when I get stressed out there are comfort foods that I tend to eat, and I usually feel better afterwards, too, at least for a little while. My problems aren't gone but my sense of well-being has been shored up.
42 posted on 05/08/2002 4:02:09 AM PDT by flyervet
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To: Sam Cree
RE: Post #7

Your comments are worth noting. I agree with you. BTW, in Biblical days, there was no such thing as processed sugar as we know it. And they did not have tooth decay like we do now.

43 posted on 05/08/2002 4:14:54 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: liberallarry
Patients with similar symptoms, he explained, may have different problems with their brain chemistry. Scientists don't understand the neural mechanisms of depression -- or why medicines like Prozac and Paxil work.

Bad philosophy results in bad science. The human soul cannot be reduced to the body and the human mind cannot be reduced to the brain. Depression can be a spiritual problem, a physical problem or a combination of both.

44 posted on 05/08/2002 4:22:57 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: DallasMike
RE:Post #15

The Word of God motivated and compelled the Samaritan to help the injured man. "Alas" is corrrect.

45 posted on 05/08/2002 4:25:12 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: liberallarry
At times the weight is too much and I scream out, wanting so much to grab something, anything,

and smash it.........then I go ahead and take the trash out like she asked me to.

46 posted on 05/08/2002 4:32:47 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: hopespringseternal
I am aware that spook-docs are MD's, as am I. They have turned into pill pushers in the last 15 years because the insurance industry has pushed them that way. They could not possibly pay they bills just talking to six or seven patients a day for an hour each. It's in and out in 15 minutes and on to the next nutcase. The consumer can thank manage care for that. You wanted it you got it Toyota.
47 posted on 05/08/2002 5:42:55 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: CWRWinger
That is about the dumbest post I ever heard. The average life-expectancy was 45 just one hundred years ago. Most people who did make it to fifty had no problems with dental caries BECAUSE THEY HAD NO TEETH LEFT. You really should try to check facts before you type. Stop by Mt. Vernon sometime and check out Washingtons nice dentures. Research history of the western settlement. Most towns had their first dentist before they had their first doctor (not counting the barber).
48 posted on 05/08/2002 5:47:24 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999
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To: Alas
HaHa, Thanks
49 posted on 05/08/2002 6:02:33 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: flyervet
"that my wife, along with just about every other woman these days, turns to chocolate"

My wife adores chocolate also and hits it harder when she's worried. She doesn't get fat, though.

50 posted on 05/08/2002 6:07:14 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: WilliamWallace1999
And were not those days of caries when a favorite quote was:

'Every one is nuts except thou and me, and sometimes I have my doubts about thee?'

51 posted on 05/08/2002 6:18:53 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: CWRWinger
"BTW, in Biblical days, there was no such thing as processed sugar as we know it.

It seems like for most of humanities existence, we did with very little sugar and probably not much starch, either since bread wasn't invented until the advent of civilization.

The implication is that all that stuff isn't too good for us.

52 posted on 05/08/2002 6:20:21 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
You are welcome. Christ gives us Honey, satan gives up abortion. I prefer the living baby and honey. And as for satan, well he can just go to hell.
53 posted on 05/08/2002 6:23:44 AM PDT by Alas
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To: WilliamWallace1999
. They have turned into pill pushers in the last 15 years because the insurance industry has pushed them that way.

Also the patients themselves push them that way. You see people believing that a little pill will cure everything. Mothers bring children in with a virus and demand some kind of antibiotic, if a doctor did the right thing, prescribed a healthy diet and one hour of exercise a day, he'd lose most of his patients.

54 posted on 05/08/2002 6:24:04 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: a history buff
Some observers assert that the medicines themselves work because of the placebo effect, but most psychiatrists believe the drugs do have an effect of their own. Drugs are a "placebo-plus" treatment, said Helen Mayberg, head of neuropsychiatry at the Rotman Research Institute at the University of Toronto.

In a study published last week in the American Journal of Psychiatry, Mayberg evaluated brain changes during trials using a sophisticated brain imaging technique.

Of course she would say that.  Her study was funded by Eli Lilly.  She got unexpected results, then spends half of her report trying to explain them away.  What's amazing is that this study even got published, since drug companies often write contracts with researchers that preclude them from publishing stuff that's negative for the company.

I get a big kick out of psychiatric drug proponents praising the state of mental health science and preaching to me about MY biases.

FYI, here's the cite for the AJP article: 

Mayberg, H. et al., "The Functional Neuroanatomy of the Placebo Effect," American Journal of Psychiatry, 159:728-737, May 2002

55 posted on 05/08/2002 9:50:18 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: Amore
I find it amusing that you indicate you have "first-hand experience", and then accuse ME of bias. The facts here are plain:

1. Recently: A new analysis has found that in the majority of trials conducted by drug companies in recent decades, sugar pills have done as well as -- or better than -- antidepressants.

2. Prior to this new analysis: The makers of Prozac had to run five trials to obtain two that were positive, and the makers of Paxil and Zoloft had to run even more. (note that these trials were prior to, and therefore independent of, the "new analysis")

3. We have, therefore, both the new analysis AND the fact that the majority of the trials (3 out of 5) show the placebo to be more effective.

4. Against this scientific research you want to present your "first-hand experience", which is totally subjective, to prove the drugs really work.

5. I have consistently appealed to the results of the research - the latest analysis as well as the trials run by the drug companies themselves. You have consistently appealed to "first-hand experience" and what you believe to be true in spite of the research.

6. You then accuse me of bias. That's almost too absurd for a good laugh.

56 posted on 05/08/2002 11:18:02 AM PDT by watchin
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To: flyervet
I think that might be a personal condition

I do think that I tend to be high strung. However, on thinking it over, I am still fairly sure that sugar raises anxiety in general and makes everyone a little hyper. Just look at how small children go crazy when they get too much soda or candy. Considering the amount of sugar in the modern Western diet, you'd think that removing it might actually have a beneficial effect on all the anti social, weird and criminal behavior that goes on. Then, perhaps, the liberals would have less of an excuse to keep ramming their totalitarian ideas down our throats...

Our founders considered that a free country would not be successful without a "virtuous people." There were no coke machines in colonial days and sugar consumption is known to have been drastically less. Could this have contributed to the greater personal responsibility that existed in the dawn of America?

57 posted on 05/08/2002 11:19:37 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: watchin
Oh, I'll grant that anecdotal experience is given little credence by researchers. But to the person who experiences it, it is quite valid. I've been on antidepressants that haven't worked at all, I've been on placebos that haven't worked at all, and I've been on antidepressants that have worked. Unlike you, I can see both sides of the issue. Do I think your research has some validity? Absolutely. But do I buy your ultimate conclusion that the drugs are all bogus and a huge rip-off? No. I thank God that at least so far our government gives us the right to make our own decisions on the matter. I hope no one like you ever gets in charge and decides that all of us "suckers" need to be protected from ourselves.
58 posted on 05/08/2002 12:09:47 PM PDT by Amore
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To: Alas;CWRWinger
Yes, I am saved and well-steeped in God's word. but what does that have to do with whether medications can help conditions like depression? People get diseases in the brain just like they do in other parts of the body. Do you think that Ronald Reagan needs to read the Bible more to cure himself of Alzheimer's?

James 2:15-16 says that "If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,' and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?" You don't think that we should withold medication from someone who needs it, do you?

Not every answer is in scripture. You wouldn't consult the Bible when you need to change the spark plugs in your call, and you probably wouldn't call the local Baptist church when your hard drive crashes.

59 posted on 05/08/2002 5:12:18 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: liberallarry
It's Voodoo. Zombie stuff. Lock of hair, please.
60 posted on 05/08/2002 5:16:22 PM PDT by apochromat
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