Skip to comments.Fatwa - Has Western Civilization Brought Any Comfort?
Posted on 05/12/2002 4:36:06 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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Yes, that better reality is really working. Suicide bombers, starving kids, women in burqas -- a regular reality paradise, ain't it?
America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
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Prior to September 11's clear demontration of you Muslims being unable to control the very worst of human nature within your ranks, Western Civilization brought us the comfort of knowing that we lived in a society where large, organized, well-financed groups of psychotic fanatics did not assault us with mass destruction on our own soil.
Since then, it has brought us the comfort of knowing that one way or another, we will wipe out the threat that your religion poses to the world. If push comes to shove and we are forced, we have the comfort of knowing that you will lose -- as you should. You barbarian.
The West, or the universal civilization it leads, is emotionally rejected. It undermines; it threatens. But at the same time it is needed, for its machines, goods, medicines, warplanes, the remittances from the emigrants, the hospitals that might have a cure for calcium deficiency, the universities that will provide master's degrees in mass media. All the rejection of the West is contained within the assumption that there will always exist out there a living, creative civilization, oddly neutral, open to all to appeal to. Rejection, therefore, is not absolute rejection. It is also, for the community as a whole, a way of ceasing to strive intellectually. It is to be parasitic; parasitism is one of the unacknowledged fruits of fundamentalism. And the emigrants pour out from the land of the faith: thirty thousand Pakistanis shipped by the manpower-export experts to West Berlin alone, to claim the political asylum meant for the people of East Germany.
The patron saint of the Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan was Maulana Maudoodi. He opposed the idea of a separate Indian Muslim state because he felt that the Muslims were not pure enough for such a state. He felt that God should be the lawgiver; and, offering ecstasy of this sort rather than a practical programme, he became the focus of millenarian passion. He campaigned for Islamic laws without stating what those laws should be.
He died while I was in Pakistan. But he didn't die in Pakistan: the news of his death came from Boston. At the end of his long and cantankerous life the maulana had gone against all his high principles. He had gone to a Boston hospital to look for health: he had at the very end entrusted himself to the skill and science of the civilization he had tried to shield his followers from. He had sought, as someone said to me (not all Pakistanis are fundamentalists), to reap where he had not wanted his people to sow. Of the maulana it might be said that he had gone to his well-deserved place in heaven by way of Boston; and that he went at least part of the way by Boeing.
-- V.S. Naipaul, Among the Believers: An Islamic Journey.
I think you are absolutely right, Mr. Al-Qaradawi.
Please advise all your co-religionist who feel the same way about Western Civilization as you do to pack up and return the country of their birth so that they will no longer suffer the woes of having to live amongst us Westerners.
And with what do these monkeys use to get oil out of the ground? Divining rods?
The well-known American psychologist Dr. Henry Link writes: Science does not have remedies for complicated life problems. Science is not the source of happiness, for more scientific advancement means more complicated life. Unless these free sciences are unified and placed in the frame of clear facts of life, they will inevitably lead to decay in minds and total collapse. It is faith only that can play this important role.
The lack of any faith and morality in our societies is a most destructive thing. What to do about it puzzles me - I am inclined to say that education must become more conservative, in the sense of requiring people to learn of the most elevated aspects of human culture.
These misguided, benighted people need missionaries more than they need anything else.
The sequel to this book (pub. ~1997) is also good though it has some dead chapters ... VS is getting on in years. But then.......check this out....
Naipaul lets rip at 'banality' of Indian women writers
Nobel prize winner's short fuse explodes during debate on colonialism and gender oppression
Fiachra Gibbons, arts correspondent
Friday February 22, 2002
Two of India's leading women writers were yesterday taught a very tough lesson. You must never, ever bore VS Naipaul with trifling matters such as colonialism or the enslavement of your sex.
Sir Vidia, in the land of his ancestors to celebrate his Nobel prize for literature, cut loose after listening to Shashi Deshpande and Nayantara Sehgal - a niece of Nehru, India's first prime minister - debate how gender oppression had affected their work.
As the pair moved on to talk about the harmful influence of English on Indian literature, Naipaul's famously short fuse exploded: "Banality irritates me. My life is short. I can't listen to banality. This thing about colonialism, this thing about gender oppression, the very word oppression wearies me," the 69-year-old Trinidad-born author told a literary festival held to honour him south of New Delhi.
"If writers talk about oppression, they don't do much writing. Fifty years have gone by. What colonialism are you talking about?"
Amid uproar and with Naipaul apparently shaking with fury, the writer and film-maker Ruchir Joshi shouted, "You're being obnoxious!"
The situation was pacified by the poet and novelist Vikram Seth, who allowed Deshpande to reply to his tirade. "What does not affect anybody would be banal to them," she said. "When I was listening to this talk about the anguish of the exile, I was really cool about it," she added in a pointed reference to Naipaul's life in England.
This was not the first - or is it likely to be the last - time that Naipaul's temper or his sharp tongue have got the better of him. His love-hate relationship with India, the land of his fathers, has been trying for both parties.
Many Indians have never forgiven him for the fierce candour of his books about the subcontinent, An Area Of Darkness, and India: A Wounded Civilisation. It did not help that days after becoming a Nobel laureate in October he said no one in India had been intellectual enough to understand the books when they were first published.
He followed that up by railing against the "calamitous effect of Islam on its subject peoples - it was much worse than colonialism", and further outraged liberal Indians by seeming to throw in his lot with the Hindu nationalists of the BJP.
"Islam destroyed India," he said. "There is this ill-informed idea that it was the British, in the short time that they were there, that ruined and defaced all those temples you see. The bitter fact is that the people of India were ill-equipped to face the organised military power of Islam and were destroyed by it.
"The intellectual life of India, the Sanskrit culture, stops at 1000AD. Islam was the greatest calamity that befell it. Now people think only the Muslims built anything but what they brought was a slave culture that lasted in some parts of India until almost the other day.
"To be a Muslim you have to destroy your history, to stamp on your ancestral culture. The sands of Arabia is all that matters. This abolition of the self is worse than the colonial abolition, much worse."
Naipaul said he was not troubled by the way the BJP had appropriated his writing, particularly Among the Believers and Beyond Belief, which were damning about Islam. "I am very glad, I think it is the beginning of self-awareness [in India] which is the beginning of an intellectual life."
Someone whose society is devoted to buggery and slaughter, repression and ignorance, the maiming of their daughters and the dynamiting of their sons is probably not going to bring much to the discussion.
Ain't the West the pits ?
Geez, where do you start? But since he's whining about spiritual matters, I'd say the Judeo/Chistian ethic of Western civilization has made for some pretty content people.
No, science can bring happiness to man in a way religion cannot. Science pulls the wool from man's eyes and empowers him to objectively observe the world, to come to his own conclusions and to assert himself as an independent political being. Science grants freedom because it and its economic offspring, Capitalism, tears apart the old power structures and creates the foundation for a world order based on individualism, freedom and political equality for all people. Religion is the exact opposite of that.
One of the great paradoxes of Western Civilization and it's ability for technological advancement is based on secularism and a separation of the divine from the scientific while at the same time embracing the religious as a spiritual necessity for human existence.
Another great partadox is that while Capitalism can exist in a tryrannical or dictatorial setting, democracy and individual liberty cannot exist without it.
What made possible the explosion of the scientific age in Western Civilization was the separation of secular matters and pursuits from the shackles and constraints imposed by the Church in our daily lives. This was the period known as the Renaissance and the Reformation.
Other civilizations have always felt more comfortable in the changeless certainty of backwardness. It is for that reason that they are backward and no excuse will suffice to explain it until they too go through their renaissance and period of scientific discovery and inquiry.
Man and civilizations advance only when there are those willing to question the world around them and take nothing for granted, including authority.
Until there is a major secular movement in Islam they will remain in the 10th century culturally and no more advanced than are the cultures of Canibalism and headhunters.
It is well to remember that Arab culture was on the rise when Islam came onto the scene. It was Arab culture NOT "islamic" culture that was responsible for algebra. It was "Arab" culture" NOT "Islamic" culture that contributed to the most advanced medicine of the age. As Islam became more prevalent and intrusive into the daily lives it precipitated the retardation of all the cultures it came into contact with. It literaly froze these cultures in the period in which Ilsam first impacted.
Any competent student of the history of the creation of the United States, its government, its society, and its economy, knows that the spiritual roots or our society run deep, and for most of us, still run strong. As FRanklin and others observed, our government "is suitable for a virtuous people, and will not serve any other."
Our material success is not the end product of ourcivilization, but only a byproduct of our having made the right choices, religiously and ethically, at the beginning. One of those choices is religious tolerance, a concept that is essential to any society of many faiths and influences. It is also a totally unknown concept in the backward societies of the Muslim world.
Arguing with people who write, and apparently believe, tripe like this, is utterly futile. One might as well argue with a member of the Flat Earth Society about the roundness of the Earth. Some such people are capable of getting a clue, such as when Christopher Columbus sailed to America and DID NOT FALL OF THE EDGE OF THE EARTH. Others, however, will remain dumb as a doorstop for the balance of their natural lives.
With the writer of this twaddle, I'm betting on dumb as a doorstop. And as for the values of Muslim "civilization," when your leading thinkers are dumb as a doorstop, it cannot but be headed down the toilet of history, to put not too fine a point on it.
Yet these self same people who claim such spiritual superiority show their disdain for God every day by destroying his creations through murder and suicide. This would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
This arrogant *** doesn't know the first thing about this country.
Much like sadism /masochism and other sexual dynamics write large onto crazed Muslim Jihads
That is the only reason I want us to support Israel.