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Train Derails Over Calif. Cliff
(AP) ^

Posted on 05/12/2002 8:16:53 PM PDT by Dallas

COLFAX, Calif. --

A train carrying non-hazardous chemicals derailed in northeast California and was partially suspended over a steep cliff Sunday night.

One of the train's 73 cars hung over a drop known as China Wall in a rural area away from people and homes, said Placer County Sheriff's Captain Rick Armstrong. No one was injured and authorities said the rail car was not in danger of falling.

One of the six cars that derailed contained non-hazardous byproducts and two were carrying an ammonia sulfate powder that is not dangerous by itself, Armstrong said.

The Burlington Northern & Santa Fe train was heading east when it derailed at about 2:30 p.m., said Michael Furtney, a spokesman for Union Pacific, which owns the tracks.

The California Forestry Department dispatched hazardous materials crews to the site, northeast of Sacramento.

"We've got people out there on the scene trying to secure all the cars and make sure none of them are leaking," Furtney said. "Given the location, it's fairly tricky."

Passengers on Amtrak's California Zephyr, bound for Emeryville from Chicago, were taken away on buses to continue their journey, said Tom Gambrel of Amtrak.

The voicemail box for a Burlington Northern spokeswoman was full Sunday.

The cause of the derailment was under investigation.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: derailment; railroads; railways; trains
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1 posted on 05/12/2002 8:16:54 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas
Sure have been a lot of train mishaps lately, but I am sure they are all unrelated..............!
2 posted on 05/12/2002 8:24:32 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
"Sure have been a lot of train mishaps lately, but I am sure they are all unrelated..............!"

Actually they are all related. They are all related to Federal regulation of the Rail industry, and the consequent mis-management that this causes.

3 posted on 05/12/2002 8:31:13 PM PDT by monday
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To: ladyinred
Who is John Galt?
4 posted on 05/12/2002 8:39:10 PM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: ladyinred
So many unrelated isolated incidences involving train accidents! They are piling up like derailed box cars. You don't suppose ..... ............. ...................... ....................... ........................ ............................ ............................................ ???
5 posted on 05/12/2002 8:41:41 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: willie green
,,, off the rails BUMP.
6 posted on 05/12/2002 8:46:14 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
Thanks!
7 posted on 05/12/2002 8:47:50 PM PDT by vikingchick
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To: Cascadians
Just another isolated incident, we know the routine. The front is on the homeland. The American public is being kept in the dark.

The continued coverups are treason.

America needs to know the truth so they can uniformily support declarative measures for WAR!
8 posted on 05/12/2002 8:50:27 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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To: Cascadians
Its Spring, areas such as in the mountains sometimes face weakening roadbeds from runoff and the inability to do major trackwork over the winter. Happens every year, and derailments happen every day. But previously hardly any received attention. Also add in deferred maintenance by the railroads because of the economy. There was a washout this morning in Missouri from Spring floods. Gonna blame that, too, on terrorism?
9 posted on 05/12/2002 8:51:44 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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"I'm going off the rails on a crazy train!"

This derailment obviously can be blamed on Ozzy Osbourne....

10 posted on 05/12/2002 8:53:39 PM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Diddle E. Squat
No, you're right, it's ....... the WEATHER!
11 posted on 05/12/2002 8:53:42 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: Soul Citizen
Oh slap yourself and quit being a chicken little. I worked in the railroad industry, and can assure you that these accidents happen all the time, long before Osama was even born.

Here's a prediction: tomorrow the sun will rise in the east and set in the west. Guaranteed, so be prepared. And don't fall to the ground and worship me when it happens.

12 posted on 05/12/2002 8:53:59 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Soul Citizen
Yeah! And what about all the car accidents lately, and homes and businesses catching fire, and people drowning, and falling down stairs, and paper cuts, and......
13 posted on 05/12/2002 8:57:49 PM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Wise Diddle! Go slap your Diddle to get your mind off the news ... everybody has their coping technique, sounds like yours works for you ;^}
14 posted on 05/12/2002 9:00:09 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: Cascadians
Whatever, ignore the facts and logical explanations if the inconveniently don't fit your paranoia.

Still dining on all that leftover Y2K spam and bottled water?

15 posted on 05/12/2002 9:03:01 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Cascadians
OBTW, care to explain why a terrorist would derail a train in the unpopulated middle of nowhere, when hazmat trains pass through some of the densest portions of almost every major city?
16 posted on 05/12/2002 9:05:03 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"Oh slap yourself and quit being a chicken little."

Oh wise Diddle! No pleasing you! Weather, Diddle-slapping, no adaptation of your attitude suffices!

17 posted on 05/12/2002 9:05:31 PM PDT by Cascadians
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To: CatoRenasci
Largest Russian Rocket Hangar Collapses
19 posted on 05/12/2002 9:29:27 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: Dallas
I'm going to take a shower. Keep me posted if anything new happens.
20 posted on 05/12/2002 9:34:10 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: monday
"They are all related to Federal regulation of the Rail industry, and the consequent mis-management that this causes."

This is a common misnomer, with regard to r/r disfunction. I have worked in the railroad industry for 23 years, and i would love more than anything else to blame the feds for this....

But...

The true reason is that the cost of replacing and repairing our current infrastructure is so high, that our rail system limps along on a wing and a prayer. This is economics, pure and simple.

Most r/r's are so close to border line broke, that they can't in most cases afford to keep their infrastructures in pristine condition.

The lawsuits from car hitting train accidents all have payoffs to the lawbreakers that are usually always staggeringly in the millions of dollars.

The solution? For the life of me, I can't think of one, that is why the "great" European rail systems are completely socialized, having the governments paying for everything...not a workable solution here in this country.

By the way...I am not a Federal employee!!

21 posted on 05/12/2002 9:41:11 PM PDT by kevin
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To: dogbyte12
LOL...Cool...keep the shower movement alive!!
22 posted on 05/12/2002 9:42:44 PM PDT by kevin
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To: Dallas
Thanks for keeping us posted regarding this "cliffhanger".

(OK, I've now banished myself to the corner. :-)

23 posted on 05/12/2002 9:51:43 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Dallas
This is a headline that sounds much worse than the story.
24 posted on 05/12/2002 9:51:55 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Sometimes it isn't worth the effort.
25 posted on 05/12/2002 9:53:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: monday
I'll bet the rail industry wishes they were subsidized to the extent the trucking industry is. If taxpayer dollars went to keeping up the rails there would certainly be a lot less trucks on the road and more extensive use of the rails.

Trucking companies always brag on the back of their trucks how much in taxes they pay. The truth is that that amount doesn't even begin to pay for the damage they do to the roads.

26 posted on 05/12/2002 10:08:07 PM PDT by Rockitz
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To: kevin
See post #26 for some affirmation of the rail industries' plight.
27 posted on 05/12/2002 10:10:43 PM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Dallas
Passengers on Amtrak's California Zephyr, bound for Emeryville from Chicago, were taken away on buses to continue their journey,

I once rode in a dome car of the (Western Pacific's) California Zephyr through the beautiful Feather River Canyon BEFORE the Oroville dam was built....My dad worked for Western Pacific RR.

28 posted on 05/12/2002 10:20:25 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Diddle E. Squat;kevin
An article I read on FR this morning was saying a train wreck in England was caused by someone removing bolts from the points on the track.Sabotaged with some difficulty according to the article.

What are the points on a track?

29 posted on 05/12/2002 10:22:01 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Diddle E. Squat
As a railroad employee, why do you think the media is all of this sudden deciding to cover derailments and train accidents....both nationally and internationally? It's kinda like the media feeding frenzy over shark attacks in FL last year...
30 posted on 05/12/2002 10:49:30 PM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Free Trapper
The 'points' are the pieces of track at a switch that move to divert the train from one track to another.
31 posted on 05/12/2002 10:53:16 PM PDT by WSGilcrest
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To: monkeyshine
Yeah, it is......

If I'd have read the story before I posted it......I wouldn't have posted it under breaking news.

32 posted on 05/12/2002 11:01:01 PM PDT by Dallas
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To: WSGilcrest
Thanks,I thought so but couldn't remember for sure.

It would take some effort to take the bolts out of one,not the kind of thing to just fall off.;o)

33 posted on 05/12/2002 11:02:53 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Hoosier Patriot
Riding that train
High on cocaine
Casey Jones you better watch your speed
Trouble ahead Lady in red....

I blame the lady in red.
34 posted on 05/12/2002 11:10:46 PM PDT by ganesha
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To: Dallas
73 cars headed East toward Reno. Just saw the news, said the ammonia sulfate (fertilizer) wouldn't be a hazzard but would take a while to clean up. From the photos it looks like the frontend of a boxcar may be poking over the edge a bit but not hanging down a cliff. Appears a left turn was being negotiated and some cars squirted off to the right. Perhaps a rear pusher engine was cranked up a bit too high. Colfax is about 20 min. east of here.

"Well, they gave him his orders at Monroe, Virginia saying 'Steve, you're way behind time',
This is not thirty-eight, but ol' ninety seven, you must get her, in Spencer, on time".....

35 posted on 05/12/2002 11:22:21 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Dallas
A train carrying non-hazardous chemicals

... yeah right... and would they tell us immediately if they WERE hazardous.... would the authorities do ANYTHING right now to alarm the public... LOTSA train accidents... and LOTSA lights on a power substations all over the country, 24-7...

If folks want to believe at least a few of these are genuine accidents... it is their choice... but after a while... we have to consider, this makes for a LOT of derailments, compared to a similar frame of time in most years... I would say the arabs are hoping to get lucky and derail a train with SERIOUS chemicals on board, near a residential area... and soon.

It also appears that they have been relatively unsuccessful to date. I suspect they are trying to learn new job skills... to attack our infrastructures more effectively. Cheifly they would be analyzing our "response teams" and methods...

It's time to open the refugee camps... and prepare muslim sympathisers for deportation to the islamic hell-hole of their choice. America is too big, for the puny muslimaniac religion... it is time for them to go back to eating the sand, and sleeping with the scorpions they apparently inherited their character from.

36 posted on 05/12/2002 11:22:55 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Dallas;MarkWar
On the right track bump.
37 posted on 05/12/2002 11:36:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Bump for lots of common sense.
38 posted on 05/13/2002 12:52:17 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: budwiesest
Are you in Auburn, CA?
39 posted on 05/13/2002 5:35:43 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: Diddle E. Squat
There was a washout this morning in Missouri from Spring floods. Gonna blame that, too, on terrorism?

Cloud seeding from cropdusters? ;-)

40 posted on 05/13/2002 6:22:34 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Are you in Auburn, CA?

Nope, Loomis, but I drive fast ~:^)

41 posted on 05/13/2002 6:47:03 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: ganesha
uh oh, grateful dead-head alert, we *are* everywhere
42 posted on 05/13/2002 7:38:00 AM PDT by dmz
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To: monday
Actually they are all related. They are all related to Federal regulation of the Rail industry, and the consequent mis-management that this causes.

Whether intentionally or not, people like to ignore the fact that there are always train mishaps, and have been many train mishaps over the years. Every month there are mishaps. Just after 9/11, when there is slow news, the media and some individuals like to try and make a normal every-day mishap important. They would rather assign blame to terrorists, rather than the lowest bidder or employee competence.

Much like the sharks last summer. They tried to make it out to be some kind of shark invasion around Florida. I've lived in Florida, and along the gulf coast over the years, the sharks have always been there at various times. Just slow news means the media has to make a mountain out of a molehill for ratings and manipulate those people who are looking for secret conspiraces at every turn.

43 posted on 05/13/2002 8:04:45 AM PDT by texlok
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To: Hoosier Patriot
Yeah! And what about all the car accidents lately, and homes and businesses catching fire, and people drowning, and falling down stairs, and paper cuts, and......

You forgot to mention the sharks along the Florida coast last year, definitely the work of OBL!

44 posted on 05/13/2002 8:05:47 AM PDT by texlok
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To: texlok
Excellent point. I'll bet that there were also some folks down there who stepped on sea urchins that "just happened" to be under their foot too! And what's with all the thunderstorms down there? Hmmm? How many folks were struck by lightning? Act of God my eye! When are the sheep gonna wake up and realize that after 9/11, accidents ceased to exist, and everything under the sun must be blamed on terrorism? Why, it's downright un-american to believe anything else!{;-)
45 posted on 05/13/2002 10:03:54 AM PDT by Hoosier Patriot
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To: Free Trapper
Actually the article I read said that investigators are now looking at sabotage as a POSSIBILITY in that wreck, but not yet claiming it was the cause. If the bolts were purposefully removed, that could be just vandalism, or it could be terrorism. I make the distinction because similar forms of rail sabotage have happened before in our history. I remember one in Arizona about a decade ago, and recall reading of another in California back in the 1950's. Hard to call those two terrorism.

But I won't yet rule it out for the current Britain wreck, nor the gas canister fire in the Milan subway on Saturday. If it involves passengers, then it is always a possibility, but a freight in the middle of nowhere? I'm just reacting to some other people's absolute refusal to consider any logic before concluding that the sky is falling. The same one's on every accident thread, claiming the gov't is covering up to avoid panic.

46 posted on 05/13/2002 10:15:09 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: StriperSniper
Terrorist rain dance!
47 posted on 05/13/2002 10:15:53 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: kevin
I fear I have come in late to these threads - what is meant by showers? It seems like everyone knows but me :-).

D

48 posted on 05/13/2002 10:16:55 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Frances_Marion
Exactamundo on the shark attack comparison.
49 posted on 05/13/2002 10:22:15 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: StriperSniper
Cloud seeding from cropdusters? ;-)

Call me paranoid, but with the Washington, DC area now in its third or fourth tornado watch since Sept. 11 (where before tornadoes were RARE), and one coming exceedingly close and ending up with two deaths at the Univ. of MD, and one ending up in the deadly F-4 in LaPlata, MD, I'm beginning to suspect something else:

HAARP
http://www.conspire.com/haarp.html
ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP
http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/
http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/vandalism.html
HAARP - THE ULTIMATE WEAPON OF THE CONSPIRACY http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/

Shadow gov't aiming for Congress?

50 posted on 05/13/2002 12:07:43 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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