Posted on 05/17/2002 8:42:29 PM PDT by Pokey78
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The top-secret briefing memo presented to President Bush on Aug. 6 carried the headline, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," and was primarily focused on recounting al Qaeda's past efforts to attack and infiltrate the United States, senior administration officials said.
The document, known as the President's Daily Briefing, underscored that Osama bin Laden and his followers hoped to "bring the fight to America," in part as retaliation for U.S. missile strikes on al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998, according to knowledgeable sources.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I'm surprised the World Trade Center wasn't mentioned as a likely target in view of the previous attempt on it. It would seem like a fairly obvious conclusion that it would be a victim. Of course this is all 20/20 hindsight talking.
That being said, it seems to me that there were enough pieces of information around for someone to be able to figure out the puzzle. That is, if all information had been properly digested, particularly the peculiar case of the infamous flight student whose name I cannot spell, it should have been possible to realize that something of this sort was in the works.
I don't know, though, if there would have been enough evidence to prevent the terrorists from boarding the fatal flights. The links between ZM and the others were clear, but only in hindsight.
I doubt that the attacks could have been prevented, but our lack of clear information is still dismaying.
D
We will then see that the entire federal government has failed America.
I want John O'Neill,but he died in WTC on 9-11.
I want his files, but their ashes blew away.
Did he have copies somewhere?
Lets get Dick Clarke.
Yes to Cofer Black.
Ah to see and hear BCCI,Bin Mahfouz,Al-Amoudi,Clinton,Rice,.......
We will then see that the entire federal government has failed America.
I want John O'Neill,but he died in WTC on 9-11.
I want his files, but their ashes blew away.
Did he have copies somewhere?
Lets get Dick Clarke.
Yes to Cofer Black.
Ah to see and hear BCCI,Bin Mahfouz,Al-Amoudi,Clinton,Rice,.......
"June 2001 - German intelligence, the BND, warns the CIA and Israel that Middle Eastern terrorists are "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." [Source: Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, September 14, 2001.]
A French secret service report on September 7 warned of possible attacks, and that the order to act would come from Afghanistan. Le Figaro says very precise information on targets for attack was communicated to the CIA.
Summer 2001 - An Iranian man phones U.S. law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the World Trade Center in the week of September 9th. German police confirm the calls but state that the U.S. Secret Service would not reveal any further information. [Source: German news agency "online.ie", September 14, 2001]
August 2001 - The FBI arrests an Islamic militant linked to Bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence sources confirm that the man is a key member of Bin Laden's network and the FBI learns that he has been taking flying lessons. At the time of his arrest the man is in possession of technical information on Boeing aircraft and flight manuals. [Source: Reuters, September 13]
Summer 2001 - Russian intelligence notifies the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots have been specifically training for suicide missions. This is reported in the Russian press and news stories are translated for FTW by a retired CIA officer."
So many freepers cant stand the thought that their administration is stupid,lazy,immoral,illegal and corrupt.
They insist on defending BS as long as it is REPUBLICAN BS!
The entire U.S. government knew the threat of airplanes used as missiles. I blame Both the bush administration AND the clinton administration. Every congressman that served since the threat was asseses in 1995. Every FBI and CIA official. And most importantly, every single AMERICAN citizen (including me) for being ignorant of the information available and not lobbying our congressmen to do something about it. We all share the blame for the 9/11 atrocities.
But for you, you might find it easier to finger point and scape goat.
Go back and read my posts for the last two years.
You will see that I google the #$%@ out off every thing I yak about.
Think about that, and you hopefully will come to realize that I know what I am talking about.
May I suggest you search "Ramzi Yousef" "Project Bohinka" "John O'Neill" "Murad"
After reading hundreds of these hits, please get back to me and tell me if you still think that your government hasnt failed you big time!
Ummm ... Moussaoui was arrested on Aug 16, 1991 10 days After the memo.
Facts are a bitc&.
What you said would appear to reinforce my point - if someone knew about the contents of the memo and the M. arrest, the government would have pushed harder to get a search warrant of M's residence where, as you know, they eventually found all sorts of interesting stuff.
As I said, I doubt that they would have prevented the attacks, but they would have been a great deal closer.
D
Both administrations.
Please come back and argue with me.
Thats what makes this country great!
Long live Freedom of Speech!
Long live Freedom of the Press!
Long live Right to Assemble!
Long live Right to Petition the Government!
You must be one of those people that believe the government is so omnipotent that it can protect you from all enemies 100% of the time. We could just do away with the 2A if that were the case.
I note that the administration put into place a terrorism task force which was working on a plan. Unfortunately, 9/11 came before it could be implemented. Post 9/11, we can all say that we should have known about this stuff. The fact of the matter is that only now are people willing to entertain the most fantastic notions about what these people can do.
Pre 9/11, a general alert would have been ignored by the general public, and mocked by Congress. You know that is the case...they were mocking general alerts even after 9/11.
I fault Jeffords as part of the cause, since his turnover of the Senate caused a whole lot of problems, including confirmation of people Bush needed. I also think that classified investigations of the CIA and FBI are necessary. I do NOT think we need a dog and pony show on television, as Betty apparently desires.
Freedom from sanity...no!
And this is from a guy who likes it on the loose--wild side...not always!
Thanks Bill Clinton for stirring up a hornets nest without killing any of the hornets. Cruise missle attacks should be used only as the first wave of an all-out attack, not as political fashion statements.
Sundays talking heads should be a hoot!
I'm not quite sure if you're for or against me!
OK, so if these attacks are so easy to figure out and it's so easy to read the minds of our enemies, tell me exactly where and when the next one will be.
How about the clear light of day shining on people who are wealthy from failing American citizens?
Why not exposure of incompetents whose actions will cause us to die?
Why not divulge all of John O'Neills findings?
When and who met with whom and where re:Afghanistan and Taliban and Al-Qaeda and Big Oil?
Can't the public stand to know what's up?
Televised investigations of security agencies are detrimental to national security, or else they reveal nothing of any importance, except Senator Edwards' ability to hog the camera.
Yes, haul out that "rich people, big oil " mantra. You sound like you have been Daschle-ized.
You are missing the point that Condi keeps saying that she and Bush didnt know about suicide bombing with airplanes.
That shows stupidity and/or deceit.
There is no way a search can be done about the bad boys without coming up with Ramzi Yousef and Murad and yada, yada.
If the Bush administration shows up on the Sunday talk shows still saying they didnt know about suicide planes,I'll be crying and laughing all the way to the non-existent shelters!
Frank Levi – Feb 2002
Introduction
Just for a few moments, let’s delve into the world of the conspiracy theorist and make a few assumptions. Let’s start by assuming that the real motives for the 9-11 attacks were much more than just a desperate attack by Islamic extremists on the West and the real motives and perpetrators are much more sinister – as well as being conveniently covered by a smokescreen of government and media lies. Let’s say for example – there is a secret government whose aim is control of the world’s remaining resources and ultimately total global domination – as Osama Bin Laden himself said “a government within the government”. This so called “Secret Government” used various intelligence agencies to arrange the attacks, deliberately arranged the collapse of the buildings and arranged a convenient cover story to justify the immediate invasion of Afghanistan. The immediate benefits of this being control of the vast oil resources in the Caspian Basin, not to mention the massive strategic benefits gained by controlling this area.
Suppose a high ranking figure in the FBI is doing his best to track down the leading figures of modern-day Islamic terrorism and just happens to start poking his nose in to business that may cause “issues” for your hidden agenda – what do you do?
Suppose this same FBI character decides to start blabbing to some French intelligence experts about how his efforts to investigate the terrorist activities of one former CIA asset, Osama Bin Laden, are being blocked – what do you do?
1.Smear him and/or damage his reputation
2.Make it impossible for him to continue in the FBI
3.Have him permanently removed from the equation
Meet John O’Neill
http://www.nymag.com/page.cfm?page_id=5513
This article gives an excellent look at the career and personality of John O’Neill – a brash, outspoken womanizer whose single-minded pursuit of the terrorist threat led him into all kinds of trouble with the higher echelons of power in the U.S. He joined the bureau in the 1970s and became head of the counter-terrorism section in 1995.
Some key points to note in this article about the huge hurdles he had to face in investigating the various attacks blamed on Osama Bin Laden:
Strange goings in on Saudi Arabia:
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Blocked while investigating the Cole bombing:
<< He ran into another diplomatic barrier last year in Yemen, after the Cole bombing. Within days of arriving, he'd knocked heads with the ambassador, Barbara Bodine. While the FBI was interrogating witnesses, the State Department was trying to coax Yemeni diplomats into pledging not to support terror. The conflicting agendas, combined with O'Neill's determination, were explosive. He wanted his agents to carry automatic weapons, like their Yemeni counterparts; she insisted they carry smaller arms, like diplomats. By the time Barry Mawn arrived, Bodine was calling O'Neill an outright liar. O'Neill's comments about the ambassador, friends say, weren't printable. >>
<< When O'Neill came back for Thanksgiving, James was shocked to see him exhausted and twenty pounds lighter. He never returned: Bodine told Freeh that O'Neill wasn't allowed to. One more irony came after September 11. The FBI returned after Bodine left her job, and according to Mawn, Yemeni authorities were so moved by O'Neill's death that they began cooperating with the investigation again. >>
The real killer came whenever O’Neill decided to open up to the French intelligence experts, Guillaume Dasquié and Jean-Charles Brisard in July of last year.
http://www.rense.com/general17/deal.htm - an article on Brisard and Dasquié’s book - Bin Laden, la verite interdite (Bin Laden, the forbidden truth) which claims:
<< Under the influence of United States oil companies, the government of President George W Bush initially blocked intelligence agencies' investigations on terrorism while it bargained with the Taliban on the delivery of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid>>
<< The authors claim that O'Neill told them that "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it". The two claim that the US government's main objective in Afghanistan was to consolidate the position of the Taliban regime to obtain access to the oil and gas reserves in Central Asia.>>
So now we have our background, let’s move back to those outrageous conspiracy theories
Smeared, Discredited and Heading for Early Retirement
This began with reports on the conflict with the Yemeni ambassador and continued with the suitcase incident detailed below
< "He thought the leak might have come from Washington," says Mawn. That same month, O'Neill told Mawn and others that Dick Clarke, the president's terrorism czar at the National Security Council, had asked O'Neill whether he wanted his name put forward to succeed him.
"It would be a powerful position," Mawn says. "That person would have direct contact with the FBI and turn around and influence top Cabinet people, and possibly even the president. So if I was somebody who didn't like him, it would be because he is getting into a position of power that could possibly get back to the Bureau to do things his way." >>
He left the bureau in July, a tired and frustrated man
The Hit?
Shortly after leaving the FBI, John O’Neill was offered a job offering three times the salary he had previously received – approximately $300, 000
The job was head of security for the World Trade Center.
His first day was the 11th Sept.
He apparently went back into the building to help with the rescue operation and was killed when the building collapsed on top of him
Is this just a coincidence? If it is, it’s a very big one. We’ve all seen films, usually featuring organized crime conspiracies where the whistle blower just happens to get killed in a crash just before giving evidence – is it beyond the realms of possibility that this could be a similar situation?
Hopefully, this will at least have given you some insight into the life of a very brave man.
John O'Neill is who I mean. The late John O'Neill who was blown to ashes in the WTC.
The late John O'Neill of the FBI who had been documenting Binny and his boys.
The O'Neill who said he had been thwarted in his work because of the big oil connections to Bush.
That O'Neill!
Then maybe you should answer.
You are missing the point that Condi keeps saying that she and Bush didnt know about suicide bombing with airplanes.
No one knew. If you can point to a publication pre 9-11 that said the WTC and the Pentagon would be attacked on 9-11, I'd like to see it.
That shows stupidity and/or deceit.
Then you're stupid too, because you didn't know 9-11 would specifically happen.
There is no way a search can be done about the bad boys without coming up with Ramzi Yousef and Murad and yada, yada.
And 2 million others. If it's so easy to pinpoint 10 out of millions of possible sabatage, why didn't you do it yourself? If we detained everyone who may be deemed a threat, Free Republic's membership alone would drop by half. LOL Sometimes you don't know what someone will do until they do it.
If the Bush administration shows up on the Sunday talk shows still saying they didnt know about suicide planes,I'll be crying and laughing all the way to the non-existent shelters!
Well then you better start crying because no one knew. Go hide yourself under your bed, we'll continue to do our jobs so our men and women in Afghanistan can do theirs.
You're ignorant about a lot of things.
Condis statements all go to the "pre 9/11 no one knew about plans for using planes as weapons"
That is a lie!
CNN keeps playing its old tape from the Philipines and the Murad connection. That aired right after 9/11.
But the US government knew about it before.
The Bush administration should not keep saying they didnt know about Islamic terrorist plans and utterances about using planes to crash into buildings before 9/11.
That is a lie!
That is your right.
More power to you.
Now, go google and see what terrorists blew up WTC the first time.
Go search and see who the usual suspects in the Cole Attack were.
Type in Khobar Towers.
PS.Dont waste your time looking up Swedish grandmothers or Polish babies.
They dont have millions of pages written about terrorist actions in their past.
The intelligence chain of command has been broken and is broken and maybe, just maybe, the personnel changes we are starting to see will fix it.
Subtle? How?
Condis statements all go to the "pre 9/11 no one knew about plans for using planes as weapons"
Hitler knew there would be an invasion, but he didn't know where so the invasion succeeded. You have to know specifics to stop these things.
That is a lie!
Let's see some pre-9-11 publications to prove your point. Specifics too.
CNN keeps playing its old tape from the Philipines and the Murad connection. That aired right after 9/11.
Right after? Did a lot of good then, didn't it? A general warning is no good without specifics.
But the US government knew about it before.
They knew that the WTC and Pentagon would be attacked specifically on 9-11? Prove it.
The Bush administration should not keep saying they didnt know about Islamic terrorist plans and utterances about using planes to crash into buildings before 9/11.
Terrorists have been hijacking planes for years. If you don't know which ones and when, then there's nothing that can be done.
That is a lie!
Prove that the gov. knew that the WTC and the Pentagon would be attacked specifically on 9-11.
And you are asking for the impossible: to have a nanny government to be so omnipotent as to protect everyone 100% of the time from all enemies. You have that much faith in government that it can do this, I don't. I know that there will be attacks and murder against innocent civilians by murderers and terrorists from time to time. There's no way a government can protect everyone from everything.
That is your right. More power to you. Now, go google and see what terrorists blew up WTC the first time. Go search and see who the usual suspects in the Cole Attack were. Type in Khobar Towers. PS.Dont waste your time looking up Swedish grandmothers or Polish babies. They dont have millions of pages written about terrorist actions in their past. The intelligence chain of command has been broken and is broken and maybe, just maybe, the personnel changes we are starting to see will fix it.
It won't. You have too much faith in government. I don't care how much money we spend and how great our leaders are, people will be killed and murdered ny terrorists and murderers. The only thing we can do is kill them when they do it so as to reduce the number of times it happens.
Kill the ones that did this, dumbass.
We have to take action to arrest and/or deport the illegal aliens and foeigners linked to terror within our country and secure our borders. That is what will stop the terror--not trying to kill every Muslim and Arab on the Planet in a Hitlerian mass genocide.
Show me where I said that. You're an idiot.
The current Open borders policy of our government in complete violation of our US laws must stop for the terror to be prevented!
Yes, I support an end to immigration.
But you think that they should protect you from all enemies all the time. They can't do that.
How about deporting all Islamic males?
How about sealing our borders, and stopping all immigration , and yes even vacation visitors to America?
Do you think that is too much to expect of a government that taxes its citizens to protect them?
Go back and read my posts for the last two years.
You will see that I google the #$%@ out off every thing I yak about.
Yo, BOOT! You shoulda been on the OLD Free Republic!
He can't write a coherent thought to save his life.
I'm not quite sure if you're for or against me!
It's irrelevant, anyway.
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