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PREGNANT PRETEEN
AP Wire | May 29, 2002

Posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:45 AM PDT by NYer

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (AP) _ An 11-year-old city girl who police said was impregnated by a 75-year-old man has given birth.

A state Department of Children and Families spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday that the girl is now a mother. The girl and the baby are both in DCF custody.

``We will continue to be involved with her and the baby. Both are safe, spokeswoman Joan Gurski said.

Jimmy Kave, accused of fathering the child, is charged with six counts of first-degree sexual assault, eight counts of risk of injury to a minor and two counts of sexual assault in the fourth degree.

Police said Kave, who was arrested April 17, admitted having sex on several occasions with the girl beginning in January 2001, but claimed she had enticed him. Kave met the girl through an ``Adopt-A-Godparent'' program at his Bridgeport housing complex.

Authorities also charged the girl's doctors with failing to report the abuse to authorities when they learned she was pregnant. Attorneys for Drs. Mukesh Shah and Ann Lule have asked a judge to dismiss those charges, claiming there is insufficient evidence.

AP-ES-05-29-02 1138EDT


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: adoptagodparent; preteen
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1 posted on 05/29/2002 8:52:45 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Adopt-A-Godparent

Got to be the next enclave of pederasts of all flavors.

2 posted on 05/29/2002 8:54:00 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: NYer
No pictures please, I just ate.
3 posted on 05/29/2002 8:54:21 AM PDT by Registered
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To: NYer
Why does DCF have custody of her and her baby? She was not assaulted nor impregnated by a family member. Where are her parents? Whats the deal?
4 posted on 05/29/2002 8:56:13 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
bump
5 posted on 05/29/2002 8:56:52 AM PDT by Maedhros
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To: NYer
I guess this gives new meaning to intergenerational relations.

This is sick though. The first thing I want to see is a paternity test. Maybe the old guy did have sex with her, but that doesn't mean that he is the father.

6 posted on 05/29/2002 8:58:56 AM PDT by Badray
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To: NYer
"Adopt A Godparent" - another liberal warm fuzzy feel good fix.
7 posted on 05/29/2002 8:59:22 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: NYer
Police said Kave, who was arrested April 17, admitted having sex on several occasions with the girl beginning in January 2001, but claimed she had enticed him

Come on, Gramps, you don't know how to say no to your alledged Little Lolita?

8 posted on 05/29/2002 9:01:38 AM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: NYer
This is just so sick and wrong, I don't know what else to say.
10 posted on 05/29/2002 9:03:07 AM PDT by rintense
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To: 3catsanadog
"Come on, Gramps, you don't know how to say no to your alledged Little Lolita?"

He probably didn't want to say no. He probably couldn't believe the whole thing. Can girls at this age do these things? Yes.

11 posted on 05/29/2002 9:04:23 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: 3catsanadog
You have to remember this guy is old. Back in his day, that excuse may have been a little more acceptable than today.
12 posted on 05/29/2002 9:04:23 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: NYer
This is gross and another reason I would NEVER leave my daughter alone unsupervised with a stranger were I a parent.
13 posted on 05/29/2002 9:04:37 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: NYer
**Police said Kave, who was arrested April 17, admitted having sex on several occasions with the girl beginning in January 2001, but claimed she had enticed him. Kave met the girl through an ``Adopt-A-Godparent'' program at his Bridgeport housing complex.**

I feel sick to my stomach.

14 posted on 05/29/2002 9:05:09 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Drango
No, then it would have been a 15 year old boy...
15 posted on 05/29/2002 9:06:12 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Badray
Maybe the old guy did have sex with her, but that doesn't mean that he is the father.

Doesn't matter. He's not being charged with paternity, but with sexual assault.

The paternity test, if it hasn't been done already, will definitely have to be done when they sue for part of the old geezer's estate.

16 posted on 05/29/2002 9:06:45 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Phantom Lord
I would assume that they are in the process of losing her.
17 posted on 05/29/2002 9:08:49 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: homeschool mama
I vaguely remember reading another article about this. The senior center was claiming that they HAD no "Adopt-A-Grandparent" program and that the mother and daughter had been snookered or...something. I'll try to find it again.
18 posted on 05/29/2002 9:09:43 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: NYer
Severe destruction of this man is in order.

Send him to Iraq and tell them he killed lots of Taliban with his genitals.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 9:10:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: NYer
Police said Kave, who was arrested April 17, admitted having sex on several occasions with the girl beginning in January 2001, but claimed she had enticed him.

This guy should be toast (assuming the DNA matches).

An eleven-year-old can't give consent, so he's guilty no matter how she "enticed" him.

OTOH, courts have determined preteens are competent to disown their parents, consent to abortion, etc.

Maybe we need to reconsider all the "rights" we give to children without any responsibilities...

20 posted on 05/29/2002 9:13:27 AM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: NYer
Authorities also charged the girl's doctors with failing to report the abuse to authorities when they learned she was pregnant. Attorneys for Drs. Mukesh Shah and Ann Lule have asked a judge to dismiss those charges, claiming there is insufficient evidence.

Insufficient evidence? Insufficient evidence? -so this newborn baby has no meaning? It just does not exist?

The 75 year old man should spend his last years locked up. And the doctors and anyone else that "looked the other way" in this should be severely punished. Eleven years old......

21 posted on 05/29/2002 9:13:53 AM PDT by DETAILER
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To: NYer
If this was New Jersey, the Judge would be saying that they just clicked and satisfied their sexual urges.

DAMN ALL PERVERTS!!!!!!AND THAT INCLUDES THE JUDGES WHO OKAY THESE ACTS AGAINST CHILDREN

22 posted on 05/29/2002 9:13:55 AM PDT by OldFriend
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Earlier thread
23 posted on 05/29/2002 9:20:11 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: ZOOKER
Police said Kave, who was arrested April 17, admitted having sex on several occasions with the girl beginning in January 2001, but claimed she had enticed him.

Perhaps she snapped her thong at him and he only followed his hero's lead. Even Chris Dodd thinks Clinton is a hero.

24 posted on 05/29/2002 9:27:40 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: OldFriend
If this was New Jersey, the Judge would be saying that they just clicked and satisfied their sexual urges.

I'm missing a reference here...
25 posted on 05/29/2002 9:31:53 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: DETAILER
Since January 2001...she was only 10, possibly 9, when she "enticed" him. This is one of the sickest things imaginable.

I have an 11 year old daughter. I would gladly tear apart, with my bare hands, any man who touched her. But I have no doubt my husband would blow the pervert's head off first.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 9:35:47 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: NYer
Kave met the girl through an ``Adopt-A-Godparent'' program at his Bridgeport housing complex.

Another liberal feel-good answer to society's woes?

How about just have "families." Nah. They'll never go for it. Too old fashioned.

27 posted on 05/29/2002 9:36:41 AM PDT by Exigence
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To: Badray
The first thing I want to see is a paternity test. Maybe the old guy did have sex with her, but that doesn't mean that he is the father.

What difference does it make whether he's the father or not? He had sex with an eleven-year-old child, for Pete's sake.

28 posted on 05/29/2002 9:37:55 AM PDT by Exigence
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To: OldFriend
That NJ judge is amazing, isn't he. Apart from his disgusting personal opinion, it seems he doesn't even begin to grasp the concept that he is supposed to apply the law, not opine on how things we have laws against aren't really bad. I think he needs to do some time in a maximum security prison -- it would only take a couple of days to get a reality check through his thick skull, assuming the other prisoners were informed in advance of what he was in for. And of course the other prisoners would all say it had been consensual, and they'd make sure he knew better than to contradict their claim.
29 posted on 05/29/2002 9:40:00 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Dimensio; OldFriend
The story OldFriend is referring to is here
30 posted on 05/29/2002 9:46:15 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wattsmag2
"Got to be the next enclave of pederasts of all flavors."

Um, "pederasty" is homosexual behavior involving an adult male and a teenage boy. How did you figure it fit into this pregnancy story?

Michael

31 posted on 05/29/2002 9:50:50 AM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: redlipstick
I imagine that you wouldn't be leaving your 10-year old with a stranger. If it were to happen, you would certainly question your child afterwards, even just to be chatty. I am sorry, but this story stinks. Sounds to me like she was 10 going on 40. You are correct, 10 year-olds cannot consent to sexual contact, period, so therefore the geezer should justly be subject to criminal action. However, I am not convinced that this 10 year-old couldn't escape a 75 year-old's unwanted advances.
32 posted on 05/29/2002 9:53:18 AM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Ah, thank you. Sick and shocking.
33 posted on 05/29/2002 9:54:05 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: ZOOKER
My darling granddaughter will be 11 on her next birthday. She's so very innocent at 10. I would love to be in a room with this pedophile for about 20 minutes. He wouldn't be fathering anymore babies!
34 posted on 05/29/2002 10:00:40 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: NYer
Jeb Bush should have prevented this from happening.
35 posted on 05/29/2002 10:02:41 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Don Myers
That was a sick and telling comment on your part. Disgusting.
36 posted on 05/29/2002 10:07:08 AM PDT by Thorondir
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Most sickening of all......she agreed to a THREE YEAR term in prison. The Judge decided to let her go with only probation......after all, he said, what harm was done?
37 posted on 05/29/2002 10:15:53 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Thorondir
"That was a sick and telling comment on your part. Disgusting."

You believe what it is easier for you to believe. I am not excusing his actions. But, I also am not naive enough to think that he might not be telling the truth as far as it goes. What is sick and disgusting is this society in which such things happen.

38 posted on 05/29/2002 10:16:29 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Perhaps I misunderstood you, sir. But your comment is still perplexing to me and seems to lay the blame on the little girl and excuse the degenerate old man, who, BTW, should be executed IMO (if truly guilty of the crime).
39 posted on 05/29/2002 10:27:50 AM PDT by Thorondir
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To: NYer
What did George W Bush know about this and when did he know it?
40 posted on 05/29/2002 10:30:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: hellinahandcart
Sexual assault? Oh-oh, this guy may end up getting off with only probation.

"A teacher who admitted having a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old student was sentenced to five years probation. Pamela Diehl-Moore, 43, pleaded guilty in January to sexual assault as part of an agreement to avoid a possible three-year prison sentence."

Then again, maybe not, since this involves sexual assault against a little girl as opposed to a little boy.

41 posted on 05/29/2002 10:42:37 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: NYer
You know that here in New york it would be only a matter of time before the girl was put in 'foster care' where she would be abused in much the same way. (With an accuracy of prediction of 67%.)

Also, if she had reported the abuse in New York, she would be told that she was lying. (Actual case near me, a girl was being molested by her mother's boyfriend since she was 9. It was reported repeatedly, to which the "Proper authorities" said there was "nothing wrong/going on, we investigated and found nothing". When she turned 16 she finally had enough and took the pictures he took, video, and any other evidence and went to the police. Her family has turned against her and "Blamed the Victim". Scum bag got a light sentence. He's out and she's scared.)

So, with my patented "Cynic Vision" I'm wondering how long it will take that state to pimp this 11 year old out. Or at least make her feel that it's okay to engage in sex with multiple partners. (Again, New York.)

42 posted on 05/29/2002 10:54:56 AM PDT by Darksheare
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To: Wright is right!
Um, "pederasty" is homosexual behavior involving an adult male and a teenage boy. How did you figure it fit into this pregnancy story?

So the word should have been pedophile--doesn't change the issue.

43 posted on 05/29/2002 11:13:00 AM PDT by scholar
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To: hellinahandcart
The paternity test, if it hasn't been done already, will definitely have to be done when they sue for part of the old geezer's estate.

If this passage, from the article, is PC talk for housing project, "at his Bridgeport housing complex ", as I suspect it might. I doubt the "old geezer" has much of an estate to go after.

44 posted on 05/29/2002 12:30:45 PM PDT by theirjustdue
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To: Badray
The first thing I want to see is a paternity test.

Your point would be...? Are you not disgusted that the pervert had sex with her to begin with, pregancy or no?

45 posted on 05/29/2002 12:35:44 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: #1CTYankee; .303 Brit; 2nd amendment mama; 2Trievers; AGBRUHN; always vigilant; Andonius_99...
Anyone have any more information regarding this case?

CT Bump!

If any one would like to be removed from my CT Bump list, please let me know and it will be done ASAP. Conversely, if you would like to be added the same holds true.

46 posted on 05/29/2002 12:43:52 PM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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Ah, you are rejoining the battle, I see. :)

Okay. The judge in that case should be tarred and feathered. The female offender agreed to plead guilty in exchange for a reduced sentence of three years in prison instead of ten--and the judge took leave of his senses, ignored the deal the prosecutors had arranged and gave her probation instead. He said that the thirteen-year-old was "satisfying his sexual needs", as if a thirteen-year-old boy's sexual "needs" should ever be satisfied with anything other than his own hand. Furthermore the woman is a complete basket case who has attempted suicide once and been "hospitalized" twice since April (a probable danger to her own children, in other words) and is very likely to offend again no matter how loudly she sobs about how sorry she is. I fully expect her to violate her probation in a big way before the year is out, and then she'll be in (as another freeper put it so well today)"the stone college of hard knowledge" where she belongs, just like Mary Kay LeTourneau. HOWEVER--

The woman *pleaded guilty*, as opposed to the dirty old heterosexual pervert and the homosexual toe-sucking pervert we were previously discussing, who both believe they are completely innocent and only misunderstood by society, and are hoping to convince a jury of same. They'll have to take what they get, and can't count on getting a wacky judge to intervene on their behalf with a "gift" sentence.

Plus, it isn't the end of the story. The judge agreed to postpone sentence for 45 days so that the prosecution can appeal--they made that request as soon as the word "probation" left the judge's lips that day. And they are definitely appealing, last I heard.

47 posted on 05/29/2002 12:46:26 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: theirjustdue
It's senior-citizen housing. It may or may not be the type of place that takes all your assets before they let you in, I don't know. A paternity suit is the only way to go, the geezer's not going to be around forever. I'd be working on it already.
48 posted on 05/29/2002 12:52:54 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
"Doesn't matter. He's not being charged with paternity, but with sexual assault. The paternity test, if it hasn't been done already, will definitely have to be done when they sue for part of the old geezer's estate."

It's not our 'old geezer', I hope. LOL

You are right and in my first response I was going to suggest that, but cut my post short to save time. The old guy belongs in jail - or dead if this was my kid. I'm just doubting the paternity, not the act. I bet she has a young man somewhere that she is involved with and used the old man for a paternity suit or even just to say 'it wasn't her fault. JMO

49 posted on 05/29/2002 12:55:04 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Exigence
"What difference does it make whether he's the father or not? He had sex with an eleven-year-old child, for Pete's sake."

One of the first things that I said was that this was sick. I'm just questioning the paternity, not the act. But I am not defending what he did.

The man, and maybe even the parent(s) belong in jail.

50 posted on 05/29/2002 12:59:35 PM PDT by Badray
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