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New Finds Worldwide Support Flood Myths
National Geographic News ^ | May 28, 2002 | Brian Handwerk

Posted on 05/31/2002 5:00:48 PM PDT by vannrox

New Finds Worldwide Support Flood Myths




Brian Handwerk
for National Geographic News
May 28, 2002




Ancient stories of massive floods pass from generation to generation and in many places in the world are integral to a people's spoken history. The tales differ by locale, but commonly feature either torrential rains or a hugely destructive wall of water bursting into a valley, destroying everything in its path. In many cases, the flooding is an act of retribution by displeased gods.


Scientists, historians, and archaeologists view many of these enduring tales as myth, legend, or allegoric tales meant to illustrate moral principles. Recent findings indicate that at least a few of them could be based on real floods that caused destruction on an enormous scale.


This temple, in Mahabalipuram, India, is said to be one of seven that formerly stood at this site. New finds suggest that there may be some truth to the story that the other temples were destroyed by a flood.




Cuba's Sunken City


Deep in the waters of Cabo de San Antonio, off Cuba's coast, researchers are exploring unusual formations of smooth blocks, crests, and geometric shapes. The Canadian exploration company that discovered the formations, Advanced Digital Communications, has suggested that they could be the buildings and monuments of an early, unknown American civilization.


Many scientists are skeptical of any theory that might tempt people to draw a parallel with the fabled lost city of Atlantis. Geologist Manuel Iturralde, however, has stressed the need for an open mind while investigations of the site continue.


"These are extremely peculiar structures, and they have captured our imagination," said Iturralde, who is director of research at Cuba's Natural History Museum. Iturralde has studied countless underwater formations over the years, but said, "If I had to explain this geologically, I would have a hard time."


In his report on the formations, Iturralde noted that conclusive proof of man-made structures on the site would reinforce some oral traditions of the Maya and native Yucatecos. These people still retell ancient stories of an island inhabited by their ancestors that vanished beneath the waves.


Iturralde makes it clear, however, that just because no natural explanation is immediately apparent, it doesn't rule one out. "Nature is able to create some really unimaginable structures," he said.


Further research is scheduled to take place over the summer. Data thus far has been collected using sonar scans and video. The structures are buried under 1,900 to 2,500 feet (600 to 750 meters) of water; collecting samples from the granite blocks and the sediment in which they are imbedded is the next step.


Such samples could yield the important clues to the origins of these strange structures, and perhaps alter our view of North American ancient civilizations, the researchers say.


Temples Beneath The Sea


Off the coast of Mahabalipuram, in Tamil Nadu, South India, the discovery of a complex of submerged ruins has sparked an investigation into their origin. Local lore has long held that the area once boasted seven magnificent temples, but that six of these were swallowed by the sea. The seventh, and only remaining temple, still stands on the shore.


Stories passed from one generation to the next tell of a large, beautiful city that once occupied the area. The legends say the ancient metropolis was destroyed by the gods who were jealous of its beauty, and sent a flood to bury it beneath the waves.


Best-selling author Graham Hancock spent several years cataloging and studying these myths. When he returned to the area as part of an expedition team jointly sponsored by Great Britain's Scientific Exploration Society (SES) and India's National Institute of Oceanography (NIO), the goal was to search beneath the sea for evidence to support the flood tales.


Local fishermen raised on the legends were able to point the team to a dive site where the ruins were located. Expedition leader Monty Halls described the excitement the team felt on discovering the underwater structures.


"The initial feeling was one of disbelief," Halls recalled. "The sheer scale of the site was so impressive, and the fact that it was so close to shore. This gradually gave way to absolute elation."


Diving in challenging conditions, the team found the "foundation of walls, broken pillars, steps, and many scattered stone blocks," said Kamlesh Vora, a marine archaeologist with NIO.


Vora, Halls, and the rest of the team were quickly convinced that they had made a major discovery of man-made structures. "Here there would be no furrowed brows, no peering at reefs from different angles, no dusting for elusive archaeological fingerprints," said Halls. "Here man was everywhere."


Still, the Mahabalipuram expedition has created as many questions as it has answered.


"It is very rewarding that we have found something of such significance," Halls said. "However, the real questions still demand answers: How old is it? How extensive is it? What artifacts remain hidden in the ruins? For these reasons we must return as soon as possible and give this wonderful site the scientific and disciplined inspection it deserves."


Vora agrees that much work remains to be done on the site, which spreads over an area of several square miles. "We will have to carry out extensive explorations beyond this area to find out if the man-made structures observed underwater are indeed of the same temple complex," he said.


"All structures are made of granite stone which is locally available," Vora continued. "The archaeological and inscriptional evidence of sites on land near shore indicate a possible date of construction of these structures between 1,500 to 1,200 years before present. We now need to carry out detailed explorations and searches for datable antiquities and inscriptional evidences on the finds."


If the Mahabalipuram ruins are found to be of the same temple complex as the shore temple, the discovery would lend credence to the local tales that outsiders have often disregarded as legend.


Graham Hancock, for one, is already convinced that the link exists. "I have argued for many years that the world's flood myths deserve to be taken seriously—a view that most Western academics reject," he said. "But here in Mahabalipuram we have proved the myths right and the academics wrong."


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1 posted on 05/31/2002 5:00:48 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox;blam;Gods, Graves, Glyphs;
To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

2 posted on 05/31/2002 5:07:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: vannrox
Worldwide flood, eh? Whodathot.
3 posted on 05/31/2002 5:11:15 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: vannrox
Gee, I guess that Ark sitting on top of a 14,000 foot mountain in Turkey is a myth, that's why Islamic Turkey is so presistent about not letting anybody up there to have a look.
4 posted on 05/31/2002 5:50:24 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: anniegetyourgun
There's PLENTY of evidence that such catastrophies have occurred during the existence of Modern Man; it BEHOOVES US to discover when & How these events occurred--& WHY they occurred!

I, personally, DON'T want to "start over again in the 'Stone Age!'"

We DO NOT undestand the "History of Man" over the past 10 Millenia very well!

Doc

5 posted on 05/31/2002 5:50:53 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Ernest. This article does not mention that with all the ice melting from the end of the Ice Age, there should be 'flood' stories and legends in every culture that survived. Also, they left out one of my favorite floods, The Black Sea flood, "Noah's Flood."
6 posted on 05/31/2002 5:53:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
"Expedition leader Monty Halls described the excitement..."

As in "Come on Down!" excitement?

Face it: might be a bad pun, but it's a twofer...

7 posted on 05/31/2002 5:55:26 PM PDT by norton
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To: Doc On The Bay
"We DO NOT understand the "History of Man" over the past 10 Millenia very well! "

Some of us do. It was a period filled with tremendous catastrophies. (even a number of celestial events)

8 posted on 05/31/2002 5:57:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: norton
On the serious side:
All myths are based on something that really did take place.
A 'world flood' might only be a bigger than expected overrunning of river banks, it might be an earth quake that dumped some poorly sited buildings into the lake or ocean. Or, it might have been a worlwide event that at least overran existing tidelands and protective levees.

There is SOMETHING behind the fact of near universal flood myths...

Perhaps some enterprising grad student could take a look at the north/south orientation of those myths?

PS - The only thing I wonder about is the timeline; whatever happened in the reported case happened after the reported birth of Christ - kind of tough on biblical chronology?

9 posted on 05/31/2002 6:03:51 PM PDT by norton
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To: Doc On The Bay
it BEHOOVES US to discover when & How these events occurred--& WHY they occurred!

Bees don't have hooves, they have feet.

10 posted on 05/31/2002 6:07:34 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: blam
Kindly enlighten "the Rest of us!"

The "PC History of Modern Man" describes NO major Catastrophic events--it merely cronicles the dubious abuses of "the Coloured ones" by "the White Oppressors!"

WHAT "Catastrophic Events??"

Doc

11 posted on 05/31/2002 6:18:31 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Doc On The Bay;farmfriend
"WHAT "Catastrophic Events??"

Just for starters.

The 'long-ring' tree ring data for the last 10,000 years (Yes, the tree ring chronology has finally been filled out for 10k years) indicates that there were five worldwide catastrophic events within the last 10k years, the dates are: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC and 540AD and two smaller events at 207BC and 44BC. Some refer to these events as 'near-extinction events.' (These dates, except for 540AD, are supported by the ice core data) The dates are no longer in question but the causes are still being debated.
The 540AD date does not have an acid layer (volcano) in the ice cores and this leads some to speculate that it was a comet/asteroid that crashed into the Celtic sea and began the Dark Ages.

12 posted on 05/31/2002 6:53:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: norton
Rehwinkel has a very good book on "The Flood," old but full of great insights. He had a theory about a coincidence. Every culture has a death day where people dress up as dead people, ghosts and skeletons. Well, death is universal. But this death day is almost the same all over the world. We call it Halloween. He wondered if that was the date of the Flood starting, remembered in cultic fashion.

The Bible teaches that a global flood killed all life on the land. I believe the Word and I also enjoy seeing all the evidence left behind for the doubters.

13 posted on 05/31/2002 7:01:16 PM PDT by Chemnitz
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To: Doc On The Bay
WHAT "Catastrophic Events??"

About 7600 years ago the Black Sea was a huge fresh water lake within a very short time it became a salt water sea connected with the Mediterranean.

Catistrophic Event

14 posted on 05/31/2002 7:11:22 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mike Darancette
"About 7600 years ago the Black Sea was a huge fresh water lake within a very short time it became a salt water sea connected with the Mediterranean."

I have the book Noah's Flood by Ryan and Pittman, good book. I'm beginning to think that something similar happened in the Gulf Of Mexico.

15 posted on 05/31/2002 7:16:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: Doc On The Bay;Mike Darancette
Ancient Apocalypse
16 posted on 05/31/2002 7:23:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mike Darancette
Comets And The Bronze Age Collapse
17 posted on 05/31/2002 7:28:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
bump
18 posted on 05/31/2002 7:28:42 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: blam
"The 'long-ring' tree ring data for the last 10,000 years (Yes, the tree ring chronology has finally been filled out for 10k years) indicates that there were five worldwide catastrophic events within the last 10k years, the dates are: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC and 540AD . . . . "

2354 BC is the Biblical date for the Flood.

At some point, I believe you posted an online site for ancient chronology--if you have it conveniently available, could you please put it up again. Thanks.

19 posted on 05/31/2002 7:53:01 PM PDT by David
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To: David
"2354 BC is the Biblical date for the Flood."

That is the Usser date. James Usser (1580-1655), Archbishop Of Armagh, Church Of Ireland. He is famous for dating the earth at 4004 years old.

I'll look around and see if I can find the timeline you requested. My files are a mess and I may not find it.

20 posted on 05/31/2002 8:15:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: David
Try this link.
21 posted on 05/31/2002 8:22:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: Doc On The Bay
If you don't mind, I'll take God's word for it.
22 posted on 05/31/2002 8:24:59 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: vannrox
The Canadian exploration company that discovered the formations, Advanced Digital Communications

ADC signed a deal with Castro to split the profits (50% Fidel, 10% Cuban partner, 40% ADC) from the recovery of any Spanish Galleons. That is what ADC is really after. There are a dozen or so known wrecks in Cuban waters which have not been explored because of the depth. ADC thinks they can get down to them.

The "sunken city" is a nice cover. National Geographic can foot part of the bill without being tainted by helping to further enrich Fidel Castro.

23 posted on 05/31/2002 8:34:20 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Russell Scott
Exactly. They find scientific proof, yet they refuse to admit it's real, just keep on insisting it's all a 'myth'.
We have all lived through 3 major catastrophes in this country: Bubba's 1st election, Bubba's 2nd election, and the election of the Hildabeast.
24 posted on 05/31/2002 9:14:52 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: LarryLied
"The "sunken city" is a nice cover. National Geographic can foot part of the bill without being tainted by helping to further enrich Fidel Castro."

I think National Geographic bailed out of the deal with ADC.

25 posted on 05/31/2002 9:18:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Hmmm.... The sunken city and Galleons are a natural for them. Must be Castro. Or maybe it is ADC.
26 posted on 05/31/2002 9:29:55 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: norton
There is SOMETHING behind the fact of near universal flood myths...

Aren't floods still the most deadly natural disaster?

27 posted on 05/31/2002 9:38:54 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: vannrox
The study of Pyramidology looks into the construction of the pyramids but also deals with the "Deluge". I once read a book where flood myths throughout the world were documented. Interestingly, the Mandan Indians of North Dakota had a cultural legend of a flood which engulfed all of mankind except those who were saved by riding in a large canoe.

Unfortunately, I left that book on an Air Force jet while "hitchhiking home on leave. I left Omaha with a SAC General who was due to testify before Congress, (spring of 72) and when we reached Andrews I was in such a hurry to catch a 141 going to McGuire I forgot that book in the seat pocket. I did search and found links to the winslow@squirespublishing.co.uk where this information can be obtained.

Why is their a pyramid on the back of a $1 bill? The engraver believed in pyramidology and incorporated it in the design. The "all seeing eye" that floats atop the pyramid is part of the mythic belief system of the pyramidologist!

28 posted on 05/31/2002 9:56:17 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: blam
Thanks for the ping and the info.
29 posted on 05/31/2002 11:49:39 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: blam
do you have sites with more information on these data, particularly the 540 ad impact/event?
30 posted on 06/01/2002 3:20:12 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: David
2354BC, is also within a century of the estimated date of a comet/asteroid crater impact in iraq which, it is spectulated, caused enough sunlight blockage to create chaos/famine in the entire near and middle east, collapsing most if not all social systems there...
31 posted on 06/01/2002 3:22:31 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123
The link below is from a university in England and contains articles and correspondence from virtually every name you have seen on the Discovery Channels, major US newspapers and the BBC in regards to geological and historical neo-catastrophism, asteroid and comet dangers and poking holes in wacko environmentalism.

It contains over 5 years of articles and e-mails (by day) and is searchable. WARNING: this site is addictive

Cambridge Conference

32 posted on 06/01/2002 3:44:26 AM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: norton
I love reading a post by an intelligent Freeper who manages to look at a situation with clarity of mind and intelligence. However i am sad to say that although your points make absolute sense you will not be able to convince otherwise those who think that this 'discovery' is a sign of the divine.

Think of it, i was watching the History channel the other week, and they had a broadcast from the seventies on the same matter. Thus this 'recent discovery' is just a regurgitation of what some people believed is 'scientific,' but is not.

33 posted on 06/01/2002 3:58:46 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: Russell Scott
There was actually an expedition to Mount Alamut where they thought they had found the ark of Noah. And when the scientists and archeologists arrived there they discovered that there was not such ship matter whatsoever.

Thus the turks must have other reasons for sealing off mt Alamut, maybe for national security reasons(since Turkey is under a lot of Islamic threats due to it being an extremely moderate Islamic nation, actually more moderate than many European countries). They are not protecting Noah's ark!

34 posted on 06/01/2002 4:02:10 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: WoofDog123
"540AD"
35 posted on 06/01/2002 4:05:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: Russell Scott
And as a person pointed out, the floods depicted in this article took place quite recently(from a hostorical perspective). The article says that in the Indian case the building were built between 1500 to 2000 years ago, and obviously the floods took place after their being built otherwise they would not have been affected by flooding.

Thus they were built around the time Christ was born, more or less. And, if Noah's flood did happen, i happened LONG before the birth of Christ!

IMHO i think what happened here is some widespread flooding that totally shocked the local populace, but clearly not a worldwide flood.

And as an interesting aside. It was noted by scholars that there are Babylonian stories that are doppelgangers of the story in Genesis, that were dated long before the Pentatauch (the first five books written by Moses...eg Genesis, Deuteronomy etc) were written. And to them the story of a flood is based on the Babylonian legends. Not my point but theirs!

36 posted on 06/01/2002 4:10:49 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: WoofDog123
"2354BC, is also within a century of the estimated date of a comet/asteroid crater impact in iraq which, it is spectulated, caused enough sunlight blockage to create chaos/famine in the entire near and middle east, collapsing most if not all social systems there...

Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations

37 posted on 06/01/2002 4:19:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: LarryLied
You are something else!!!! And probably RIGHT too!
38 posted on 06/01/2002 4:33:29 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: spetznaz
Somewhere, I have an underwater map of the world during the Ice Age, with the world ocean levels reduced by 300 feet, it shows a lot of interesting things. It shows the Red Sea landlocked, the Persian Gulf is completely dry and numberous other things like that. The Red Sea (at some point) had to 'break-through' and re-connect with the worlds oceans, quite a flood, huh?
This scenerio probably played out many times around the world in the last 10k years and produced many flood stories. Most scientists agree that the worlds oceans were reduced, in the ice age, by 300-500 feet, with most accepting 400 feet.
I'd bet money that the Gulf Of Mexico was blocked off at one time also.
39 posted on 06/01/2002 4:52:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
bump
40 posted on 06/01/2002 2:31:29 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: blam
What I find extraordinary is that the National Geographic quotes Graham Hancock as an expert without slamming him as per usual. This must have gotten past the "orthodoxy" censors. It is odd that they don't mention the Black Sea flood and the potential discoveries on the bottom of the sea.

FYI: I read recently that the Falun Gong believe that humanity on Earth has been smashed by worldwide cataclysms 81 or 82 times (I can't recall the exact number from their book).

Regarding the Indian finds -- this is simply marvelous and I can't wait to see what comes from this as well as the Cuban site.

41 posted on 06/01/2002 4:47:59 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
"Regarding the Indian finds "

You mean this one? Lost Civilisation From 7,500 BC Discovered Off Indian Coast

42 posted on 06/01/2002 6:25:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yes sirree!
43 posted on 06/01/2002 6:29:52 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: vannrox
Sunday morning bump.
44 posted on 06/02/2002 6:43:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: David;blam
Google found this :

Gilgamesh was an historical king of Uruk in Babylonia

6. The Flood. The story of the Flood is a familiar one, as we shall see in Genesis and Popol Vuh (Plato also gives an account of the Flood and the city of Atlantis in the dialogue, Critias ; the Nez Perce of the Palouse also have a flood story in which the only humans that survived did so by climbing the mountain, Yamustus, that is, Steptoe Butte).

45 posted on 06/08/2002 1:38:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Chemnitz
Also interesting to think about the mythological gods, how most all seem to have existed in both Roman and Greek mythology Have you ever wondered if maybe such people existed? think about what the possibilities are before the flood.. the nephilim are spoken of in the bible as large powerful people created from demons that forsook their natural place.. the spiritual realm. These mythological stories could just be far fetched truths... you know how things get twisted after a while.. and the stories about these gods are entertaining
46 posted on 11/13/2002 9:17:08 AM PST by Amelia76
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