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[Locked-flamewar] MUBARAK CLAIMS: EGYPT WARNED U.S. OF AN AL-QAIDA PLOT WEEK BEFORE 9/11
Drudge Report ^ | 6/3/2002 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 06/03/2002 7:59:52 PM PDT by DrLiberty

Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, it will be reported on Tuesday (in the NY TIMES)... MORE... A senior U.S. intelligence official denied the warning was received...


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Yet another crack in the dam of the government's credibility. What say ye now, apologists?
1 posted on 06/03/2002 7:59:53 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
You want me to believe anything that comes out of Egypt?

Get a grip!

2 posted on 06/03/2002 8:01:35 PM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
You want me to believe anything that comes out of DC?

YOU get a grip!

3 posted on 06/03/2002 8:05:58 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
Honestly...who cares? Last I checked, the towers were still collapsed.
4 posted on 06/03/2002 8:07:48 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: DrLiberty
So you are aligning yourself with Mubarak via Drudge. Time to renounce your citizenship, if you have one.
5 posted on 06/03/2002 8:08:10 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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NY TIMES - CAIRO, June 3 — Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday.

Using a secret agent they had recruited who was in close contact with the bin Laden organization, Mr. Mubarak said, his intelligence chiefs tried unsuccessfully to halt the operation.

Mr. Mubarak said his intelligence officials had no indication what the target would be and had no idea of the magnitude of the coming attack.

"We didn't know that such a thing could take place," he said, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks. "We thought it was an embassy, an airplane, something, the usual thing."

But, he added, to discover after the event that the terrorists were going to take airplanes and destroy buildings, "that is unbelievable."

Still, Mr. Mubarak's disclosure represents the first time a foreign leader has said that an intelligence service had penetrated Mr. bin Laden's network, Al Qaeda, to the extent that discussions about specific operations — and whether they could be halted or postponed — were under way.

Mr. Mubarak did not say whether he knew how American counterterrorism officials had reacted to the Egyptian warning, which a senior United States intelligence official denied was received. But Mr. Mubarak said he believed that security at the United States Embassy in Cairo was tightened in early September as a result of the warning.

"We informed them about everything," he said, referring to American intelligence officials.

Mr. Mubarak cited the warning as evidence that Egypt has become an increasingly valuable intelligence partner to the United States in the war against terrorism, especially since Sept. 11. It seemed possible he was seeking to burnish Egypt's credentials, which have been questioned in Congress, in advance of his visit to Washington this week.

"Maybe some congressmen were thinking, `What is Egypt doing?' " for the United States, he said. "There are so many things we cannot say, mainly intelligence information. We did a lot, but sometimes you have to do it quietly."

A White House spokesman declined to comment on Mr. Mubarak's remarks. The senior United States intelligence official, however, said the Central Intelligence Agency had not received any warnings from Egypt about a possible attack in the days before Sept. 11.

"The Egyptians gave us some threat information, earlier in 2001, of possible attacks against U.S. or Egyptian interests," the official said. "There was nothing about hijackings, nothing about an attack inside the U.S. It did not come in the days before 9/11."

Mr. Mubarak's statements come as indications grow that American officials were slow to interpret emerging signs of a Qaeda plot well before the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Last week, Robert S. Mueller III, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, acknowledged lapses in his agency. And on Sunday, government officials disclosed that the C.I.A. had learned about a Sept. 11 hijacker's connections to Al Qaeda many months before the attacks.

By Mr. Mubarak's recollection, Egyptian intelligence officials informed American intelligence officers some time between March and May of 2001 of Egypt's penetration of the bin Laden organization through the agent. While he referred in the interview broadly to "American intelligence," United States officials say the intelligence relationship between Egypt and the United States is handled through the C.I.A. station chief at the embassy in Cairo.

The agent established such close contact with Mr. bin Laden's organization that Egyptian officials tried to use the agent's influence to stop the attack.

"We knew that something was going to happen," Mr. Mubarak said. "We had good contact" with shadowy figures who had information about the the bin Laden group's activities. "We started to use them, to tell them, `You can stop this,' " using any pretext, the president added, to try "to give ourselves time to realize what may take place."

The Egyptian president said his intelligence chiefs believed, based on the agent's information, that "something is going to happen in the U.S." or "to the United States, maybe inside the U.S., maybe in an airplane, maybe in embassies" outside the United States. "We couldn't know, we tried to know where, but this information" never reached them.

"I think this man, this agent, phoned the group of bin Laden, I don't remember who it was," Mr. Mubarak said. The agent was told, "No, no, no, it's difficult to stop it."

By this time, the president added, "It was one week before" Sept. 11, "because the wheels were going on, we couldn't stop it — one week or four days, a very short time."

At a minimum, Mr. Mubarak's account adds detail and drama to a list of warnings about potential terrorist attacks that American intelligence agencies fielded in the days, weeks and months before Sept. 11.

Today, an Egyptian official, commenting on warnings about the Sept. 11 attacks, said, "There were indications that something was being prepared."

"There was information about some people planning an operation in the United States, against the United States, but you could not pinpoint where, how, when," the official said.

The official noted that there had been extensive cooperation between the two countries' intelligence services after the attacks, with the Egyptians helping even in such seemingly mundane matters as sorting out the welter of Arab names used by the hijackers. He declined to be more specific about further cooperation.

For years, Egypt's security services, like Jordan's and Saudi Arabia's, have closely cooperated with the C.I.A. on security issues. After the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, Anwar el-Sadat, who was then the Egyptian president, opened the country's warehouses of Soviet-made weapons to the Carter administration to equip mujahedeen fighters in Afghanistan.

After Mr. Sadat was assassinated in 1981, Mr. Mubarak continued the close cooperation. Through the 1980's, the C.I.A. also worked closely with Egypt to thwart Libyan military pressure on Sudan. Counterterrorist cooperation has been a longstanding feature of the secret cooperation.

More recently, in late September, Mr. Mubarak said, Egyptian intelligence services told the United States of a plot by bin Laden associates to kill President Bush and other leaders who met in July in Genoa, Italy.

In describing the intelligence activities, Mr. Mubarak assumed some risk himself. Islamic fundamentalists tried to assassinate him several years ago, and the killers of his predecessor were Muslim extremists.

Egypt's top intelligence officer, Omar Suleiman, has become one of Mr. Mubarak's indispensable envoys, traveling to Washington this month to gather political intelligence on what Mr. Bush wanted to discuss with Mr. Mubarak during his visit and conferring with C.I.A. officials about how to overhaul the security services of the Palestinian leader, Yasir Arafat. Mr. Suleiman also traveled to the occupied West Bank last week to get a progress report on how Mr. Arafat was implementing those reforms.

Western officials here say that Egyptian intelligence officers have penetrated most of the Islamic fundamentalist groups that operate here.

Still, the Egyptian leader expressed strong concern that a rising tide of anti-Americanism and the unresolved Palestinian crisis would lead to an escalation of terrorism in the region and around the world.

"I am afraid of what's happening in the Middle East for the future," he said. "the seriousness of the situation" may "generate new kinds of terrorism against all of us, against the U.S., against Egypt, against Jordan."

7 posted on 06/03/2002 8:08:48 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
Right, we knew it had to be W's fault. After all, he hates this country, its people, and is right now planning more attacks on the U.S. through his operatives in Al-Queda. In fact, I'm sure the next 'warning' he gets and chooses to ignore will result in the death of his wife and kids. Why, I'll bet he's off putting rat poison in Spot's dog food right now. Everyone knows he's just that kinda guy and has a history of not giving a rip about threats to the country.
8 posted on 06/03/2002 8:09:28 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: DrLiberty
Of course it's the Bush Administration's fault. The Clinton Admin didn't know anything about this before Bush was elected. /sarcasm
9 posted on 06/03/2002 8:11:34 PM PDT by rintense
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
True citizens WANT THE TRUTH!

They QUESTION THEIR GOVERNMENT!

They DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING AN AMERICAN OFFICIAL SAYS!

they also AREN'T AFRAID TO ACCUSE LEADERS OF CRIMES, INCLUDING TREASON!

Last, but not least, they aren't afraid of bullies who would dare question their patriotism!

10 posted on 06/03/2002 8:11:41 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: anniegetyourgun
You are so right. I'd trust the Egyptians over President Bush anyday. Ha.
11 posted on 06/03/2002 8:12:27 PM PDT by rintense
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To: DrLiberty
Amen!
12 posted on 06/03/2002 8:12:37 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: DrLiberty
I told Bush himself that there were 20 hijackers that were planning on destroying the WTC, the Pentagon, and the White House. I gave them names, numbers and plan of attack. It's true. I swear it on Bill Clinton's grave. I got it all from a conversation I picked up over a set of tin can telephones.
13 posted on 06/03/2002 8:13:14 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: tet68
You want me to believe anything that comes out of Egypt?

Get a grip!

Fortunately, it matters little what you believe. What matters is that those who can act rationally consider available evidence on its merits. This includes information from Egypt, if and when available. Acting like a reactionary dope with head-buried-in-sand solves nothing.

14 posted on 06/03/2002 8:13:21 PM PDT by captain11
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To: DrLiberty
Yet another crack in the dam of the government's credibility. What say ye now, apologists?

WTH do you mean by that? What credibility does Egypt have?

15 posted on 06/03/2002 8:13:47 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: anniegetyourgun
Sic'em darlin!
16 posted on 06/03/2002 8:14:12 PM PDT by tet68
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To: DrLiberty
Knowing "something" bad might be gonna happen, sometime. What good does that do? It doesn't really help since the number of possible targets is so huge and varied as are the different kinds of possible attacks. Warnings like this circulate around all the time, anyway.

I think people generally know that and that's why Bush's ratings have not suffered.

17 posted on 06/03/2002 8:14:50 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: DrLiberty
Then if you are truly looking to place BLAME like the other liberals, then look at the Clinton Administration! For Godsakes, how many frickin times does it need to be said that the actions of 9-11 can be directly linked to CLINTON'S failures! But I would expect you to over look that becauase I'm sure you hate Bush for some other thing he did. Trying to place the blame for 9-11 on Bush is just icing on the cake for you.
18 posted on 06/03/2002 8:14:59 PM PDT by rintense
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To: DrLiberty
Hang in there, DrL, I'm sure the lib/dems and our media folk will get to the bottom of this.
19 posted on 06/03/2002 8:15:33 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: DrLiberty
'They DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING AN AMERICAN OFFICIAL SAYS!

they also AREN'T AFRAID TO ACCUSE LEADERS OF CRIMES, INCLUDING TREASON!'

There's the rub. Disbelieving everything the gov't says or accusing our president of treason doesn't make you a patriot. Us ridiculing a most likely fabricated story is not unpatriotic.

20 posted on 06/03/2002 8:15:42 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: DrLiberty
The Egyptian president said his intelligence chiefs believed, based on the agent's information, that "something is going to happen in the U.S." or "to the United States, maybe inside the U.S., maybe in an airplane, maybe in embassies" outside the United States. "We couldn't know, we tried to know where, but this information" never reached them.

"Something was going to happen", eh? Man, it doesn't get any more specific than that!

/ sarcasm

21 posted on 06/03/2002 8:15:44 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: Iwentsouth
Also the money the Bush administration and Bush family gets from the Saudis is sure worth a lot more then American lives.

Yeah, Right!

22 posted on 06/03/2002 8:15:57 PM PDT by tet68
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To: DrLiberty
The Egyptian president said his intelligence chiefs believed, based on the agent's information, that "something is going to happen in the U.S." or "to the United States, maybe inside the U.S., maybe in an airplane, maybe in embassies" outside the United States. "We couldn't know, we tried to know where, but this information" never reached them.

What a warning. Yup, should have evacuated every tall office building in the country on this one. Grounded every commercial airliner. Closed all the malls. Cancelled Little League. Please.

23 posted on 06/03/2002 8:15:58 PM PDT by pettifogger
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To: anniegetyourgun
Bush, like his FATHER, and HIS father, is A GLOBALIST.

He believes in a New World Order that would mean an end to nations, human rights as defined under the constitution, and an enthronement of the United Nations and socialist rule.

How can I say this? By studying his background, the background of the elites behind the NWO, and BY MEASURING HIS WORDS VS HIS DEEDS.

Global warming, indeed (from his lips to Al Gore's ears)

24 posted on 06/03/2002 8:16:45 PM PDT by DrLiberty
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To: DrLiberty
So the government got a warning that a terrorist plot was in the final stages a week before 9/11. What did you expect Bush to do, shut down the entire country?
25 posted on 06/03/2002 8:17:17 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: captain11
What matters is that those who can act rationally consider available evidence on its merits.

Do you understand written English? It says right up there that Mubarak said HE didn't know how bad it was.

26 posted on 06/03/2002 8:17:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: tet68
Who? Little 'ol me? Gosh, and I was workin' so hard at my reputation as a sweet little FR pussycat.....
27 posted on 06/03/2002 8:18:07 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: rintense
Odd how it took 9 months before all this easy to find information comes to light. It's amazing what you can find when the media prints without verification.
28 posted on 06/03/2002 8:18:22 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: DrLiberty
'Bush, like his FATHER, and HIS father, is A GLOBALIST'

Of course. That's why we ned to vote for conservatives. But Bush was the best candidatew we had. Or do you propose we switch to a parlimentary system?

29 posted on 06/03/2002 8:18:32 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: DrLiberty
"We didn't know that such a thing could take place," [Mubarak] said, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks. "We thought it was an embassy, an airplane, something, the usual thing."

But, he added, to discover after the event that the terrorists were going to take airplanes and destroy buildings, "that is unbelievable."

'Nuff said. Egypt didn't "inform" us of squat.

31 posted on 06/03/2002 8:18:50 PM PDT by SunStar
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I posted the actual news story off the NY Times web site as a posting,it is only contained within the thread here.Apparently posting the actual story as a post of its own was improper?
32 posted on 06/03/2002 8:18:51 PM PDT by John W
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To: Dutch Boy
Exactly. I wonder why the Egyptians all of a sudden felt the need to admit this. Hummm...
33 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:08 PM PDT by rintense
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To: DrLiberty
Today, an Egyptian official, commenting on warnings about the Sept. 11 attacks, said, "There were indications that something was being prepared."

"There was information about some people planning an operation in the United States, against the United States, but you could not pinpoint where, how, when," the official said.


That's about as clear a statement as he could make.The Egyptians had received only GENERAL WARNINGS for pete's sake! A lot of good that is!

34 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:21 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: DrLiberty
Careful of the spin on this one...

"We didn't know that such a thing could take place," he said, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks. "We thought it was an embassy, an airplane, something, the usual thing."

This was just part of the 'chatter' that was heard throughout the summer. Timing is everything. The problem is what the press/RATS try to do with this. I have a feeling that Hosni was trying to show how Egypt is/was helping the US. The NY times is even a little apprehensive playing politics with this one... Drudge should stop trying to break into the National Enq's business.

35 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:22 PM PDT by max_rpf
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To: DrLiberty
THE WHOLE THING IS PURE BS
36 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:32 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: DrLiberty
Oh, this gives me a very queasy feeling. I have a relative who is high up in national security who absented himself from his desk at the Pentagon on the morning of 9-11-2001. How many others knew? It reminds me of all the BATF agents who took the day off in OK City the day the Fed building was blown up. Something is very wrong here.

GWB will be the scapegoat, but this whole plan was in motion a year before he took office. And many government agents, Clinton appointees, looked the other way or deliberately suppressed emergency warnings like the one from Mubarak.

37 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:37 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: DrLiberty
from his lips to Al Gore's ears

Some spot you got picked out for Algore! But, that's how I got you pegged right from the start.

38 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:44 PM PDT by tet68
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To: rintense
Um, but let's see. Even though there is a mountain of evidence pointing to failures surrounding Clinton's lives, it's time to "move on" and blame Bush! Yea, that's the ticket!
39 posted on 06/03/2002 8:19:58 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: SentryoverAmerica
I defintely wouldn't go that far....or anywhere near that....
40 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:17 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: DrLiberty
Yep....globalist, statist, NWO-type, Bilderburger, Illuminati, stupid and drunk frat boy. Can't you tell it's a giant government conspiracy? Or have they gotten to you too?
41 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:35 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: tet68
The Bush family has several ongoing business investments with the Saudis. In the past this included the Bin Laden familiy. Osama bin Laden still recieves money from the Bin Laden Group. It is a Saudi tradition to make sure a son's inheritance money gets to him somehow.
42 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:45 PM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: Dutch Boy
Odd how it took 9 months before all this easy to find information comes to light.

And it all comes out within 24 hours evidently.......LOL.

43 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:55 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Bogey78O
BRAVO! hehehehe!
44 posted on 06/03/2002 8:20:55 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: SamAdams76
This tread, and this article is just another mouth piece for some to rant.
45 posted on 06/03/2002 8:21:16 PM PDT by rintense
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To: DrLiberty
Uhh, hello! The United States Govt. gets threats and warnings EVERY DAY! You'd better do like Howard Hughes then!
46 posted on 06/03/2002 8:21:18 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: DrLiberty
Hind sight is always 2020. I don't think you can claim a loose, vague memo would have prevented anything. I think the Clinton/Jackson media are having a feild day in an attempt to get votes for Nov.2002.
47 posted on 06/03/2002 8:22:29 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: DrLiberty
NY TIMES -

That's as far as I read....

48 posted on 06/03/2002 8:22:46 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: TLBSHOW
How about this:
49 posted on 06/03/2002 8:22:48 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Iwentsouth
The Bush family has several ongoing business investments with the Saudis

Name them. With proof. And don't come back with anything except what the Bush family has direct investments with the Saudis with. None of this "They use the same broker" crap.

What investments do any of the Bush family have directly with the Saudis?

50 posted on 06/03/2002 8:22:48 PM PDT by Howlin
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