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Arab American Discrimination Committee (Live on C-SPAN- Now)
C-SPAN | 6/7/02 | Mom_Grandmother

Posted on 06/07/2002 11:43:02 AM PDT by Mom_Grandmother

ADC-AADC, Arab American Discrimination Committee

On C-SPAN Now-Live

Speaking now: David Cole

Georgetown University Law School Professor

Giving up Civil Liberties for Security, Deportation, Detainees, Targeting Arab Americans, Government overection to terrorism, ect.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adc; arabmuslims; civilrights

1 posted on 06/07/2002 11:43:02 AM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Mom_Grandmother
It seems to me that the assumption that our "cival" rights apply to non-citizens is a stretch. Our civil rights are a gift for non-citizens that can be revoked in exceptional situations.

I am certainly not in favor of internment camps, but I see no reason why non-citizens who break the even a minute law should not be invited to leave our country in a hurry.

I do not see that as a loss of civil rights.

We do not owe the world or its citizens a damn thing.

2 posted on 06/07/2002 11:48:49 AM PDT by eFudd
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To: eFudd
I agree, either submit to the new rules or exit stage left and take their @ss back to their Oasis in the Middle East.
3 posted on 06/07/2002 11:53:03 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: HELLRAISER II
either submit to the new rules or exit stage left and take their @ss back to their Oasis in the Middle East.

Amen brother! And if they don't like getting finger printed they can stay the hell home and save us all alot of trouble.

4 posted on 06/07/2002 11:58:33 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
I prefer the latter.
5 posted on 06/07/2002 11:59:36 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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"Arab Americans will not/cannot go through a Political Litmiss Test to prove we are loyal to America."(speaker)

Upset over security at Air Ports towards Arab Americans. They don't like to shakedown all other passengers are receiving, they seem to think it is only them this is happening to, I guess. They have the ACLU on their side to file law-suits.

6 posted on 06/07/2002 12:00:45 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Mom_Grandmother
They come to OUR country then bitch about it? If they don't like it, they are welcome to return to where we came from. I think that would be best for both parties.
7 posted on 06/07/2002 12:04:24 PM PDT by Godel
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To: Mom_Grandmother
If they are citizens of this country, then all procedural rights should apply.

If not, then tough noogies.

8 posted on 06/07/2002 12:04:36 PM PDT by eFudd
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Profiling on the highways: Inapporpriate behavior by officers. Hot line for victims of Hate Crimes.

Answering questions on issues now! Shocking and depressing.

When will the Courts step in and stop to it? Stand up to Ashcroft?

9 posted on 06/07/2002 12:04:38 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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Talking about Git-Mo prisoners and their lawyers.

It's important they choose their cases carfully.

Woman was stripped searched at airport, waiting for court to decide. Can non-citizen airport workers be fired?

10 posted on 06/07/2002 12:08:41 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Mom_Grandmother
I asked my mother how many German, Japanese and Italian "visitors" America received during World War II, and she said, "None." If someone has declared war on the United States, then I think it would behoove us all to be careful of those who have declared war and who sympathize with the those who have declared war. The visitors could be "Angels of Light" or something else disguised as "Angels of Light." It's time to wake up and get real.
11 posted on 06/07/2002 12:16:07 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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"Military Tribunals: Guilt by association, keep them locked up till the war is over, till no more terrorists left in the world, laughing!, keeping these people locked up for the rest of their lives, guilty or not." (Speaker)

Speaking out against the Patriot Act, getting together with ACLU and having part of the act eliminated. They do not want the Police working with the FBI.

Talking about their association with terrorists, guilt by association, and punishments they may face. Freezing of their assets because of this. Bases of evidence connecting them.

What it is to be "other than white", racial profiling. Airport again! Their not sitting Idle.

Human Rights in Freemont! Stopping Secret Evidence, releasing the names of detainees, stop interigations, Arab immagrants and South Asians.

Why we need to have the names revealed. If the names are kept secret, nobody knows who they are , where they are. Civil Liberties violations.

If the Attorney General has done something they can contact ACLU.org and report it.

12 posted on 06/07/2002 12:22:18 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Mom_Grandmother
6/5 to 6/6
Three flights (90 minutes each max.)
Five, count 'em five, body searches.

Mutant screener demanding an apology for screenee's attitude during Number five.

Victim, as with all others being screened at that time, is white, all were either oldish or pre-teen, and all apparently preselected by airline.

Of course I was also travelling with six other people, on government contract business, tickets bought by employer, and all dressed near identically; screener said I 'fit the profile".

Next time I pull my travel togs out of the hamper and wear a rag on my head, maybe I'll get through hassle free.

13 posted on 06/07/2002 12:23:01 PM PDT by norton
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To: Mom_Grandmother
Al Queda is NOT AN EQUAL OPORTUNITY EMPLOYER.
14 posted on 06/07/2002 12:24:09 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Mom_Grandmother
Ok. Just tell these Arabs that they are "dhimmi" in America and must also pay "jizya"(it does sound obscene), much as non Muslims must put up with in most Arab countries. Quid pro quo!
16 posted on 06/07/2002 12:28:42 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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ACLU Calls Latest Immigrant Tracking Scheme Discriminatory and Ineffective FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, June 5, 2002

"Selective enforcement of any law based on unchangeable characteristics like race, ethnicity or national origin is at its core un-American," he added.

"The fingerprinting and tracking proposal is only the latest Bush Administration action targeted at Muslims and people of Middle Eastern descent since September 11. Other discriminatory measures have included round-ups, dragnet questioning, the detention of more than a thousand young men and the targeting of Middle Eastern communities for heightened enforcement of minor immigration law violations."

17 posted on 06/07/2002 12:31:10 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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“By asking neighborhood groups to report on people who are ‘unfamiliar’ or who act in ways that are ‘suspicious’ or ‘not normal,’ our government is unconstructively fear-mongering, and fueling the already rampant ethnic and religious scapegoating,” said ACLU President Nadine Strossen.

I listened to President George Bush just yesterday ask us as citizens to report anything we thought was "suspicious". I think I'll take his advice and err on the side of it being nothing, that way, I'll not wonder the rest of my life if I saw something that should have been reported.

18 posted on 06/07/2002 12:40:04 PM PDT by Mom_Grandmother
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To: eFudd
Not only is the assumption that our civil rights apply to non-citizens a stretch, but I find it highly ironic that these towelheads are demanding "rights" in this country that NO ONE enjoys in any of their countries of origin, rights which, if asserted over there in their backward and flea-bitten regimes, would result in a quick and brutal beating, if not death.

They left their miserable hellhole countries to come here. If they don't like the way we do things, they can go home. The ultimate solution to all of this is to stop issuing visas and give the ones who are here about 10 days to pack up and leave the country. Those who don't will be in volation of our laws, rounded up and arrested. They want to live in our country (if not take it over) and participate in our economy, but they want to bring their old, bad bloodstained habits over here and impose them on us. They can shut up and hunker down, or they can get out. Remember the Battle of Lepanto

19 posted on 06/07/2002 1:04:07 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: eFudd
It seems to me that the assumption that our "civil" rights apply to non-citizens is a stretch. Our civil rights are a gift for non-citizens that can be revoked in exceptional situations.

Rights and freedoms can not be a gift. They (rights and freedoms) belong to every individual since the moment of birth. Rights may be recognized by states/government authorities, temporary restricted or constantly violated by them - depending on the nature of the state and/or specific situation.

World-wide organizations (with well known ethnic and religious base) openly declared and started a war against other countries, and this war is clearly based on the religious (and ethnic) differences. Who cares that those organizations are not (if they are not!) States? They have well-organized infrastructure, budget, underground armies, intelligence, recruiting system (name more).

Under conditions of a war, rights of certain groups may and shall be restricted. BTW, 9/11 events give much more reasons for harsh actions against arabs and other muslims living in USA than Pearl Harbor provided for repressions against Americans of Japanese origin.

We do not owe the world or its citizens a damn thing.

This is not about " owe or not owe". This is simple legal issue of rights restrictions under the war conditions.

20 posted on 06/07/2002 1:24:09 PM PDT by Alexandre
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To: Mom_Grandmother
I'm really sick of minority whining.The reason America is in it's current state is because it DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE!
22 posted on 06/07/2002 3:10:54 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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Actually it is reverse discrimination by the RATSs and RINOs on America's core principle which is primarily based on the Puritan Protestant Ethic. Oliver Cromwell saved the English from imploding laying the foundation for its greatest creative phase culminating in the Empire. The followers who immigrated to America were able to create their Republican ideal more perfectly in the New World as we can see that the USA is currently top of the world and is still the land of the free. But for how long as the PC subversives pander to anti-Christian, anti-English, anti-Constitution, etc. minority elements without a care for the future other than making it a garbge dump for parasites to thrive under the guise of globalization and multiculturalism.
23 posted on 06/07/2002 5:09:13 PM PDT by TransOxus
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
About an hour ago a neighbor called to tell us someone had tried to break into a car parked at her house - in four PM daylight.
The car belonged to a kid helping to clean the garage after the caller's husband had died.

When my answerservicesocialplannerladyfriend asked for a description the caller couldn't bring herself to use color, shade, hair style, or type of attire (color of clothes was OK) in her response.

Good, the perp is about 20, not tall, wearing mostly black or dark blue, and male.
That'll certainly help the police - if the neighbor bothers to call them.

Is there such a thing as "un-profiling"?

24 posted on 06/07/2002 5:14:45 PM PDT by norton
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To: Mom_Grandmother
I'm not talking about taking Americans of middle eastern ancestry and putting them in camps. I'm not talking about rounding up Americans and holding them indefinitely without cause for questioning. I'm talking about curtailing travel from middle eastern countries for the forseeable future, until we are in a position to better protect ourselves. Obviously, we need better systems in place, and until they are, we don't need the added burden of trying to screen recent arrivals. We need to make sure those who are already here are here legally. All anybody is asking for is reasonableness in the face of a really horrific threat. The rule of law doesn't have to be suspended, but honestly, I can't understand why anyone would object (even if they felt it was because they were of middle eastern background) to cooperating in the attempt to keep our country safe. It's their home, too. I just don't get the incredible reluctance to help. If asked, I'd help in any way I could.

I'm perplexed by their failure to put as much distance between themselves and the extremists which brings me to my final point. I'd like, I mean really, really like, to believe that what happened on September 11 was a case of 19 guys with more hormones than brains who got lucky, but I can't. I'd like to think that Osama bin Ladin is sleeping with his ancestors (I actually think he is) and there aren't 10,000 more waiting to stand in his shoes, but I can't. I'd like, truly like, to believe that Islam is peaceful monotheism without an alter-ego agenda to take over the world, but I'm rapidly reaching the conclusion it isn't. Until we can safeguard our citizenry, protect our way of life, stabilize our borders, account for those who are here but are not citizens, then I think we have to use all available means (within the bounds of human decency and respect for all) to get things in order. It sounds like the INS, FBI, CIA, Justice Department, military and other systems in place to protect us have suffered enormously. It took us a while after Pearl Harbor, too, but brother did we make a come back. I do truly, really, really believe we will do so here and come out victorious.

25 posted on 06/07/2002 8:01:56 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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