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Suspected Serial Killer is Found Hanged in Jail
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 7/11/02 | Bill Bryan

Posted on 06/11/2002 6:21:08 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Maury Troy Travis, accused of killing two women and linked by court documents to the deaths of five more, was found dead Monday night in his cell at the St. Louis County jail in Clayton, sources said.

A 10th (victim) was found May 25 when the letter to the Post-Dispatch led police to a skeleton in the West Alton area of St. Charles County."The letter was critical to our case," Hegger said.


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I thought it was interesting how they caught the guy. Nice of him to take save the state some money by carrying out his own death penalty.
1 posted on 06/11/2002 6:21:09 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Good. One less piece of scum that we have to provide for in prison. Thanks pal.
2 posted on 06/11/2002 6:24:03 AM PDT by DJ88
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
I thought it was interesting how they caught the guy.

Really! Tracing Expedia.com maps? Jeez...

3 posted on 06/11/2002 6:24:16 AM PDT by Ratatoskr
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Personally I don't understand why states take steps to prevent those accused of convicted of capital crimes from killing themselves.

-Eric

4 posted on 06/11/2002 6:25:11 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Clintons Are White Trash; MeeknMing
Excellent! I love it when criminals carry out their own execution.
5 posted on 06/11/2002 6:31:25 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Not sad news, but sad for the families of the victims that they won't watch him die by execution, or hear his reasons for what he did. At least they can piss on his grave.
6 posted on 06/11/2002 6:31:48 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Police determined that a map accompanying the letter had been downloaded from the Expedia.com Web site; investigators with federal subpoenas traced it to Travis' home computer.

Proving once again that anonymous websurfing is a myth.

7 posted on 06/11/2002 6:39:28 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: E Rocc
Personally I don't understand why states take steps to prevent those accused of convicted of capital crimes from killing themselves.

The problem is in separating genuine suicides from "suicides" arranged by Correctional Officers and/or the Police. Without extra efforts to keep things under control, the slide to extrajudicial death squads is slippery and steep.

8 posted on 06/11/2002 6:53:31 AM PDT by MirrorField
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To: MirrorField
nothing wrong with "extra-judicial" deaths. bring them on.
9 posted on 06/11/2002 7:06:54 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
MapQuest is a source of evidence for murder charges? Yikes.
10 posted on 06/11/2002 7:08:04 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I meant Expedia... but I use MapQuest.
11 posted on 06/11/2002 7:08:54 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
The only, and I mean ONLY down side to this is that if he killed more women and hadn't admitted it yet those victims will never be found.
12 posted on 06/11/2002 7:09:34 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Ratatoskr; Clintons Are White Trash
Tracing Expedia.com maps? Jeez...

The newest "weapon" in the War on Terrorism.


13 posted on 06/11/2002 7:15:13 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
We should make rope available in all cells. We could be on to something here.
14 posted on 06/11/2002 7:21:16 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: SpookBrat
>Excellent! I love it when criminals carry out their own execution.

You know, that's an interesting thought.

Perhaps every prison should have an array of options available 24/7: painless poisons, gallows, guillotines, shooting squads, etc.

If any prisoner wants to get out of his sentence, he should have ready access to these alternative exits...

(With all the academics out there wasting tax dollars on "studies," I'd like to see how much tax money such a system would save the US by thinning out the prison population along purely voluntary lines...)

-- KotS

15 posted on 06/11/2002 7:47:09 AM PDT by KissOfTheSith
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To: KissOfTheSith
I vote we send in Dr. Death himself to visit those "sick" in prison...I can't think of his name, but he's known as the suicide Dr. (is it Kavorkian?)
16 posted on 06/11/2002 7:53:05 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: contessa machiaveli
nothing wrong with "extra-judicial" deaths. bring them on

Do you work for the ATF or the FBI? You should. They feel exactly the same way. They decided to do away with those pesky Branch Davidians without bothering the court systems. Let me see if I can remember what the ATF applied the death penalty to 60+ people for. Yes, I rememeber - being accused of having an untaxed machine gun. Certaintly worth the death penalty in any facist police state.

17 posted on 06/11/2002 7:58:31 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Ratatoskr
Oh noooooooo they looked into his computer......can the ACLU be far behind with their lawsuits?
18 posted on 06/11/2002 7:58:35 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: KissOfTheSith
I'd like to see how much tax money such a system would save the US by thinning out the prison population along purely voluntary lines.

Plenty.

But doesn't this fly in the face of having the family enjoy the killer's suffering?

Death's a relief to plenty of these folks. Why not twist the knife with a life sentence of labor and no TV?

19 posted on 06/11/2002 7:59:03 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: E Rocc
Just because you are accused doe's not mean you are guilty. The best reason though would be the same used against assisted suicide. The govt. should not assist those in temporary mental duress in killing themselves. Were it only possible to read minds life would be easier.
20 posted on 06/11/2002 8:01:00 AM PDT by willyone
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To: KissOfTheSith
(With all the academics out there wasting tax dollars on "studies," I'd like to see how much tax money such a system would save the US by thinning out the prison population along purely voluntary lines...)

You don’t really think your government would let those newly unoccupied jail cells go empty would you?
No, my naive friend, new laws would be created, and new criminals would be discovered so that these jail cells would never go to waste, remember now prisons are big business for pork barrel politicians, doughnut eating LEOS and crooked lawyers.
Back to the books for you, maybe the academics you so readily scorn might still be able to teach you something.

21 posted on 06/11/2002 8:03:40 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: TightSqueeze
Most computers will store the last week or twos worth of browsing as well as all the image files that are viewed. This is simple police work to find these items; no great hacking skills are required.
22 posted on 06/11/2002 8:24:50 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: KissOfTheSith
I think all murderers, rapists and child molesters need to be executed. If the government won't take care of business and protect its citizens, we should not stop criminals from getting the job done.
23 posted on 06/11/2002 8:27:42 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: from occupied ga
To: contessa machiaveli
nothing wrong with "extra-judicial" deaths. bring them on

Do you work for the ATF or the FBI? You should. They feel exactly the same way. They decided to do away with those pesky Branch Davidians without bothering the court systems. Let me see if I can remember what the ATF applied the death penalty to 60+ people for. Yes, I rememeber - being accused of having an untaxed machine gun. Certaintly worth the death penalty in any facist police state. 17 by from occupied ga

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The government murdered the Branch Davidians,
ALL of the Davidian weapons were legal.

24 posted on 06/11/2002 8:48:33 AM PDT by exodus
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To: OldFriend
If the guy is guilty, I am glad he was caught and that he is dead. But I am getting scared to look things up on my computer. Plus my whole family uses my computer, and my kids are 18, 19, and 21. GOOD Kids but no telling what sites they look up. It is getting to where I would rather go to the local college computer lab to look things up with impunity. And I am a fat lazy boring old housewife! I do want the crooks caught. I want the killers executed or locked up forever. But I don't want the US Gov. looking into everything I do!
25 posted on 06/11/2002 8:55:42 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: exodus

Kiss for a job well done from a fellow commie.

26 posted on 06/11/2002 8:59:03 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: exodus
ALL of the Davidian weapons were legal.

I agree - I said that they were given the death penalty for being accused of have untaxed weapons.

27 posted on 06/11/2002 9:02:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: TightSqueeze
>You don’t really think your government would let those newly unoccupied jail cells go empty would you?

Well, you've got a point. And, now that the Feds can say that even citizens can be denied due process if they're accused of really, really bad things, (and even Freepers cheer the Feds on! -- see here: 'Dirty Bomb' Suspect Not Cooperating, Wolfowitz Says), I imagine prison space soon will be even more at a premium...

-- KotS

28 posted on 06/11/2002 9:04:05 AM PDT by KissOfTheSith
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To: George from New England
Most computers will store the last week or twos worth of browsing as well as all the image files that are viewed.

That's not what the article implies. They didn't know who he was; they found him by working backwards from Expedia. That's a whole lot different from having a suspect and verifying he'd downloaded a map by looking at his cache.

29 posted on 06/11/2002 9:04:37 AM PDT by Ratatoskr
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To: buffyt; OldFriend
To: OldFriend
If the guy is guilty, I am glad he was caught and that he is dead. But I am getting scared to look things up on my computer. Plus my whole family uses my computer, and my kids are 18, 19, and 21. GOOD Kids but no telling what sites they look up. It is getting to where I would rather go to the local college computer lab to look things up with impunity. And I am a fat lazy boring old housewife! I do want the crooks caught. I want the killers executed or locked up forever. But I don't want the US Gov. looking into everything I do!
# 25 by buffyt

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You have reason to be concerned.

I believe that the death penalty deters criminals,
but after seeing our government murder innocents,
and frame others for crimes they didn't commit,
I no longer trust a "guilty" verdict to be a valid measure of guilt.

30 posted on 06/11/2002 9:10:09 AM PDT by exodus
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To: buffyt
Kiss for a job well done from a fellow commie.
# 26 by buffyt

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Thanks, Comrade.

31 posted on 06/11/2002 9:12:45 AM PDT by exodus
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To: from occupied ga
"ALL of the Davidian weapons were legal. " - exodus
I agree -
I said that they were given the death penalty for being accused of have untaxed weapons.
# 27 by from occupied ga

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I knew your feelings on the Waco murders, from occupied ga.
I just had to speak up again about the corruption of our government.

I still can't believe that government agents killed all those people on national television, and not only got away with it, but got promotions for following their illegal orders.

32 posted on 06/11/2002 9:23:06 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Ratatoskr; George from New England
To: George from New England
Most computers will store the last week or twos worth of browsing as well as all the image files that are viewed.

That's not what the article implies. They didn't know who he was; they found him by working backwards from Expedia . That's a whole lot different from having a suspect and verifying he'd downloaded a map by looking at his cache.
# 29 by Ratatoskr

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Which means that Expedia keeps a record of citizens who use their site,
and what the citizen does on the site,
and provides those records to government agents.

Fine, in this case they caught a killer.
Still, I don't trust this weapon in the hands of corrupt men.

33 posted on 06/11/2002 9:40:07 AM PDT by exodus
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To: contessa machiaveli
nothing wrong with "extra-judicial" deaths. bring them on

Pray that you never find yourself in custody, knowing too many things that would make you "inconvenient" to powerful politicians. Pray hard.

34 posted on 06/11/2002 9:48:33 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
And he did it before the bleeding hearts in the abolitionist crowd and the ACLU could intervene. Now that's what I call summary justice!
35 posted on 06/11/2002 9:52:37 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Dog Gone
Proving once again that anonymous websurfing is a myth.

Whenever you surf, the web server you connect to will log your IP address, what web page you asked for, and the time. In the map request, you ask for a specific address to print a map for, with that address printed on the map. So all they had to do was scan the logs for who got a map of that address, and trace back who's got that IP address

Most people also aren't aware that your location can be traced by your cell phone, even if you're not in the process of making a call (the phone system needs to keep track of which cell antenna you're closest to, so it can route incoming phone calls to you. Once the cops know approximately where you are, there's equiptment that will let them home in on your particular cell phone)

36 posted on 06/11/2002 9:56:23 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: E Rocc
It is not unheard of for a mentally disturbed suspect to commit suicide upon facing his first or even subsequent periods of incarceration.

Defendants who subsequently -- and posthumously -- were cleared of any offense have died before they could receive treatment for the condition that may have led to their erroneously being booked and held as suspects.

The guy in this case was awaiting trial and under the law was considered innocent until proven otherwise. As for correctly convicted killers......

37 posted on 06/11/2002 9:57:12 AM PDT by tracer
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
"Suspected Serial Killer is Found Hanged in Jail"

I love a happy ending!

38 posted on 06/11/2002 10:07:43 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
Don't we all? The irony is more murderers die behind bars of old age than are ever executed.
39 posted on 06/11/2002 10:09:08 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"...At least they can piss on his grave..."

One should never underestimate the ENORMOUS therapeutic value of this simple, symbolic act...

Especially when you've had the opportunity to promise the SOB that you'd do exactly that to them before they died.

Trust me on this...

40 posted on 06/11/2002 10:56:08 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
My pc friends would call me heartless but I say he should have done this long before he did it to those others. He finally did the right thing.
41 posted on 06/11/2002 10:58:40 AM PDT by OfByForThePeople
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To: Askel5
But doesn't this fly in the face of having the family enjoy the killer's suffering?

Family enjoyment is not the purpose of punishment. I would think that families of murder victims probably do not view the incarceration of the murderers as adding to the families' enjoyment. Death's a relief to plenty of these folks. Why not twist the knife with a life sentence of labor and no TV?

I would say rather that the execution of the murderer is probably a relief to the murder victims' families. After all, why should the murdere be allowed to take another breath, to look at the night sky, or for that matter, to experience anything whatever on this earth when the victim has been robbed of all those things.

And I add that if the murderer dies in his sins, unjustified and unforgiven, death and Hell will be no relief to him.

I don't believe in prisons anymore. If a crime worthy of death is committed then execute the perpetrator. If it's a crime not worthy of death, make the criminal pay restitution several times over. If they don't have enough take whatever they have and exile them. If it's none of the above, then it probably isn't a crime in the first place. There is no reason to warehouse all these criminals, except pretrial in jails like the brand spanking new one in St. Louis County.

Cordially,

42 posted on 06/11/2002 11:19:35 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: tracer
I agree with the innocent until proven guilty theory, but when he was taken into custody and his home searched they found plenty of evidence, plus they had matched his DNA to 2 other murders recently committed.

The news reports don't go into detail, but these women were held captive in his home and tortured before they were murdered and dumped.

On a side note, this man and I believe all of his victims were black. I think statistically this is highly unusual in that most serial killers are white men if I'm not mistaken.

43 posted on 06/11/2002 11:33:56 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash
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To: Bikers4Bush; Clintons Are White Trash
The only, and I mean ONLY down side to this is that if he killed more women and hadn't admitted it yet those victims will never be found.

What I want to know is, why would he have tipped the cops off to that one victim?

44 posted on 06/11/2002 11:36:25 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
"Nice of him to take save the state some money by carrying out his own death penalty."

Yep. No trial. No whining lawyers. No appeals. No whining lawyers. No candlelight vigils held by psycho-sympathizers. No whining lawyers...

...And many families have some kind of closure. I suppose he killed himself because the police weren't following the case quite the way he wanted, and so he figured he'd give himself a name by ensuring we never now exactly how many, or whom or where, he killed. Still, one less on the streets.

45 posted on 06/11/2002 11:43:33 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"At least they can piss on his grave."

...That too.

46 posted on 06/11/2002 11:57:16 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: contessa machiaveli
Until you happen to be their target.
47 posted on 06/11/2002 12:24:57 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: princess leah
Kevorkian, yes.
48 posted on 06/11/2002 12:27:25 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: Ratatoskr
Since the guy printed the web page, it would have included a token (a string of numbers sometimes called a key) that would have identified the page. The need for this token is so that future navigation (zoom in/out, pan up/down, etc) can reference the same map.

It would then be a trivial event to go to a suspect's computer and look through the web cache for that token. Get a hit and you've bagged your man.

49 posted on 06/11/2002 12:30:09 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
There are a few here who are to busy going into shaking hysterics mode to listen to reason. I can think of three easy, old fashioned methods of tracing the Expedia hit to his particular cumputer, which have nothing to do with government spying on citizens...and most likely, one of those three was used to trace his system and the other used to confirm it.
50 posted on 06/11/2002 1:06:57 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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