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Yoffie rejected Lewin's reference to Amalek as a possible justification for killing innocents. He argued that for nearly 2,000 years talmudic sages and other rabbinic commentators have argued that the lessons of Amalek could not be applied to contemporary times. In an article that appeared in the Sh'ma journal alongside Lewin's essay, Brandeis University Jewish studies professor Arthur Green wrote, "I only wonder how long it will take [Lewin], by the force of this proof-text, to go all the way and suggest that the Palestinian nation as a whole has earned the fate of Amalek."

Dershowitz and Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, rejected the notion that Lewin should be elbowed out of communal life. They argued that his proposal represented a legitimate attempt to forge a policy for stopping terrorism. Foxman declined to take a stand on the actual proposal, citing his policy of deferring to Jerusalem on Israeli security issues.

Isn't this why King Saul had failed G-d,because he failed to kill every living Amalekite being?Can we continue Old Testament policies in New Testament times?This is what needs to be addressed because a concubine or two would be refreshing.
1 posted on 06/11/2002 7:46:36 AM PDT by Aleksandar Vojvoda
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Considering most Palestinians supports homocide bombings of Israeli women, babies, old people, whatever, one Jewish person saying the same, except at least sparing the families if they renounce terrorism, is really no big deal.
2 posted on 06/11/2002 7:59:31 AM PDT by scratchgolfer
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Harsh, but I wholeheartedly agree. The suicide bombing has got to be stopped. If they are allowed to have whatever they are demanding under threat of suicide bombings, you will see such incidents here and who knows where else.
3 posted on 06/11/2002 8:01:54 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
After the Black September killings of Israeli athletes in Munich back in the early 70's, Isreali Prime Minister Golda Mier (sp) ordered the Israeli security forces to kill the families of the assassins.

They did. The assassinations stopped for some time.

The families of the homicide bombers aren't innocent; they accept blood money for their so-called martyrs after the bombings. In essence, a family member dies, the family gets glory, and lots of money from the Arabs.

I see nothing wrong with blowing away a supporting family that has been rewarded for a family member who has blown away innocent Israelis or other enemy of Islam.

4 posted on 06/11/2002 8:02:33 AM PDT by doxteve
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Dershowitz argued that the same level of deterrence could be achieved by leveling the villages of suicide bombers after the residents had been given a chance to evacuate

Works for me. As long as the muslims are evacuated out of Israel. This would be a good way to depopulate the nation of muslims!

6 posted on 06/11/2002 8:13:33 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
The US Constitution specifically forbids "the corruption of blood" which is what this proposal is called. You say this mouthpiece is a "top lawyer". In what country?
8 posted on 06/11/2002 8:15:39 AM PDT by NetValue
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
We need to do whatever it takes to stop Arab freaks from butchering innocents NOW. We keep thinking the same tired ineffective tactics will work but they won't.

The terrorists laugh at our stupidity, just as the colonists must have laughed at the British who refused to engage in guerilla warfare or shoot officers. General Sherman realized that war was about breaking your opponants will as much as anything else.

It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face...And you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces...Seems a thousand centuries ago...We went into a camp to innoculate the children. We left the camp after we had innoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every innoculated arm. There they were in a pile...A pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried... I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I I was shot...Like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought: My God...the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we.

Colonal Kurtz (Marlon Brando) - Apocalypse Now

9 posted on 06/11/2002 8:15:51 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
At some point, it has to occur to Sharon and company that the palis, messed up as they are, are simply being used, and that the attentions of the Israeli military needs to be turned towards the fools pulling the strings and bankrolling all the BS.
12 posted on 06/11/2002 8:19:04 AM PDT by medved
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
nothing like a little good ol Genocide hey?...move over Adolph you have some company!
16 posted on 06/11/2002 8:29:14 AM PDT by arly
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
I've thought for a long time that those cretins celebrating their kid's homicide bombing should be liquidated. Yasser's $25,000 blood money would not do them much good then, and it would tend to deter other would-be families of homicide bombers.
17 posted on 06/11/2002 8:31:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Here's a way to strike at the families of terrorists without killing innocents. Announce that for every Israeli killed, Israel will take three (or five or ten, pick a number) children. These will be kids under the age of six. They will be adopted out to religious Christians and Jews to be raised in those faiths. Then you sterilize every relative of the killer out to second cousins. (Maybe it would be psychologically more effective to just sterilize the male relatives ....) The killer's bloodline would thus live on only in a different religion, and the jihadists would be sentencing their own youngest relatives to become (1) infidels and (2) targets of the next jihadist.
20 posted on 06/11/2002 8:37:58 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
Target the schools and mosques and then...


How yet resolves the governor of the town?
This is the latest parle we will admit;
Therefore to our best mercy give yourselves;
Or like to men proud of destruction
Defy us to our worst: for, as I am a soldier,
A name that in my thoughts becomes me best,
If I begin the battery once again,
I will not leave the half-achieved Harfleur
Till in her ashes she lie buried.
The gates of mercy shall be all shut up,
And the flesh'd soldier, rough and hard of heart,
In liberty of bloody hand shall range
With conscience wide as hell, mowing like grass
Your fresh-fair virgins and your flowering infants.
What is it then to me, if impious war,
Array'd in flames like to the prince of fiends,
Do, with his smirch'd complexion, all fell feats
Enlink'd to waste and desolation?
What is't to me, when you yourselves are cause,
If your pure maidens fall into the hand
Of hot and forcing violation?
What rein can hold licentious wickedness
When down the hill he holds his fierce career?
We may as bootless spend our vain command
Upon the enraged soldiers in their spoil
As send precepts to the leviathan
To come ashore. Therefore, you men of Harfleur,
Take pity of your town and of your people,
Whiles yet my soldiers are in my command;
Whiles yet the cool and temperate wind of grace
O'erblows the filthy and contagious clouds
Of heady murder, spoil and villany.
If not, why, in a moment look to see
The blind and bloody soldier with foul hand
Defile the locks of your shrill-shrieking daughters;
Your fathers taken by the silver beards,
And their most reverend heads dash'd to the walls,
Your naked infants spitted upon pikes,
Whiles the mad mothers with their howls confused
Do break the clouds, as did the wives of Jewry
At Herod's bloody-hunting slaughtermen.
What say you? will you yield, and this avoid,
Or, guilty in defence, be thus destroy'd?

26 posted on 06/11/2002 9:13:55 AM PDT by Theophilus
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
I can see it now. The family says what the hell, so instead of 1 suicide bomber, you'll have the whole family attack at once to avoid the execution.
27 posted on 06/11/2002 9:14:55 AM PDT by Jzen
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To: Aleksandar Vojvoda
I congratulate Nathan Lewin's common sense recommendation for dealing with homicidal savages. The Talmud reminds us that he who is merciful to the cruel will ensure the cruel will be cruel to the merciful. Its time to put the Godfathers of terrorism out of business once and for all.
35 posted on 06/11/2002 10:52:50 AM PDT by goldstategop
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