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Pittsburgh bans gun sales in some neighborhoods
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | June 12, 2002 | Timothy McNulty

Posted on 06/12/2002 10:01:48 AM PDT by buzzyboop

Pittsburgh City Council approved zoning changes this morning to prohibit gun sales in some city neighborhoods.

Council voted 6-1 with two abstentions to disallow gun sales in all so-called "local neighborhood commercial" districts, including Murray Avenue in Squirrel Hill, Liberty Avenue in Bloomfield, Carson Street in the South Side, portions of Wylie Avenue in the Hill District and many other smaller business districts citywide.

Licensed gun dealers would still be allowed to locate in several other industrially zoned districts, including Downtown, riverfront districts in the North Side and the Strip District, Penn Avenue in Larimer, the Route 51 corridor and much of East Liberty.

Existing gun dealers with current occupancy permits would not be affected by the change, even if they are located in neighborhood districts. It would only affect new gun dealers who want to locate their retail, wholesale or mail-order businesses in the city.

Councilman Bob O'Connor -- who has sponsored gun safety legislation in the past -- voted against the change, saying it could drive away business and offend the National Rifle Association.

"Let's not restrict [gun dealers] so much, so people go to Homestead or Robinson Township to buy their hunting equipment. . . I don't want the NRA calling and saying 'Why don't you favor gun sales?'"

Barbara Burns and Twanda Carlisle abstained from voting.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; epa; guns; gunsales; pittsburgh
Not only does this measure offend the NRA, but it offends all of us... what a crock.
1 posted on 06/12/2002 10:01:49 AM PDT by buzzyboop
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To: buzzyboop
How many businesses will this affect? Do they care?
2 posted on 06/12/2002 10:05:50 AM PDT by hoosierboy
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To: bang_list
This is explicit discrimination, and should be worth a lawsuit. It also shows the incrementalist approach taken by the gun grabbers: grandfather things that already exist, but ban them in the future. After a generation or three, everybody grandfathered is dead, and a total ban stands in their place.
3 posted on 06/12/2002 10:11:51 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: buzzyboop
This idiotic. With Pittsburgh's high crime rate it's obvious they need more guns. Every man woman and child should be required to carry.
4 posted on 06/12/2002 10:12:41 AM PDT by JHawker
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To: coloradan
Anyone familiar with the neighborhoods in question? Are they in minority neighborhoods? A little racism perhaps?
5 posted on 06/12/2002 10:21:36 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: buzzyboop
Councilman Bob O'Connor -- who has sponsored gun safety legislation in the past -- voted against the change, saying it could drive away business and offend the National Rifle Association.

The odd thing about this is that O'Connor in the past wanted the city to jump on the gun lawsuit bandwagon.

6 posted on 06/12/2002 10:25:24 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: TheDon
Anyone familiar with the neighborhoods in question? Are they in minority neighborhoods? A little racism perhaps?

The Hill is a black neighborhood. Carson Street is the weekend hangout for adult beverages.

7 posted on 06/12/2002 10:26:57 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: buzzyboop
This is nothing new, cities have been zoning the location of businesses with little objection for decades.
8 posted on 06/12/2002 10:28:58 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: TheDon
Actually, Squirrel Hill is one of the most affluent neighborhoods in Pittsburgh. Bloomfield is Pittsburgh's "Little Italy," and the South Side is a bar crawl/college kids neighborhood (interspersed with some long-time, middle class residents). The Hill District is the only neighborhood mentioned that is subject to urban blight.

What actually struck me is that the areas where gun sales are still allowed are some of the worst neighborhoods in town (Larimer, North Side, etc.). I sense that this might be yuppie-driven -- out of sight, out of mind...

9 posted on 06/12/2002 10:31:20 AM PDT by ellery
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To: TheDon;Hacksaw
These neighborhoods run the ethnic gamut, so to speak. Of course, your average gangbanger isn't buying his weapon from a licensed dealer anyway, so this action is lacking in substance (as is typical for the Pittsburgh city council). By the way, after I participated in a charity golf thing and observed Bob O'Connor cheating, I decided he was even less trustworthy than before! (Right vote in this case, Bob, but for the wrong reasons).
10 posted on 06/12/2002 10:33:53 AM PDT by mountaineer
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11 posted on 06/12/2002 10:34:10 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: buzzyboop,knighthawk
Big time steamrolling of the Bill of Rights.

Move your business and you can still sell guns.

12 posted on 06/12/2002 10:34:24 AM PDT by AmericanCheeseFood
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To: buzzyboop
This is so illegal that it's not even funny. The Commonwealth has a law which forbids municipalities from making gun laws. This would get slapped down.

SD

13 posted on 06/12/2002 10:34:25 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: buzzyboop
Not only does this measure offend the NRA, but it offends all of us...

The quote was made to be published and confrontational. But more importantly, it shows that the NRA is a power to be dealt with. As such, while I am offened at the tone, I am pleased about the recognition of the NRA as a force to be dealt with.

14 posted on 06/12/2002 10:35:38 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: JHawker
Do you have a link to the statistics for those high crime rates?
15 posted on 06/12/2002 10:39:55 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: buzzyboop;*Pittsburgh;Pittsburgh
To the Bumplist...
16 posted on 06/12/2002 10:48:24 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: coloradan
This is explicit discrimination, and should be worth a lawsuit.

I wonder myself how the city can get away with excluding a paticular type of retail store. I guess they just throw out the same mumbo jumbo that cities do when they try to exclude retail stores that sell adult movies and paraphanelia.

17 posted on 06/12/2002 10:56:46 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Hacksaw
Incrementalism. Unfortunately, this would appear to be allowed by the Ashcroft approach.....they'll recognize an individual right, but then allow municipalities to infringe it as "allowable" regulation (out of existence).

And now SCOTUS has refused to hear Emerson.... the local paper interpreted it as a stare decisis endorsement of Miller (1939).

18 posted on 06/12/2002 11:03:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: buzzyboop
Remember when you could smoke on an airplane, but "only in the rear"? Then, only on flights of 3 hours or more? Then only on international flights? Then only in the terminal? Then only in certain sections of the terminal? Then only ouside the terminal?

Classic incrementalism. This "partial" ban won't solve their problems, and they know it. Then, they can say that they need to extend the ban. Daley's doing it in Chicago as we speak, trying now to get the suburbs to ban the sale of guns.

19 posted on 06/12/2002 11:53:34 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Hacksaw
The odd thing about this is that O'Connor in the past wanted the city to jump on the gun lawsuit bandwagon.

Perhaps he learned his lesson.

20 posted on 06/12/2002 12:03:15 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: AmericanCheeseFood
At least you people are allowed to have guns. Here in the Netherlands you got no right to self-defence, just the right to be mugged or raped.
21 posted on 06/12/2002 2:28:45 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: coloradan
--someone from Commiefornia can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is about the same legislative technique that has wiped out every firearms dealership in Oakland and it took lots less than three generations--
22 posted on 06/12/2002 3:16:54 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: buzzyboop
My letter to the editor was published in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette about this and I got an Anthrax threat!

http://www.2asisters.net/pa/we stpa.htm#anthraxthreat



I also sent letters to each of the council members and find it rather interesting that Twanda Carlisle abstained, since this was her reply to me:


----Original Message Follows----

From: "Zimmer,Jeremy"

To: "'pa_coord@2asisters.org'"

Subject: FW: District 9 Webpage Feedback

Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:04 -0400

My response is one that I know the NRA will not like however I do not

want

any gun sales in the 9th district - it's easy enough for these young

people

to get guns what make it any easier.

Twanda




23 posted on 07/01/2002 9:24:02 PM PDT by pasaster
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To: TheDon
http://www.2asisters.net/pa/we stpa.htm

Some of them are and some of the aren't. Squirrel Hill - mostly upscale, Jewish; Carson St on South Side - Yuppie; Hill District and Bloomfield - low income, minorities.

District Maps and links to the reps for those areas: http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa. us/council/html/map_of_distric ts.html
Gun ban directly affects: Murray Avenue in Squirrel Hill (Zone 8), Liberty Avenue in Bloomfield (Zone 4), Carson Street on the South Side (Zone 3), portions of Wylie Avenue in the Hill District (Zone 6) and many other smaller business districts citywide.

From Twanda Carlisle - Councilwoman for District 9 (extremely high crime area)

----Original Message Follows----

From: "Zimmer, Jeremy"

To: "'pa_coord@2asisters.org'"

Subject: FW: District 9 Webpage Feedback

Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:04 -0400

My response is one that I know the NRA will not like however I do not

want

any gun sales in the 9th district - it's easy enough for these young

people

to get guns what make it any easier.

Twanda


24 posted on 07/01/2002 9:33:13 PM PDT by pasaster
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To: buzzyboop
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25 posted on 07/01/2002 9:35:19 PM PDT by timestax
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To: SoothingDave
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26 posted on 07/02/2002 6:45:07 AM PDT by timestax
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To: Robert357
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27 posted on 07/02/2002 7:43:23 AM PDT by timestax
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28 posted on 07/02/2002 11:48:01 AM PDT by timestax
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29 posted on 07/03/2002 8:11:03 AM PDT by timestax
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