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Arab Christian Clergymen Against Western Christians, Jews, and Israel (Translated Article)
MEMRI Translated from A selection of articles Listed below. | May 1, 2002 | MEMRI Editorial Translation Staff May 31, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 1:38:19 PM PDT by vannrox

Arab Christian Clergymen Against Western Christians, Jews, and Israel

Against the backdrop of the standoff at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, several Arab Christian clergymen - including some heads of various churches - condemned Christians in the West, particularly those in the U.S., as well as Jews and Israel. The following is a review of recent statements made by Arab Christian clergy:

Attacks on Christians in the West
Father Manuel Musalam, head of the Latin Church in Gaza, told Palestinian Authority television, "Had we lived in the days when the Church was a [real] Church that controls the world - a Crusader war crueler than the Crusader wars of the past would have been waged [against Israel]… Where is Christianity?!… We called upon them: 'Save Jesus.' But it appears that the Christians [in the West] have no connection to us… We told the Christians in the West: In Afghanistan, you moved heaven and earth to protect the Buddha statue; in your belief and ours, Bethlehem and the Church of the Nativity are much greater than a Buddha statue…"

"Therefore I, the Christian Palestinian, say in all rage and daring to the Christians of the world: You are loathsome! You are contemptible! You are cowards! – because you cannot carry the message of Jesus in your hearts. The message of Jesus is one of love, sacrifice, mercy, life, and manhood, and these Christians of the world have no mercy, no compassion, no manliness, no sacrifice. I do not mean only towards us, but even towards the Jews, as not only do the Jews kill us – we also kill them, because we are in a war of self-defense…"

"We – and I say this brutally, because he who remains silent is Satan – are facing the filthy Christians of the West… We hear that the American Congress is demanding that Bush unleash Israel to slaughter the Palestinians. What kind of Christian is this?! This is not Christianity; it is not even paganism. This is Christianity of the jungle. Our New Testament is not their New Testament, our Jesus is not their Jesus, our [Church of the] Nativity is not their [Church of the] Nativity, and our peace is not their peace. I will say still more: Our God is not their God…"[1]

Father Musalam voiced similar sentiments at a meeting between heads of church in Gaza City and a delegation of Muslim clerics from the Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Religious Endowments:

"The Western Christian, without love, tolerance, truth, and justice in his heart, must cast away his New Testament. The New Testament and Christianity are innocent of that [Western Christian]. If I were the head of the church where the American president Bush worships, and he came to pray, I would bar him from entering, because he has renounced the church's moral standards."[2]

During the same meeting, Bishop Alex, head of the Roman Orthodox Bishopric of Gaza, said, "Real Christianity means love and harmony, and it exists only in Palestine and the Holy Land. In contrast, Western Christianity is false. Anyone who claims he is a Christian but has no love or tolerance in his heart is no Christian."[3]

Condemnations of Protestantism and the American political leadership were voiced by the Egyptian Coptic Church as well, which typically enjoys good relations with the West via the Coptic communities in the U.S., Canada, and Australia. In an article titled "Oh Mr. Bush, Are You Christian or Crusader?" Coptic priest Marcus 'Aziz Khalil wrote:

"Israel knows how to mislead the leaders of many countries, deceiving them that [to believe] they have common interests with it… It managed to drug the leaders of those Christian countries – especially those who belong to no religion and do not know the road to Heaven, or who take religion's name and image but are totally distanced from its essence. They are manipulated by Israel, like marionettes, to destroy their religion. [Israel] has also managed to brainwash some whom it discovered to be highly susceptible because of their surly nature. Israel planted among them the spirit of hatred and rage towards the Arabs and Muslims – as it did to George Bush Sr., who attacked Iraq, and behold, it continues on its path with George Bush Jr., who attacked Afghanistan..."

"If only God would intervene to defend the world from these enemies of peace. Although they swathe themselves in sheep's clothing, they are wolves seeking to kill the flock… We Christians of the East, who in the past refused to stand by the Crusaders and stood by our Muslim brethren, are also opposed to the negative deeds of the Western governments biased in favor of Israel despite its arrogance and even though it damages the holy sites. We say to Mr. Bush: During your term, Jesus' name is disgraced by the attacks on the holy places. Are you a Christian, Mr. Bush? I doubt it. Perhaps you are a Crusader. God alone knows."[4]

Egyptian Shura Council member Dr. Nabil Luka Babawi, an expert in criminal law and a Copt, attacked President Bush in an article titled "Judas Is Back": "Today, 2,000 years since the Judas affair, the same scenario repeats itself, and the Christian rulers betray Jesus. These rulers have become the Judas of our time. They have sold out the Messiah for their own private interests, and so as not to anger the Zionist lobby in America… Perhaps the Church of the Nativity will be destroyed and turn into rubble. Bush, the head of the Christian rulers, will be responsible for what happens to it. He is proving to be the Judas of our time, for he has sold out the Messiah for the American Jewish vote..."[5]

Dr. Babawi published another article in the Egyptian government daily Al-Ahram slamming his fellow Copts living in the West for their failure to support the Palestinians: "Today the Jews shell the Church of the Nativity with artillery, and the Copts in the diaspora do not pressure members of the American Congress with a demand to stop the attack on the Church of the Nativity and on Al-Aqsa Mosque… Why are the American Copts and Muslims not demonstrating to condemn the behavior of the madman Sharon, who began to behave like a madman after he was hit in 1948 in a sensitive place of his body by a bullet, leaving him with one testicle only [sic]. This has affected him psychologically, and he has become a crazy psychopath using power to hide his weak point…"[6]

Elias 'Awwad, head of the Palestinian Roman Orthodox Church, said, "The Zionist movement controls European and American public opinion… For this reason, we witness a weakness in the defense of the Christian holy sites on the part of America and the European countries... These people [Western Christians] deal first of all with their interests, not their religion… In my view, they are not Christians, because they do not act according to the precepts of the New Testament…"[7]

The Bishop of the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, George Saliba, stated the following regarding Christian leaders in the West: "Unfortunately, in the West today – Europe and America – all these [Christian leaders] are not Jews, but are led by the Jews. This religion [Judaism] is the enemy of God, the enemy of people, and the enemy of Christianity… There must be an awakening among the rulers of these countries, so that they return to punishing Zionism for its evil deeds towards all people. I hope it will be soon…"

"Jesus once said to the Jews: 'You are the sons of Satan, and you do the will of your father Satan.' They answered: 'No, we are not the sons of Satan, we are the sons of Abraham.' He replied to them: 'Had you been the sons of Abraham you would be acting [in accordance with] the acts and precepts of Abraham. Therefore you are the sons of Satan…'"[8]

The Jews Throughout the Generations
Father Manuel Musalam compared the armed Palestinians in the Church of the Nativity to Jesus on the cross: "…We kneel before the Palestinian in the besieged Church [of the Nativity]. He hungers, but he is steadfast; he thirsts, but he is steadfast. These words were not born in a vacuum. The one who said 'I am hungry' when he was on the cross was our Lord Jesus himself… Our Palestinian people in Bethlehem died like a crucified martyr, on the rock guarded by the Israeli soldiers armed from head to foot who have no compassion, love, life, or tolerance…"

"The Jew has a principle from which we suffer and which he tries to impose on people: the principle of the 'gentiles.' To him, the gentile is a slave. They [the Jews] give the [Palestinians] working in Israel only a piece of bread, and tell them: 'This piece of bread that you eat is taken from our children, and we give it to you so you will live not as free men on your land, but as a proletariat and slaves in Israel, to serve us…' The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are based on this principle, and anyone who reads the Protocols feels that we are in this period with the Jews …"

"The Church, the Pope, the Christians, and the New Testament clearly state that, according to Christian belief, the ones who killed Jesus are the Jews, and there is no way to deny or renounce this… The Jews are the ones who killed Jesus; after him, [they killed] the Christians, and after them, the Muslims. Now they are again killing both the Muslims and the Christians. Throughout history, we have seen that the Jews persecuted the Christians at the beginning of the Church, and now they are again persecuting the Church, and Islam…"

"As is known throughout the world, even in our time, they always accuse the Christians… The case of Pope Pius XII is bad enough. They accused him of terrible things… They attack the Church because the Pope was not as strict as they wanted in protecting the Jews from Nazism – while the Jews found shelter only in the Church and with Christian families…"[9]

In a letter to the editor of the Egyptian Coptic weekly Watani, Egyptian Coptic clergyman John Jirjis wrote, "I do not wonder at the deeds of the leaders of the Israeli people, as they are the followers of Herod the tyrant who ordered all the two-year-old boys of Bethlehem murdered so as to kill Jesus, but failed!! They are the followers of the chief priests, who saw Jesus and his miracles and heard his precepts, yet accused him of heresy and called for his crucifixion! They are those who forced [Pontius] Pilate to crucify Jesus… although Pilate conceded that Jesus did not deserve crucifixion. They still live with their dark and cruel hearts, rejecting all the prophecies of their prophets. The sight of their bloodstained hands is not unfamiliar to the human race!!"[10]

The Coptic priest Marcus 'Aziz Khalil wrote, "From the human point of view, the existence of the State of Israel is an historic sin. It is not sufficient to deem this sin the crime of the generation; it is one of the unforgivable sins, and no means of purification will help them… The belief on which the Jews have based their state is null and void, but they have taught their sons from infancy that it is the proper belief…"[11]

The Hizbullah television station Al-Manar gave its viewers an exclusive broadcast of a lecture on "Christianity's View of the Jews" by the Bishop of the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, George Saliba, at an Islamic institute for religious studies. He said: "…As is known, the Jews think that only they are human. Only they are the sons of Adam. As far as they are concerned, all the [other] peoples have the status of beasts. Gentiles. This contradicts the message of God in the world… Do you know what they did to the prophet Isaiah?… They took him and sawed him with a wood saw, from head to foot, while he was still alive. They cut him in half…"[12]




TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arab; binladen; christ; christian; god; iran; iraq; islam; israel; jesus; love; media; mercy; muslim; palestinian; satan
Translated articles referred to above:

[1] Palestine Television (Palestinian Authority), April 22, 2002.

[2] Al-Quds (Palestinian Authority), April 24, 2002.

[3] Al-Quds (Palestinian Authority), April 24, 2002.

[4] Al-Maydan (Egypt), April 22, 2002, as cited in Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), April 24, 2002.

[5] Cited in Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), April 29, 2002.

[6] Al-Ahram (Egypt), April 25, 2002.

[7] Palestine Television (Palestinian Authority), April 26, 2002.

[8] Al-Manar Television (Lebanon-Hizbullah), April 24, 2002.

[9] Palestine Television (Palestinian Authority), April 22, 2002.

[10] Watani (Egypt), April 21, 2002, as cited in Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), April 23, 2002.

[11] Al-Maydan (Egypt), April 22, 2002, as cited in Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), April 24, 2002.

[12] Al-Manar Television (Lebanon-Hizbullah), April 24, 2002.

1 posted on 06/12/2002 1:38:22 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Yea, right!!! Today's Jews kill Jesus, almost daily. Wonder what the world would be like if Jesus hadn't died on the Cross... And those Israeli Jews must be very powerful persuaders, what with it being so obvious they shouldn't be aloud to live and breath. Just allowing Jews to live proves they can minipulate "western opinion." Am I missing anything?
2 posted on 06/12/2002 1:50:14 PM PDT by Dixie republican
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To: vannrox
"The Church, the Pope, the Christians, and the New Testament clearly state that, according to Christian belief, the ones who killed Jesus are the Jews, and there is no way to deny or renounce this..."

Jesus -a Jew- was killed by the combined efforts of the Pharisees, the non-Jewish Judean monarchy, and the Roman procurator.

The "church" was all Jewish at first, that is, until the Apostle Paul's ministry to convert great numbers of gentiles.

According to this deluded gent, it seems to be a true Christian is to be anti-semitic.

3 posted on 06/12/2002 2:02:31 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: vannrox
"The Church, the Pope, the Christians, and the New Testament clearly state that, according to Christian belief, the ones who killed Jesus are the Jews, and there is no way to deny or renounce this..."

Jesus -a Jew- was killed by the combined efforts of the Pharisees, the non-Jewish Judean monarchy, and the Roman procurator.

The "church" was all Jewish at first, that is, until the Apostle Paul's ministry to convert great numbers of gentiles.

According to this deluded gent, it seems to be a true Christian is to be anti-semitic.

4 posted on 06/12/2002 2:03:21 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: vannrox
"The Church, the Pope, the Christians, and the New Testament clearly state that, according to Christian belief, the ones who killed Jesus are the Jews, and there is no way to deny or renounce this..."

Jesus -a Jew- was killed by the combined efforts of the Pharisees, the non-Jewish Judean monarchy, and the Roman procurator.

The "church" was all Jewish at first, that is, until the Apostle Paul's ministry to convert great numbers of gentiles.

According to this deluded gent, it seems to be a true Christian is to be anti-semitic.

5 posted on 06/12/2002 2:04:11 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: All
Sorry about the multiplicity. Connection or server(?) problems.
6 posted on 06/12/2002 2:08:52 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: Jagdgewehr
Sorry about the multiplicity. Connection or server(?) problems.

No, the Jews or Western Christians probably caused it.

7 posted on 06/12/2002 2:28:38 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Jagdgewehr
>The "church" was all Jewish at first, that is, until the Apostle Paul's ministry to convert great
numbers of gentiles.

Paul certainly did convert a number of gentiles, but he went first to those who were neither Jew nor Gentile.

"Gentile" simply means "not quite like us"; nothing more.  Mormons call non-Mormons "Gentiles".  Jews call non-Jews "Gentiles". The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are simply a unique sub-set of Gentiles who are Israelites, but not Jews.

Matthew 10:5-6  Reads: These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel . "

The Title House of Israel was assigned to the Northern Kingdom as part of their Eternal Heritage when the Davidic Kingdom split, and its members were never Jewish.  Therefore, this is NOT a command to go first to Jews.

The House of Israel later became The Lost Tribes of Israel who won their freedom from the Assyrians ~610 BC. These now over 5 MILLION Israelites spread quickly to the West and North where they became known to history as The CELTS . It was to these non-Jewish CELTS in Galatia, etc. that Jesus first sent his12 apostles.

The Northern Kingdom Israelites were not Jews, thus were Gentiles in the Jewish sense.  But they were not Gentiles in the Israelite sense, because they WERE Israelites.  This huge nation of Israelites was simply the The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. They made up the bulk of the early Christians, and all the promises they received as Israelites were, and are, still good today.  Gods inheritance has no statue of limitations.

8 posted on 06/12/2002 2:41:56 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Jagdgewehr
"Oh Mr. Bush, Are You Christian or Crusader?"

Notice how PROTESTANT EVANGELICALS are blamed for the CRUSADES!!!!!!!!!!

Again and again and again, the Vatican does the crime, and Protestants do the time in the history books and court of World Opinion. I actually know people who are so ignorant of history, that they blame Protestant Evangelicals for the Inquisition!!! And they use this to justify their hatred of Jesus Christ and His Word.

They do the same exact thing with the Catholic pedophillia issue. To them, it's Christianity and the teachings of Jesus who are guilty of victimizing children, rather than the corrupt Vatican. And the beat goes on.

9 posted on 06/12/2002 2:44:18 PM PDT by berned
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To: Jagdgewehr
"Oh Mr. Bush, Are You Christian or Crusader?"

Notice how PROTESTANT EVANGELICALS are blamed for the CRUSADES!!!!!!!!!!

Again and again and again, the Vatican does the crime, and Protestants do the time in the history books and court of World Opinion. I actually know people who are so ignorant of history, that they blame Protestant Evangelicals for the Inquisition!!! And they use this to justify their hatred of Jesus Christ and His Word.

They do the same exact thing with the Catholic pedophillia issue. To them, it's Christianity and the teachings of Jesus who are guilty of victimizing children, rather than the corrupt Vatican. And the beat goes on.

10 posted on 06/12/2002 2:44:19 PM PDT by berned
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To: vannrox
I'm Catholic educated, from grade school through high school, studied Catechism, went to Mass, read the Bible. I used to get into Bible discussions with the Jehova's Witness people who came around on Saturdays. We used 3 versions of the Bible - Douay, King James, and the one that the Jehovas use.

Nothing these "clergymen" are saying makes any sense. It is because of the translation, or is it because they are muddled Middle Easterners? Is it something in the water over there?

11 posted on 06/12/2002 2:48:39 PM PDT by etcetera
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To: vannrox
Dr. Babawi published another article in the Egyptian government daily Al-Ahram slamming his fellow Copts living in the West for their failure to support the Palestinians....

The only difference between the Coptic Christians in the West and their brethren in the Middle East is that those in the west are free, and those in the Middle East are living in a state of dhimmitude, in which only those who bow and scrape to the muslim antichrist, whether out of denial or conscious faleshood, are allowed to escape persecution. (Of course, if the muslim eats something bad for breakfast, he might persecute the dhimmis anyway.) The same applies, more or less, to the Christians in other communions that have both Western and Middle Eastern members.

Unfortunately, we have some Christians here in the West, including all too many denominational mis-leaders, who have adopted a dhimmi-like posture already, by playing the muslim apologist. It's as if they were lying down and BEGGING the muslims to conquer us!!!! I say NO WAY!!! Resist islamic world domination with all our might, pray God to arm us for the fight and make us worthy of victory, and also to bring feeedom to our Middle Eastern brothers and sisters in Christ, and free them from the yoke of dhimmitude!!!!

12 posted on 06/12/2002 2:51:30 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: berned
Excellent point!
13 posted on 06/12/2002 2:58:08 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: vannrox
Well that picture of the Roman Catholic Vatican emmissary high fiving Arafat outside the Church of the Nativity said it all to me,whatever Religion todays Preachers and Priests are in have nothing to do with my God who isn't into treachery,bigotry,racism,sedition and liscentous ways,pefidry and the allmight dollar,f***ing people over for a Percentage thats a Judas thang.
14 posted on 06/12/2002 2:58:43 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: xJones
No, the Jews or Western Christians probably caused it.

Quite so. I stand corrected.

15 posted on 06/12/2002 3:00:44 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: vannrox
These are people with a gun to their heads. I wouldn't take it as their real opinion.
16 posted on 06/12/2002 3:01:57 PM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman
These are people with a gun to their heads. I wouldn't take it as their real opinion.

RIGHT! muslim savages in Egypt do kill Coptic Christians and burn down their churches from time to time. And the sharia-influenced Egyptian "courts" turn a deaf ear to Coptic pleas for justice, as do the Egyptian muslim police.

17 posted on 06/12/2002 3:58:50 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Dixie republican
Oohh.. this roils me - and that's an understatement.

These so-called Catholic Palestinians annoy me to no end. It seems as though they have more allegience to their Palestinian "cause" and care less about being Catholic. You can make the Palestianian a Catholic but he'll always be a Palestian first I guess. Frankly, I don't trust them.

When the terrorists who took the Church of the Nativity hostage were let go there was a Franciscan friar (who appeared to be Palestinian) that followed them around flashing his big gold watch, designer sunglasses while he talked on his cell phone -- what was all that about?
18 posted on 06/12/2002 4:06:30 PM PDT by oline
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To: LostTribe
Where is the evidence that the Israelites who were taken into captivity by the Assyrians were (or became) Celts?
19 posted on 06/12/2002 4:12:59 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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20 posted on 06/12/2002 4:13:41 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: vannrox
and one more thing --

I'm Catholic and I want to know where all the Isreal supporters are that are also Catholic -- there doesn't seem to be enough of us.

Recently, I had to listen to my priest lament about the way Arafat was treated by the Israeli government. What is wrong with these people????? I have corresponded with a few Catholic bloggers who are ardent supporters of the Palestinians and they all have said this : What the Palestinians do [bomb Israelis] isn't right, but Israel isn't much better. Or my personal favorite The Palestinians deserve a homeland because Israel pushed them off it 50 years ago. What pap!

What makes this worse is that these people call themselves conservative Catholics.

I feel as if I'm losing my mind.
21 posted on 06/12/2002 4:16:44 PM PDT by oline
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To: GuillermoX
>Where is the evidence that the Israelites who were taken into captivity by the Assyrians were (or became) Celts?

The evidence is in the British Museum. Please click on my Profile below and then on the link to the book on the Assyrian Tablets for more information. A number of Freepers tell me they have obtained it and found it worth the effort. I think it is very well done, and persuasive.

22 posted on 06/12/2002 4:29:47 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I'll take a look at it...

Did the disciples back then know where/who the "House of Israel" was?

23 posted on 06/12/2002 4:45:26 PM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: GuillermoX
>Did the disciples back then know where/who the "House of Israel" was?

Yes, there is little doubt that they knew, using Roman documents alone. Josephus talks specifically about them.

Please see my post #8 here for more about Jesus and the Disciples. Jesus clearly knew, and from this verse we can assume that either the disciples knew, or were about to know. -ggg-.

24 posted on 06/12/2002 4:53:51 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: GuillermoX
...more...

And from here the Disciples (especially Paul) went to Galatia (Turkey), Phillipi, Corinth, etc. where the "Lost Tribes" were found in abundance. By this time in history their total population would probably be counted in the Tens of MILLIONS.

For more details, including some population numbers, please click on my LostTribe Profile and check out the 3-MINUTE HISTORY.

25 posted on 06/12/2002 5:03:29 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
What of the Actual Pagan Celts in Gaul and Britain for hundres of years?
26 posted on 06/12/2002 6:34:23 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew
>What of the Actual Pagan Celts in Gaul and Britain for hundres of years?

Uhmmm.... What about them? The CELTS carried none of their Israelite theology with them. They were all heathen until the time of Christ.

Please see more detailed answers to you on this question over on the thread titled Anti-Semitism on the Rise in America -- ADL Survey on Anti-Semitic Attitudes. Thanks.

27 posted on 06/12/2002 7:28:23 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: rmlew
>What of the Actual Pagan Celts in Gaul and Britain for hundres of years?

Oh, I think I see what you were getting at. Yes, the Celts were certainly there in Britain and France, as well as all over Europe by the time of Christ.

Very strong tradition, as strong as any Jewish tradition, places Jesus in England sometime during the "silent years" between ages 12 and 30 or so. Go to churchs in the SW of England (as I have) and you will see stained glass windows showing Jesus arriving by boat with his wealthy shipping magnate Uncle, Joseph of Arimethia, who will later bury Jesus body in the private tomb.

And there is much more to be seen there to suggest Jesus did his own teaching in person to the Celts of England. There is also a strong tradition that Paul visited Lud Hill in London, on which stands today St. Pauls cathedral.

But I do not confuse or intermingle Biblical and Archeological History with traditions, either Jewish or Christian.

28 posted on 06/12/2002 7:38:36 PM PDT by LostTribe
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