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Judge sentences man to 25 years for beating trick-or-treater
AP ^ | June 12, 2002

Posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VICTORVILLE, Calif. (AP) - A man described by a judge as "an evil monster" was sentenced to 25 years in prison for using a baseball bat, metal pipe and golf club to attack a 12-year-old Halloween trick-or-treater on his doorstep.


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1 posted on 06/12/2002 11:57:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Texasforever; Torie; nopardons;
Something the pro-legalization cadre will ignore. After all, it was "only" a trick-or-treater whose right to play in the neighborhood gets trumped by the adult's right to recreational poisons.
2 posted on 06/13/2002 12:06:18 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Name me a single town or county in this entire country where the drug war has made it impossible to buy methamphetamines.
3 posted on 06/13/2002 12:19:36 AM PDT by John H K
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4 posted on 06/13/2002 12:20:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Cultural Jihad
So what about the tens of thousands of violent beatings administered by drunk people in this country, as well?
5 posted on 06/13/2002 12:21:14 AM PDT by John H K
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To: Cultural Jihad
Only 25 years?? This moron will be back on the streets in 5 to 7 years- if I were this kid's father, I would make sure he never had a chance to beat up another 12 year old (and I don't joke about these things).
6 posted on 06/13/2002 12:25:55 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Cultural Jihad
Halloween is an evil day, which is why we don't give it any notice. It's too weird. Should be outlawed in public schools.
7 posted on 06/13/2002 12:31:30 AM PDT by Dec31,1999
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To: Dec31,1999
Halloween is an evil day, which is why we don't give it any notice. It's too weird. Should be outlawed in public schools.

Get a grip.

8 posted on 06/13/2002 12:40:56 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: John H K
Name me a single town or county in this entire country where the drug war has made it impossible to buy methamphetamines.

What the hell is your point? Name me a town or county in the entire country that laws against murder has made murder impossible. Sorry friend your brain is fried.

9 posted on 06/13/2002 12:43:52 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I am with you on that one.
10 posted on 06/13/2002 12:50:27 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: John H K
So what about the tens of thousands of violent beatings administered by drunk people in this country, as well?

Because for good or ill alcohol is a legal intoxicant. Tell me why should we add a never ending list of mind altering substances to the list? If you can't get your kicks on Champaign then use anything you can get your hands on but don't whine when you are busted.

11 posted on 06/13/2002 1:03:34 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
'Tell me why should we add a never ending list of mind altering substances to the list?'

Liberty.

12 posted on 06/13/2002 1:33:40 AM PDT by Darheel
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To: Cultural Jihad
So if this dirtbag would have been drunk you would be screaming for prohibition comeback?
13 posted on 06/13/2002 1:36:55 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Colbrunn was allegedly high on methamphetamine"

Of course, thats irrelevant to the immoral idiots known as the Libertarians..

14 posted on 06/13/2002 1:41:31 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Realpatriot71; Thomas Jefferson; OWK; headsonpikes; demidog; free tally; freeeee...
"This defendant is a poster child against the argument for drugs being legalized," Superior Court Judge Stephen Ashworth said. "Not that he's not responsible. But if it wasn't for drugs, this never would have happened."

mmmmm hhhhmmmmmmm

15 posted on 06/14/2002 12:19:07 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Darheel
What about the liberty to drive drunk?
16 posted on 06/14/2002 12:23:20 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Darheel
Liberty applies to yourself only. You haven't the liberty to put others in danger.
17 posted on 06/14/2002 12:26:26 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Lock him up and throw away the key.
18 posted on 06/14/2002 12:27:07 PM PDT by Liberal Classic
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To: Cultural Jihad
You know, there is a difference between the taking of drugs (vice) and the actions committed while under the influence (crime).
19 posted on 06/14/2002 12:31:29 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Texaggie79
I think this guy is a scumbag and deserves what he gets for huring someone else.

But despite prohibition, he apparantly had no problem getting what he wanted.

And I can think of oh say, a few thousand instances where alcohol caused people to do dumb, even dangerous things. Things that get people killed all the time. Things like drunk driving, getting into fights while drunk, etc...

A while back, Carrie Nation and her temperence buddies decided if they just made alcohol illegal, all those problems would just -poof- go away. They didn't and we still had all the problems of alcohol, plus the problems of prohibition. Things like Al Capone and gang wars, things like the Gun Control Act of '32 that infringe upon freedom until this day.

Aint no teacher like history.

20 posted on 06/14/2002 12:48:40 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Texaggie79
Another graduate seminar? The tone is just too elevated on these Jihad threads to entice a country boy like me to join in! ;^)
21 posted on 06/14/2002 12:54:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: freeeee
So you think Crystal Meth can be used responsibly?
22 posted on 06/14/2002 1:06:46 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: headsonpikes
Y'all got country up thar in Carnadea?
23 posted on 06/14/2002 1:07:34 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Cultural Jihad
Something the pro-legalization cadre will ignore.

I'm sure Randall Colbrunn is an otherwise saintly man driven to evil by that demon methamphetamine. Can't you see that this Jeckyll and Hyde defense is a cyncial ploy by Colbrunn to divert blame for his horrendous crime? He thought they were bugs ... sure Randall, very Kafka-esque, and awfully convenient as well.

Do I want meth on the streets? Hell no. But while it's a terribly addictive and destructive drug, let's not lay all the blame on the substance rather than the individual. Colbrunn may try to cop out with his "bug" defense, but he shouldn't get off with a suspended sentence and rehab. He's apparently an out-of-control jackass with violent tendancies, and deserves to be locked up.

If you want to deal with the social costs of drug abuse, the first step is cracking down on violent thugs like Colbrunn who truly endanger others with their lack of control, made worse by drug abuse.

24 posted on 06/14/2002 1:08:58 PM PDT by Polonius
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To: headsonpikes
Actually, I thought that hicks were an exclusive of the south (USA of course). Then I remember seeing some SCTV skits with John Candy and Dave Thomas where they were some hicks up in Canada driving to some big city with some lady. I was stunned that they even had hicks in Canada.
25 posted on 06/14/2002 1:11:07 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Then I remember seeing some SCTV skits with John Candy and Dave Thomas where they were some hicks up in Canada ...

Do you mean "The Great White North," with Bob and Doug McKenzie? That's what it sounds like, but it was Dave Thomas and Rick Moranis.

PS — Michigan is full of hicks; the South definitely doesn't have a monopoly.

26 posted on 06/14/2002 1:20:19 PM PDT by Polonius
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To: Cultural Jihad
"This defendant is a poster child against the argument for drugs being legalized," Superior Court Judge Stephen Ashworth said. "Not that he's not responsible. But if it wasn't for drugs, this never would have happened."

But if the drug was illegal, how was he able to get it? Doesn't make sense.

27 posted on 06/14/2002 1:22:12 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Polonius
No, I'm well aware of the McKenzie bros. I love Strange Brew. This was a skit where John Candy and Dave Thomas(I think it was dave) drove some caddy lookin convertable to some big Canadian city and this hitch hikin chick went with em. They kept singing some stupid song.
28 posted on 06/14/2002 1:24:55 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Sir Gawain
Can you run down to the store and pick up some Crystal Meth? (the drug not the music group) Do you know where you can score some meth here within the next 30 mins?

Legalize it and all that changes, and thousands more will have access to crystal meth.....

29 posted on 06/14/2002 1:28:47 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Do you know where you can score some meth here within the next 30 mins?

Yes.

Legalize it and all that changes, and thousands more will have access to crystal meth.....

So automatically, thousands more will want to do it? Wrong.

30 posted on 06/14/2002 1:34:53 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
want to? No. Be able to, yes.
31 posted on 06/14/2002 1:36:15 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Sir Gawain
Do you know where you can score some meth here within the next 30 mins?

Yes.

I forgot you were a drug head :-P

I myself probably couldn't score a quarter bag of pot in 30 mins.

32 posted on 06/14/2002 1:37:46 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
So? When I turned 21 I was legally able to buy alcohol. I didn't turn into a drunk because I could now purchase booze.
33 posted on 06/14/2002 1:38:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Compare how many people buy beer at 20 compared to 21. I guarantee you that it's hundreds times more.

Also, alcohol is not as immediately addictive.

34 posted on 06/14/2002 1:40:06 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Compare how many people buy beer at 20 compared to 21. I guarantee you that it's hundreds times more.

Give me some numbers to back that up.

Also, alcohol is not as immediately addictive.

How do you know? Are you smoking the rock? Tell us about it.

35 posted on 06/14/2002 1:41:30 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Cultural Jihad
"This defendant is a poster child against the argument for drugs being legalized," Superior Court Judge Stephen Ashworth said. "Not that he's not responsible. But if it wasn't for drugs, this never would have happened."

But if it wasn't for guns, this shooting never would have happened.

But if it wasn't for alcohol, this drunk driving never would have happened.

But if it wasn't for cigarettes, this cancer never would have happened."

Same old nanny-state clap-trap.... different day.

The individual is responsible, not the inanimate object.

36 posted on 06/14/2002 1:43:14 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Texaggie79
"I was stunned that they even had hicks in Canada."

Oh, we got hicks all right. Some folks might consider me one. ;^)

Actually, Canadian rednecks would scare the living sh*t out of most normal people. Think of those 'Deliverance' boys without the sophistication. ;^)

37 posted on 06/14/2002 1:44:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: William Terrell; FastCoyote; philman_36
Colbrunn was allegedly high on methamphetamine when he unleashed his fury on the boy.

Hey, look! You have yet another great argument for altered consciousness... /SARCASM
38 posted on 06/14/2002 1:45:46 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Sir Gawain
Give me some numbers to back that up.

Where the hell am I gonna find numbers on that. Just look at your local area though. Go to liquor establishments. Bars, stores, ect. Count how many under 21 buy compared to 21. Then go count how many underage buy at the "back alley" spots. Many times more alcohol is purchased by 21+ Do to some simple facts. They don't have to worry about getting arrested. They have easier access and they know what they are buying.

And of course Meth is more addictive than Alcohol. I'm not even waisting my time to pull the numbers to prove that universally known fact.

39 posted on 06/14/2002 1:46:35 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: headsonpikes
Canadian rednecks would scare the living sh*t out of most normal people.

You shore got a purdy mouth, eh?

40 posted on 06/14/2002 1:47:10 PM PDT by strela
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To: Texaggie79
Where the hell am I gonna find numbers on that.

You shouldn't make a "guarantee" if you're not ready to back it up with hard numbers.

41 posted on 06/14/2002 1:47:56 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Damn skippy. From one bat-boy to another. I suspect both of us would deal with this pogue about the same way.

It is was my kid, this guy would never make it to prison.

42 posted on 06/14/2002 1:49:22 PM PDT by disgustedvet
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To: John H K
Name me a single town or county in this entire country where the drug war has made it impossible to buy methamphetamines.

You are setting up a staw man. So unless eternal perfection is achieved it is not worth trying? Laws against murder have yet to stop murder completely. Should we give up on that too?

43 posted on 06/14/2002 1:49:57 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: headsonpikes
You got a mullet?
44 posted on 06/14/2002 1:51:24 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: OWK
But if it wasn't for guns, this shooting never would have happened.

Guns are a tool. They don't make people kill or hurt others. Crystal Meth obviously does.

But if it wasn't for alcohol, this drunk driving never would have happened.

Drunk driving is illegal.

But if it wasn't for cigarettes, this cancer never would have happened."

That is only hurting yourself. No legal concerns there.

45 posted on 06/14/2002 1:52:59 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Sir Gawain
Why? I'd bet the farm on it. I will bet my life on it. I am so sure that I will guarantee it. Just as I am sure that the sun will rise tomorrow. I don't need numbers. Common sense is enough.
46 posted on 06/14/2002 1:54:37 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Zack Nguyen
You are setting up a staw man. So unless eternal perfection is achieved it is not worth trying? Laws against murder have yet to stop murder completely. Should we give up on that too?

The difference of course being that murder violates the rights of another human being, whereas drug use in and of itself does not.

Government exists to defend rights. If a drug user violates rights, then by all means hold him accountable, and punish him harshly. Otherwise, leave him the hell alone.

It is your kind of argument (that government should attempt to prohibit inanimate objects which are not criminal in themselves, but might be associated with crimes) that is used by anti-gun activists, anti-alcohol activists, etc.

It's the road to tyranny.

47 posted on 06/14/2002 1:55:59 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Texaggie79
Guns are a tool.

Drugs are not a tool?

They don't make people kill or hurt others.

Neither do drugs.

Crystal Meth obviously does.

If you can demonstrate evidence to me, of Crystal Meth jumping out of a baggie, and committing a murder, I'll buy your argument.... otherwise, I'll afford it as much credence as I afford the arguments of anti-gun activists who insist that guns commit murders... (which is to say none)

Drunk driving is illegal.

But alcohol is not.... see the distinction?

48 posted on 06/14/2002 1:59:28 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Zack Nguyen
Name one drug that the Drug War has made scarcer, more expensive or harder to obtain.

Give me one good reason why beating someone's head in while stoned on Methamphetamine is more heinous a crime than beating their head in while "in a pissy mood".

49 posted on 06/14/2002 2:01:16 PM PDT by Melinator
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To: Melinator
Well said.
50 posted on 06/14/2002 2:02:28 PM PDT by OWK
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