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Harris County: Deadliest in U.S. for deputies (hurl alert)
Houston Chronicle | June 15, 2002 | Kristina Woods, Texans For Gun Safety

Posted on 06/16/2002 10:07:13 AM PDT by Marauder

Harris County sheriff's Deputy Shane Bennett paid with his life this week for our state's lack of gun laws. Shot during a home invasion, he was one of three deputies shot in the line of duty in recent weeks in Harris County. Tommy J. Bohannon's shooting (June 9) and Harris County Deputy Robert Spurgeon's shooting (May 15) make Harris County the deadliest in the U.S.

Members of violent gangs use guns to inflict terror on citizens and peace officers, although Texas voters have the ability to take these gangs' firepower away.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reports that Texas ranks No. 1 in the number of gun shows held yearly and fourth in gun trafficking.

Voters in Texas should care enough about our law enforcement officers and the safety of our homes and neighborhoods to pass a state law requiring something as sensible and enforceable as background checks for gun purchasers at gun shows.

This would mean that Texas would no longer tolerate allowing anyone - even those prohibited by federal law from purchasing guns - to buy guns at gun shows with "no questions asked."

Asking for these background checks at gun shows would put us in good company. A variety of national and state organizations - including the U.S. Association of Police Organizations, the League of Cities and the National Education Association all have endorsed similar legislation.

A recent poll shows that 86 percent of Americans support background checks at gun shows.

If anyone needs more convincing to support such a law, here are a few more reasons: Requiring background checks would not only make guns less available to criminals, but would reduce the number of illegal guns in circulation and increase the ability of law enforcement to enforce current laws.

It would also reduce the risk of gun violence for the mentally disturbed and young people.

And, decreasing illegal gun trafficking would, of course, help to better protect our peace officers


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: backgroundchecks; banglist; gunsshows; peaceofficersshot
Honest to God, people: There's not a decent person anywhere that doesn't deplore the senseless killing of a peace officer, or any innocent person for that matter.

But to capitalize on these tragic events to promote an anti-constitutional agenda is cold-hearted opportunism at its lowest, before you even consider the fact that this naive twit - as are all of her comrades - is a damned liar.

1 posted on 06/16/2002 10:07:13 AM PDT by Marauder
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To: Marauder
Katrina, your ignorance is beyond belief! None of those "latin Kings" (local hispanic gang) were legally able to own a gun. None would apply for a permit as they are criminals! If on the other hand the homeowners had their own weapons for self defense, maybe the officer would not have had to charge into an unsafe situation to protect them. They and only they can protect themselves, as the law enforcement agencies cannot be everywhere at the time you may need them. Apply for and get a permit to carry and protect yourself. That's the american way. Local article in paper quoted neighbors saying it might be time to acquire a weapon to insure their own safety.
2 posted on 06/16/2002 10:20:57 AM PDT by Flyover Country
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To: Flyover Country
Practically word-for-word what I was going to write!

We have some of these Houston gangstas up here in Alaska now- the drug trade thrives here, just as it does everywhere else, I guess. However, an invasion of MY home would be resisted a little more effectively than this one was. Anyone who thinks that Alaska doesn't have the death penalty has never tried to break into my home.

3 posted on 06/16/2002 10:26:28 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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4 posted on 06/16/2002 10:26:58 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Marauder
See the beach. There are a few bad grains of sand on the beach. Solution? Remove the beach. That's what the fools want to do.

Gun shows? Please. You can buy firarms all over the place and these particular t*rds likely didn't buy anything at a gun show.

Background checks? What a joke. "Hey, Jose! Yea! You! The guy that came across the Rio Grande and is here illegally selling drugs. Can we check your record dude?"

LOL! We can't even stop MEXICANS from killing US citizens. We don't have a clue who they are or where they are or what they are doing. How are we supposed to stop Islamic lunatics?

If you are in Houston go up to the INS office by Bush Airport. In the AM stand in front of the building for 10 minutes. People everywhere! Tons of people. And they are the ones trying to stay here legally. It's INSANE!!!! How did they get here in the first place?

And what do most of them bring? Not a penny. That's for sure. And what do most of them want? US tax dollars. And once they get some money what do they do with some of it? Send it back to Mexico.

That jerk FOX and the MEXICANS are slowly invading and taking over Texas. Same for CA. Not a shot fired.

I'm not talking about Hispanic Americans. I have a lot of friends that are Hispanic Americans. I'm talking about MEXICANS.

Close the borders!

5 posted on 06/16/2002 10:28:42 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: Marauder
Voters in Texas should care enough about our law enforcement officers and the safety of our homes and neighborhoods to pass a state law requiring something as sensible and enforceable as background checks for gun purchasers at gun shows. This would mean that Texas would no longer tolerate allowing anyone - even those prohibited by federal law from purchasing guns - to buy guns at gun shows with "no questions asked."

Maybe Texans should take the protection of their borders more seriously. Stopping gangs from getting guns at gunshows, if that is even where they are currently likely to get them, wont stop them from getting guns in the slightest. Note how they bring drugs in from Mexico illegally? Well they can do the same with guns. What a surprise.

In fact if all guns are declared illegal and confiscated in the USA, they could make a great deal of money smuggling machine guns, grenades, bombs, just about anything you can think of..

6 posted on 06/16/2002 10:42:24 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Marauder
Dear Kristina,We don't have to"Reduce The Number Of Guns In Circulation",We Have To"REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BAD GUYS IN CIRCULATION"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 posted on 06/16/2002 10:46:52 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: bandleader
And you might have added that we need to reduce the numbers of moronic twits in circulation.

The Latin Kings are big-league bad guys. They're a nationwide gang out of Chicago, they're getting into a more Mob-like scene and going low-profile (so says Houston-area law enforcement), at least they were before this huge shootout that killed the deputy. They're perhaps not up to the level of the Hell's Angels or some of the other organized crime groups yet, and the junior members are still doing the usual gang scene (tagging, hanging, "initiations", dress-for-unsuccess fashion statements), but the senior member are beginning to change over to an organized-crime model and to try to "blend in" more.

The scene, as the twit that wrote the screed for the Chronicle does not tell us, was an armed "home invasion" (kick-robbery) by five heavily armed Chicano thugs looking for money and drugs in a house on the northeast side of Houston, where lots of bad things happen.

Bad guys in Houston have been getting bolder and colder ever since Mayoral Twit Race Pimp Lee Brown came down hard on "racial profiling". Notwithstanding that the brothers and the hermanos are doing, what, 80%? of the street crime, Lee Brown decreed interdicts of death and destruction on any cops (he meant, white cops, of course) caught "racially profiling". And he set up an elaborate system of tallying up how many of every last officer's contacts and detainees were of what ethnic flavor, and any officer that had too many contacts with the wrong flavors of people (the ones who vote Demon Rat by 70-90% margins) is going to get hauled in to defend his job. And the chief of police, who is also black, similarly went on the record with interdicts of Totally Terminate Your Sorry Sack against any fat white cop-Bubbas that hassled Our People.

And that's how five Hispanic thugs were emboldened to blow up a sheriff's deputy when he answered a 9-1-1 call from a frightened little girl in that house.

Now the good news: the good guys blew away two of the El Thug-O's on the spot, they chased down and caught two more (one of whom hid under a house for something like twenty hours, waiting for the cops to go away -- they didn't), and one other who did get away was so demoralized by the massive response to cop-killers on the loose, and so impressed by what was likely to happen if the heat caught up to him and surprised him with a gun in his hand, that he got an attorney and went down and turned himself in.

8 posted on 06/16/2002 11:17:15 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: PuNcH
Plus they'd create violent individuals out of people who had been merely concerned about government excess before such a policy.

I can guarantee that a successful gun ban/confiscation plan will create violent individuals out of people who are not, now.
9 posted on 06/16/2002 11:18:28 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: *bang_list
Bump list
10 posted on 06/16/2002 11:54:19 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Marauder
Good timing. I just received this via email today. Maybe it's time to start letting them know what we think of them...

June 15, 2002, 11:47PM
To our readers

As part of the Chronicle's commitment to make the newspaper more responsive to readers, the newspaper is beginning a reader representative program.

Veteran Chronicle reporter and editorial writer James T. Campbell will serve as the reader representative. In this position, he will hear out those who wish to compliment, comment or complain about the newspaper's coverage.

Campbell is a Houston native and graduate of the University of Houston. In his 14-year tenure at the Chronicle, he has demonstrated a deep commitment to the city, the newspaper and its readers.

Readers can reach Campbell during normal business hours at 713-220-6303. His e-mail address is readerrep@chron.com. Send mail to: Reader Representative, Houston Chronicle, P.O. Box 4260, Houston, Texas, 77210. He looks forward to hearing from you.

TELL THE CHRONICLE WHAT WE THINK OF THIS MORON AND HER WACKO GUN THEORY.

11 posted on 06/16/2002 12:02:08 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Marauder
Houston Chronicle June 14, 2002

Single mother Bettina Scott said it might be time for her to buy a gun. "My God, this scares me to death. For people to come in your home in the middle of the night and shoot you," she said.

Maybe SHE would like to go to a gun show.

12 posted on 06/16/2002 12:14:49 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Flyover Country;Humidston
If the home that was invaded was armed it is likely the deputy would not have been murdered. Even if the victims didn't manage to take out all four invaders, they would have run them off or, at the very least, the officers would know in advance that the thugs were armed.
13 posted on 06/16/2002 12:40:48 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Marauder
It is well known that the Houston Chronicle is a Democrat's dream paper....and it is also pretty well shown that criminals don't rely on gun shows for their weapons...they steal them, trade for them, buy them from other criminals, bring them across state lines, etc. True, more strenuous background checks probably might slow a criminal's ability to purchase guns legitimately, but since when have criminals been likely to "go through channels"?
14 posted on 06/16/2002 12:52:04 PM PDT by lsee
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To: Maelstrom
I can guarantee that a sucessful gun ban/confiscation plan will create violent individuals out of people who are not, now
Amen, and by the millions...
15 posted on 06/16/2002 1:03:07 PM PDT by earonthief
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To: Marauder
"Members of violent gangs use guns to inflict terror on citizens and peace officers, although Texas voters have the ability to take these gangs' firepower away."

The level of naivete of the gun grabbers is just astounding.

16 posted on 06/16/2002 1:05:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Texas voters have the ability to take these gangs' firepower away.

Hey, while we're at it what say we vote away murder and rape, too. Duh, why didn't we think of this before?

17 posted on 06/16/2002 1:30:04 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Travis McGee
I guess that I have a different take on this story than anybody else. Of course, I agree that the cause of the tragic death of this fine young officer had nothing to do with the ownership of guns, except of course that if the victims had been armed they would have been better able to protect themselves.

I also can see and agree with the argument that, but for the war on drugs, none of these events would have ever taken place. No one is going to invade homes to steal drugs with a street price of $1.48.

But it also appears to me that the most immediate cause of this officer's death is the fact that the dispatcher did not alert him about the known facts regarding the type of situation he was walking into. He was told that it was a "domestic disturbance," which was bravo sierra. It was, and was known to be, a home invasion. That is a significant difference which I am sure would have caused the officer to approach the known danger in a much different way, had he known.

We have seen far too many of these screw-ups where 911 and/or the dispatcher make just incredibly stupid mistakes and people die. It is time to hold them accountable.
18 posted on 06/16/2002 4:15:01 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Marauder
Voters in Texas should care enough about our law enforcement officers and the safety of our homes and neighborhoods to pass a state law requiring something as sensible and enforceable as background checks for gun purchasers at gun shows.

This would mean that Texas would no longer tolerate allowing anyone - even those prohibited by federal law from purchasing guns - to buy guns at gun shows with "no questions asked."

Unless I am wrong a 4473 form is still required at a "gun show" purchase.

That means that the whole story is B.S.

19 posted on 06/16/2002 7:23:55 PM PDT by ChefKeith
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To: Marauder
Ah! Another fine piece of community journalism.
20 posted on 06/16/2002 8:30:57 PM PDT by Valin
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To: ChefKeith
That means that the whole story is B.S.

Well, that's the democRat way. They learned it from the Soviets - their mentors - who used the process of inculcation to convince the sheeple of the correctness of their cause.

Simply stated, inculcation means tell a lie often enough and it will eventually be believed. They employ this method in the media, entertainment, and education.

Where is Joseph McCarthy now that we need him?

The really incredible aspect of The Democrat Way is that they try to disarm us during wartime. How paralyzingly stupid can they be?

21 posted on 06/16/2002 9:19:07 PM PDT by Marauder
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To: lentulusgracchus
Houston/Harris County BUMP

HEADS UP HOUSTON

22 posted on 06/16/2002 9:37:40 PM PDT by bobbyd
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To: Marauder
"Asking for these background checks at gun shows would put us in good company. A variety of national and state organizations - including the U.S. Association of Police Organizations, the League of Cities and the National Education Association all have endorsed similar legislation."

Anyone who considers the NEA good company should be distrusted outright. They don't mind teaching "safe sex" and condom use to those too young to understand it. the NEA is as left as they come.

23 posted on 06/16/2002 9:40:16 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: blackbart.223
I live in Harris county and most of those deputies would laugh right in these idiot reporters faces.
24 posted on 06/16/2002 9:42:27 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
"I live in Harris county and most of those deputies would laugh right in these idiot reporters faces."

Just as they should.

25 posted on 06/16/2002 9:45:03 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: bobbyd
B. .bu. .. .bu. .

DAMN IT!

BUMP!

Now you have me stuttering on the keyboard.


26 posted on 06/16/2002 9:46:27 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Texasforever
I live in Harris county

Will you be joining us Thursday as we FReep these gun grabbers?

27 posted on 06/16/2002 9:47:52 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Marauder
Screed like this is the reason I quit reading the Houston Comical years ago. Too bad the conservative newspaper, the Houston Post got driven out of business by the socialist paper suppliers.

I bet the Comical is still lying about their circulation numbers as well.

28 posted on 06/16/2002 10:00:18 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: Flyer
AAAHHHH.......

Flyer my FRiend......you are a Beauty

29 posted on 06/16/2002 10:02:03 PM PDT by bobbyd
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To: Texasforever
Thanks, we'll stay in touch.
30 posted on 06/16/2002 10:04:32 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: Texasforever
See Ya Thursday - Downtown - City Hall - ALL DAY!


31 posted on 06/16/2002 10:04:46 PM PDT by bobbyd
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To: lsee
The Houston Chronicle is nothing more than a liberal rag. I cancelled my subscription to that crap long ago.
32 posted on 06/16/2002 10:06:56 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: dougherty
The Houston Chronicle is nothing more than a liberal rag

True story - at a left wing meeting that was infiltrated, the liberals blasted the Chronicle for being a conservative mouthpiece.

33 posted on 06/16/2002 10:24:33 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: lsee
It is well known that the Houston Chronicle is a Democrat's dream paper.....

More like white-shoe Republican. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal ("planter liberalism" it used to be called before "the recent unpleasantness"), and wholly devoted to the Chamber of Commerce, the Bush family political machine, the local bipartisan (but becoming more 'Rat) political machine, and the Boys Downtown generally.

34 posted on 06/17/2002 2:49:17 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Too bad the conservative newspaper, the Houston Post got driven out of business by the socialist paper suppliers.

Huh? I thought the Post was even more liberal than the Chron......I read it for the columnists, some of whom were real conservatives. But you don't remember Juan Palomo and all that bunch? Tatcho Mindiola had a regular Thursday column in the Hispanic-affairs supplement. That's where I read for the first time about the Aztlanists (I think he is one) and their strategy. Mindiola and Palomo (who outed himself in his column, then called in the Gay Political Caucus and did a power play, and got himself reinstated) were always going on about Crystal City and the "brown power" model. Palomo writes for the Dallas Morning News now, of course. Don't you remember all the liberal bomb-throwers they had on staff?

35 posted on 06/17/2002 2:57:25 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I remember some of that, and IIRC, it all happened well after the Hobby/Sterling family sold it in 1983, and it changed hands again around 1985-87, then in 1995, after languishing in and out of backruptcy for lots of years, the Chronical's parent company, Hearst, bought it and merged it with the Chronical. Most of the current circulation is printed with the Post's old presses.

Sadly, most of the names of the Post columnist fail me. ATM, all I can remember is Leon Hale, Lynn Ashby, Ken Hoffman, Tim Grissom, and that the comics were always much better than the Comical's. I guess you realy couldn't call either one conservative, but the Post was the least liberal, for lots of years, specifically when it was under Sterling/Hobby control.

36 posted on 06/17/2002 5:10:52 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: Flyer
Tell me more about this Thursday Freep-athon; what is the issue, and who is to be Freeped?
I caught "City Hall all day Thursday", but what're the particulars?
37 posted on 06/17/2002 6:04:54 AM PDT by Marauder
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To: Marauder
See this thread for more info. If you have any more questions let me know. I may be able to add some more details to the thread later today. Hope you can join us - and bring some friends!
38 posted on 06/17/2002 6:09:51 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: bang_list;*bang_list
bang
39 posted on 06/17/2002 9:27:01 AM PDT by DaveCooper
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To: Iwo Jima
But it also appears to me that the most immediate cause of this officer's death is the fact that the dispatcher did not alert him about the known facts regarding the type of situation he was walking into. He was told that it was a "domestic disturbance," which was bravo sierra

Excellent point. A striking number of police deaths and other mishaps (shooting a civilian mistaken for a perp) are actually leadership and training issues. If the police administration too busy to train beat cops in tactical awareness and proper self defense techniques the department as a whole will suffer. Citizens and patrolmen will die.

40 posted on 06/18/2002 5:38:44 AM PDT by Copernicus
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To: Iwo Jima

Bullet that killed deputy apparently not suspect's

By DALE LEZON
Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle

The gun used by a robbery suspect in a shootout with Harris County deputies last week does not appear to be the one that killed Deputy Shane Bennett, a Sheriff's Department official said Wednesday.

Capt. Dick Henderson said one of two suspects shot at the deputies, but his .380-caliber handgun apparently did not cause Bennett's fatal head wound.

"It makes us believe that it could have been friendly fire," Henderson said.

Henderson said three guns were fired in the June 12 shootout: Bennett fired his 9 mm pistol about four times; suspect Daniel Damian Jr. fired his .380-caliber handgun twice; and Deputy Sean Conrad fired his .45-caliber pistol about nine times. Suspect Carlos Alberto Ramirez did not fire his 9 mm gun, and Deputy T.L. Burks did not fire his gun, Henderson added.

Harris County Medical Examiner Dr. Joye Carter said the fatal bullet entered the back left side of Bennett's head. Ballistics tests are still to be done to determine what caliber the fatal bullet was.

Rosa Ochoa, who lived at the house in the 3000 block of Havner, said she saw Bennett lying face down with a bullet wound in the back of his head immediately after the shootout.

Sheriff Tommy Thomas has said the suspects' and deputies' positions would help investigators figure out who actually shot Bennett.

Responding to a 911 call June 12, Bennett was followed single-file by deputies Conrad and Burks into a dark house in northeast Harris County and confronted two masked, armed robbers, investigators said.

A gunbattle ensued in which Bennett, 29, Damian and Ramirez were killed.

Two residents, Rosa De La Garza and her 3-month-old son, Ray, were wounded.

Another suspect, Benjamin Gonzalez, fled the house before the shootout. A fourth, Christian Gonzalez, was in a getaway car, and the fifth, Richard Longoria, was in a lookout car.

Longoria and the Gonzalez brothers are charged with aggravated robbery and are being held without bail.

Damian was to the deputies' right and Ramirez was toward their left as they entered the room where the shooting occurred, investigators said.

Confusion reigned during the gunbattle, said Assistant District Attorney Chuck Noll, who is prosecuting the surviving suspects.

Noll said the deputies heard screams and went into the house, which was nearly pitch-black. They turned on their flashlights and walked through a few rooms.

Conrad followed Bennett and Burks was third in line. They walked through a bedroom, passed through a small utility room and then stepped through a doorway into a den. Conrad told investigators he then heard gunfire and he stepped back out of the doorway.

Then he stepped forward again and fired, believing he shot Damian. He said he could not remember if Bennett was standing when Damian was shot, Noll said.

Conrad and Burks are both on administrative leave.

Prosecutors have said they would file capital murder charges against the surviving suspects if the investigation showed their accomplices fired the fatal bullets.

If final reports prove Bennett was shot by a fellow deputy, the case of the three surviving suspects creates a legal quandary for prosecutors.

Neil McCabe, a criminal law expert at South Texas College of Law, said the surviving suspects could be charged with murder even if they didn't kill Bennett. But he said he did not know if they could be charged with capital murder because an intentional killing is required for that charge.

McCabe said prosecutors could argue that the dead suspects had intended to kill the deputies in the gunbattle, which would mean their accomplices in the break-in could be charged with capital murder.

"If a defendant sets in motion a set of causes that leads to the death, he can be charged with the death," McCabe said.

41 posted on 06/20/2002 7:47:57 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Marauder
Obviously this "writer" has never been to a gun show in Houston. Every gun I've ever bought from a booth resulted in an insta-check (aka background check). If you do a private sale with some other average Joe just walking around, it's no different than going down to your neighbor's house and buying a gun from them with cash money. Last time I checked, it was legal to do that in TX, and it was not required to register your guns here, so maybe this "writer" needs to do a little more research!
42 posted on 06/20/2002 12:09:24 PM PDT by tx4guns
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To: Mo1
Dude, what's wrong with that cat? Looks like his skin was made for a larger model.
43 posted on 06/20/2002 12:15:07 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: Humidston
Here's what I just sent the Friendly Reader Rep, and my thanks to my ever-informed FReepers for some of my data!

Miss Woods is absolutely, totally, stunningly wrong. She's so very wrong that one has trouble deciding where to start.

First, our officers have died not because Texas lacks gun laws, but because the federal government does not uphold the gun laws it already has.

Second, Texas voters have no ability - legislative, physical or otherwise - to "take these gangs' firepower away." I invite Miss Woods to investigate the fact that when the crime rate rises, anywhere in the civilized world, the rise was preceded by a decline in private gun ownership.

Third, what the BATF reports about our gun-show frequency has nothing at all to do with home invasions. I invite Miss Woods to canvass gun-show attendees; if after asking 20 people, she finds five unemployed, I will eat my hat. (As a corollary, I would note that gun buyers at shows still must produce Form 4473 at the time of purchase; ergo, there is no such thing as a no-questions-asked transaction at a show.)

Fourth, background checks at gun shows have nothing at all to do with home invasions. I invite Miss Woods (again) to visit with some inmates who have been convicted of home invasions and ask where they got their guns; if any procured one at a gun show, I will eat my boyfriend's hat.

Fifth, I question the premise that the National Education Association and the League of Cities are "good company," given their socialist proclivities.

Sixth, mandatory background checks at gun shows demonstrably do NOT have any of the effects Miss Woods claims. I invite Miss Woods to read John Lott's excellent book, "More Guns, Less Crime."

Seventh, the fact that some poll somewhere reflects Miss Woods's agenda is irrelevant. Finally, I invite Miss Woods to peruse Darrell Huff's classic "How to Lie with Statistics", and I promise that even for her, it will be an easy read.
44 posted on 06/20/2002 12:35:38 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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To: Xenalyte
Your dose of factual reality and common sense would very likely cause Miss Woods' circuits to overload.
45 posted on 06/20/2002 9:52:37 PM PDT by Marauder
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