McVeigh Lived In Ft. Lauderdale Area Same Time As Padilla!!! (According To Court Document)

CNN.Com Court Transcripts ^

[thinden]

Next we need to find out where Padilla was in April 1995.

fyi: zeroing in on padilla '93 -'95.

[Plummz]

Yes, I know. I was focusing on the history of the JD2 sketch relesed to the public. I thought it was largely based on witnesses who saw this JD2 at the Ryder place with McVeigh -- I know the fedgov claimed it is Todd Bunting who was at the Ryder place a day before McVeigh.

I guess I'm mistaken and the JD2 sketch(es) are only based on eyewitnesses at Muraah of 4/19/95?

[okie01]

"However, according to other stories Federal prosecutors identified the John Doe No. 2 as Army Pvt. Todd Bunting and eliminated him as a suspect."

So they did. Except that Bunting looked nothing like the John Doe #2 sketch...

[OKCSubmariner]

Rersponse to reply #60:

I am interested in Rodney Johnson, Padilla AND the surveillance tapeS,EVERYTHING about this case. I have been on this case for more than 7 years and posting articles on FR(35 articles) about OKC for over two years. I have written before about surveillance tapes.

I have beeh working with OKC attorney Mike Johnson (filed lawsuit against Iraq) for over 7 years on the existence of all surveillance showing John Does with McVeigh and Nichols that the FBI confiscated. Johnston has filed motions before Judge Matsch in Denver on these tapes.

Believe me there were more of these tapes than just the one in Kansas (tapes in OKC also) at the Subway snack shop that had John DOe on them. The FBI agent who confiscated the tapes in OKC was John Hippard who was involved in the FBI helping Strassmeyer leaving the country after the bombing.

This points to the FBI having an informant on the inside with McVeigh. Some of the John Does I have positively identified (by name, photos, and witnesses) were in fact FBI informants-I have written articles on FR about this.

Anyone with information on Padilla, Rodney Johnson AND surveillance tapes relating to the OKC bombing please contact me ASAP. Thanks.

[OKCSubmariner]

See replies #62 and #63.

Ricks and the FBI tried to falsely claim that JD #2 was a mistake and was TOdd Bunting who the FBI cleared. This is deliberate misdirection and word parsing and game playing by the FBI. The FBI likes to re-write history to save their butts.

The problem is that the FBI sketch artist Jean Boylan says in her book "Portraits of Guilt" that she made the JD#2 sketch for the FBI with OKC witness Debbie Naganashi who worked at the post office near the Murrah building.

[Fred Mertz]

Thanks for the interesting research, PJ!

[Plummz]

Did Naganashi describe JD2 as olive-skinned? Did she spot JD on April 19, or before then?

[PhiKapMom]

They also had on San Antonio TV that they were looking for two Middle Eastern men who had rented a vehicle at the Dallas airport to drive to OKC. But then after a few days this disappeared off the screen. Whatever happened to those folks?

[PJ-Comix]

Since my last post, I have put on my Sherlock Holmes thinking cap and took a long walk and thought about how McVeigh and Padilla could have met (if they did indeed meet). One problem, even though they both lived in the Ft. Lauderdale area in February 1993, is that they came from radically different backgrounds with little in common. At first something was made here of the Taco Bell connection due to the fact that Padilla worked at the Taco Bell in Davie (which is near Plantation where McVeigh lived). However, the scenario of McVeigh walking into Taco Bell and chatting it up with Padilla is very unlikely. Think about it. When was the last time you got into a deep conversation with a fast food worker? My own conversations with such folks are pretty much limited to "I would like a couple of chalupas," and "Thanx."

However there was something else posted earlier on this thread that aroused my attention. It was the fact that one Roger Moore claimed he met McVeigh at a gun show in Ft. Lauderdale. If so it must have been in February 1993. And that would be the Ft. Lauderdale War Memorial Auditorium Gun Show of which I am very familiar (I was there as recently as last Saturday).

If it can be shown that there was a gun show at that location that month (records must exist to show this) then we already know that McVeigh was there. Padilla was busted on a gun charge and probably still had a fascination with guns so there is a chance that he was at that gun show as well. (Perhaps there are videotapes of the gun show but I don't know if any from 1993 would still be in existence).

But now you are probably wondering how McVeigh and Padilla could get into a conversation even if they were both at this particular gun show. Easy. Remember, February 1993 was when the siege of Waco was occurring. Since this siege was initiated by the ATF "Operation Showtime" raid, Topic A of all conversations at that gun show would have been about Waco. (I was at this gun show right after 9-11 and almost everybody was talking about 9-11.)

The environment of the Ft. Lauderdale War Memorial Auditorium Gun Show is very conducive to conversations between strangers. First of all, the physical area of that gun show is (for reasons I won't get into now) about half the size of normal gun shows so folks there are running into each other all the time. From what I remembered about the gun show there after 9-11, total strangers would easily get into conversations about the terrorists. The same thing must have happened in 1993 with a lot of folks talking about the ATF raid at Waco. Since this was a topic of great interest to McVeigh, I am sure that he was loudly expounding about this at length.

Enter Padilla and he hears McVeigh talking animatedly about Waco. At this time Padilla is heavily into his Muslim (and probably terrorist-in-training) studies and spots a fellow traveler. Padilla joins in the conversation with McVeigh and, well, you can take it from there.

So if it is ever proven that McVeigh and Padilla knew each other, then the Ft. Lauderdale War Memorial Auditorium Gun Show would be their most likely initial meeting point.

[Dales]

Check this out. What was the name of Terry Nichols' former wife?

Lana Padilla

Could be a coincidence, but what a strange one.

From the article:

In the November 1994 letter, which Mrs. Padilla was instructed not to open until January, Nichols asked her to clean out a storage locker and divide his assets -- including a life insurance policy -- between their son, Josh, and his new wife and daughter in the Philippines.

Lots of terrorist organization activity in the Philippines.

[Dales]

It appears that is not her maiden name, but her name from a previous marriage to a Robert Padilla.

I wonder if Robert and Jose both come from the same family tree, perhaps as an uncle/nephew or as cousins? I see there are Padilla families that have both names in it.

[PJ-Comix]

Check this out. What was the name of Terry Nichols' former wife?

Sigh! We've been thru this BEFORE. Nichol's wife acquired her name of Padilla after she divorced him and took a new husband. "Padilla" is a common Spanish last name. So this whole bit about Nichol's wife becoming a "Padilla" means nothing.

Oh, and another PET PEEVE I have about the John Doe #2 topic is those nitpicking folks out there protesting that the John Doe #2 sketch looks a little different than Padilla.

EARTH TO NITPICKERS!!!

John Doe #2 did NOT sit down in front of the sketch artist so he could be conveniently drawn. No, the drawing was from the MEMORY of witnesses which was RELAYED to the sketch artist. Think about it. Can you give an accurate description of the last person who served you fast food to a sketch artist if need be? The fact is, I would be SHOCKED if the John Doe #2 sketch looked EXACTLY like Padilla. Something for you folks who are whining over the fact that the John Doe #2 sketch jawline looks a bit different than Padilla's to think about.

[Dales]

Hey, give me a break! I checked through all the replies here and didn't see any reference to it, after just hearing about it on the radio.

When did that information start coming out? Over the weekend? If so, I missed it. And yes, Padilla is a common name, but it is an interesting coincidence, isn't it?

[PJ-Comix]

Padilla is a VERY COMMON Spanish last name. Do you think the Smith who founded Mormonism is necessarily related to the Smith Bros. coughdrop guys?

[Dales]

Dude. Switch to decaf.

Could be a coincidence, but what a strange one.

Notice what I wrote. Notice that I did not write:

WOW! HOLY MOLY!!!! LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS A FREAKING SMOKING GUN!!!

[PJ-Comix]

FLASH!!!

CNN's Talkback Live is about to discuss the Jose Padilla/John Doe #2 connection. Flip to that show!

[Deb]

MR claims the CIA was responsible for 9/11. At no time will MR be right about anything...including the moon-landing was a hoax.

[PJ-Comix]

They just had the Wall Street Journal reporter on who just did a story pooh-poohing the John Doe #2/Jose Padilla connection. As in the article, he uses the coincidence of "Padilla" surname of Nichol's ex-wife to discount the connection. This one is easy to discount but he uses it to discount ALL speculation about Padilla and John Doe #2. This is why I would like you folks making a big deal about Nichol's ex-wife being named "Padilla" to drop this line entirely. It goes nowhere and just feeds those folks who want to discount the REAL connections.

BTW, no major media folks have yet mentioned that McVeigh and Padilla BOTH lived in Ft. Lauderdale in February 1993.