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Crusades: Truth and Black Legend
ZENIT ^ | 27 JUL 1999 | Vittorio Messori

Posted on 06/17/2002 11:53:30 AM PDT by robowombat

Crusades: Truth and Black Legend

Italian Writer Vittorio Messori Joins Debate ROME, 27 JUL 1999 (ZENIT). Debate over the nature of the Crusades has not abated in this 900th anniversary year of the first Crusade. At the end of the millennium it might well be exacerbated by lack of understanding between the West and Islam. According to Italian Catholic writer Vittorio Messori, the Enlightenment cast a "black legend" shadow on the Crusades, and used it as a weapon in its psychological war against the Roman Catholic Church. In an article in "Corriere della Sera," Italy's most important newspaper, Messori wrote, "In order to complete the work of the Reformation, it was 18th century Europe that began the chain of 'Roman infamies' that have become dogma." "In connection with the Crusades, it was anti-Catholic propaganda that invented the name, just as it invented the term Middle Ages, chosen by 'enlightened' historiography to describe the parenthesis of darkness and fanaticism between the splendors of Antiquity and the Renaissance. It goes without saying that those who attacked Jerusalem 900 years ago would have been very surprised had they been told that they were engaged in what eventually would be known as the 'first Crusade.' For them it was an itinerary, a 'pilgrimage,' a route, a passage.

Those same 'armed pilgrims' would have been even more surprised had they foreseen the accusations leveled against them of trying to convert the 'infidel,' of securing commercial routes to the West, of creating European 'colonies' in the Middle East..." Sadly, Messori said, "the dark invention of the 'Crusade' has ended by instilling a feeling of guilt in the West, including among some members of the Church, who are ignorant of what really happened." In addition, "in the East, the legend has turned against the entire West: we all pay -- and will continue to pay, the consequences of the Islamic masses' desire for revenge, of their call for vengeance against the 'Great Satan,' which, by the way, is not just the United States, but the whole of Christianity, the very one responsible for the 'Crusades.' After all, is it not Westerners themselves who insist on saying that it was a terrible, unforgivable aggression against the pious, devout and meek followers of the Koran?" "But there is a question we must ask ourselves. In the context of more than a thousand years of Christian-Islamic relations, who has been the victim and who the aggressor?" asked the journalist who interviewed the Pope in "Crossing the Threshold of Hope."

When Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem in 638, the city had been Christian for over three centuries. Soon after, the Prophet's disciples invaded and destroyed the glorious churches of Egypt, first, and then of North Africa, causing the extinction of Christianity in places that had had Bishops like St. Augustine. Later it was the turn of Spain, Sicily and Greece, and the land that would eventually become Turkey, where the communities founded by St. Paul himself were turned into ruins.

In 1453, after seven centuries of siege, Constantinople, the second Rome, capitulated and became Islamic. The Islamic threat reached the Balkans but, miraculously, the onslaught was stopped and forced to turn back at Vienna's walls.

If the Jerusalem massacre of 1099 is execrated, Mohammed II's action in Otranto [Italy] in 1480 must not be forgotten, a raw example of a bloody funeral procession of sufferings," Messori stated.

Messori concluded by asking a number of questions: "At present, what Moslem country respects the civil rights and freedom of worship of any other than their own? Who is angered by the genocide of Armenians in the past, and of Sudanese Christians at present? According to the devotees of the Koran, is the world not divided between the 'Islamic territory' and the 'war territory' -- all those areas that must be converted to Islam, whether they like it or not?" The Italian journalist provided his answers to these questions in his final remarks. "A simple review of history, along very general lines, confirms an obvious truth: Christianity is constantly on the defensive when it comes to Moslem aggression; this has been the case from the beginning until now. For example, in Africa at present there is a bloody offensive by the Moslems to convert ethnic groups that the heroic sacrifices of generations of missionaries had succeeded in baptizing. Admittedly, some in the course of history need to ask for forgiveness. But, in this instance, must it be Catholics who ask for forgiveness for actions in self-defense, and for keeping the road open for pilgrimage to Jesus' places, which was the reason for the Crusades?"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alfredomantovano; antonioprimaldo; clashofcivilizatio; constantinople; crusades; imperialists; islam; italy; jihad; kingofnaples; otranto; sultanmohammedii; turkey; waronterror

1 posted on 06/17/2002 11:53:30 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
The Italian journalist provided his answers to these questions in his final remarks. "A simple review of history, along very general lines, confirms an obvious truth: Christianity is constantly on the defensive when it comes to Moslem aggression; this has been the case from the beginning until now. For example, in Africa at present there is a bloody offensive by the Moslems to convert ethnic groups that the heroic sacrifices of generations of missionaries had succeeded in baptizing. Admittedly, some in the course of history need to ask for forgiveness. But, in this instance, must it be Catholics who ask for forgiveness for actions in self-defense, and for keeping the road open for pilgrimage to Jesus' places, which was the reason for the Crusades?"

This cannot be repeated to the relativists ENOUGH. Here's a bump for the study of TRUTHFUL, ACCURATE history. Most of what we're taught by the elitist scum in our educational institutions is lies. It's refreshing to hear an honest study of history for a change.

:) ttt

2 posted on 06/17/2002 12:12:24 PM PDT by detsaoT
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To: robowombat
Another case of historical motives coming under question. Actually, in most cases the answer is "all the above".
3 posted on 06/17/2002 12:12:52 PM PDT by harrym
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To: robowombat; *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
4 posted on 06/17/2002 12:16:54 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: robowombat
To my knowledge the Italian government is NOT sucking up to Saudi Arabia the way ours is. Perhaps Italian journalists' minds are less clouded by Saudi PR (=lies.)
5 posted on 06/17/2002 12:41:25 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: detsaoT
Please specify the "lies" taught by history teachers in contrast to the "truth" we find in this above article. Thanks. Shryke
6 posted on 06/17/2002 12:44:25 PM PDT by Shryke
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To: robowombat
Over 400 years of Jihad had preceeded the First Crusade. Ancient Christian communities were destroyed/dhmiized in Mesopotamia, the ME, North Africa, Spain, etc. The rampaging Seljuk Islamics were threatening Constantinople so the Eastern Emperor called upon the Western Church (the Pope) for help. Hence, whenever I see the lying propaganda about the poor Islamic souls I'm always thankful to see articles trying to disabuse us from the false and revisionist history about the "religion of peace". It was Christendom which was continually on the defensive. The fact that most of Eastern Christianity in just a shell of what it once was is owed the agression and Jihad of Islam.
7 posted on 06/17/2002 1:03:36 PM PDT by Lent
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To: robowombat
bump
8 posted on 06/17/2002 1:06:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Shryke
See "Lent"'s comments below for starters. The Crusades, and "Dark Ages" are an invention of revisionists (albeit, Enlightenment-era revisionists), and were almost nothing like what we hear about today.

For the most part, my statements above were an extreme exaggeration. My apologies for doing so, but the fact of the matter is that modern Historians are revisionists to degrees appropriate of Soviet government. I am happy to hear someone bringing honest truth to one of the most misunderstood issues of history.

:) ttt

9 posted on 06/17/2002 1:18:34 PM PDT by detsaoT
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To: Lent
dhmiized=dhimmized
10 posted on 06/17/2002 1:47:52 PM PDT by Lent
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To: detsaoT
Time to get out the shovels and clean out the Aegean Stables again.
11 posted on 06/17/2002 1:51:04 PM PDT by Love of Country
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To: dennisw
bttt
12 posted on 06/17/2002 5:53:45 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: robowombat
Bump for truth
13 posted on 06/17/2002 6:02:05 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: g'nad,monkeyshine, ipaq2000, Lent, veronica, Sabramerican, beowolf, Nachum, BenF, angelo, boston_
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14 posted on 06/17/2002 6:07:21 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
A breath of fresh air, but how far will it travel?
The Crusades were necessary, heroic. But who will hear this?

Alan Keyes will air the controvercial videos exposing Arafat and the brutality of Arab Islamist culture in general tonight,
but how far will it travel?

15 posted on 06/17/2002 7:58:40 PM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: dennisw
Sadly, Messori said, "the dark invention of the 'Crusade' has ended by instilling a feeling of guilt in the West, including among some members of the Church, who are ignorant of what really happened."

No guilt here! Judas Priest, it was 900 YEARS AGO you think we could move on.
One of the problems in the arab world is they are living in the past. Someone should tell them Lindbergh flew the atlantic.

16 posted on 06/17/2002 9:45:38 PM PDT by Valin
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To: robowombat
I would have far less distaste for the Crusades had they not started in Europe with the destruction of the Jewish communities in the Rhineland, communities which preceded the Franks.
17 posted on 06/17/2002 10:16:02 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
*ping
18 posted on 06/17/2002 10:59:04 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla
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To: dennisw
But, in this instance, must it be Catholics who ask for forgiveness for actions in self-defense, and for keeping the road open for pilgrimage to Jesus' places, which was the reason for the Crusades?"

Christians are specificaly told to live a humble life, but that even the humblest of lives needs to be defended with tooth and nails from ravenous consumers. The muslims are exactly that, ravenous consumers.

19 posted on 06/18/2002 1:42:59 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: gg188
Ping
20 posted on 06/18/2002 1:44:11 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Taiwan Bocks
Alan Keyes will air the controvercial videos exposing Arafat and the brutality of Arab Islamist culture in general tonight,
but how far will it travel?


 He aired the videos but not at length. The best video was from PA television of two different mullahs stridently preaching for Jews to be killed. And I do mean rabble rousing strident a la Adolph Hitler and done so in a loud voice..... Such vile anti Semitism gets passed over since people don't get Islamic culture and allow these barbaric 3rd worlders excuses and explanations.

21 posted on 06/18/2002 2:58:51 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: All
you can also go here
http://www.minnesotansagainstterrorism.org/care.htm
Note: you'll need real media player.
22 posted on 06/18/2002 6:48:38 AM PDT by Valin
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